January Wrasslin |OT| Every Mark For Himself

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He's still so-so on the mic. I don't think they make him a big event until he turns face and gets away from Kris Jenner, but I do think WWE is putting a lot of money on him and Cody.
Ziggler is the most consistent (Punk is the best when he's good and the worst when he's bad) on the stick at the moment. I kind of preferred his super fast rapid fire taunts, but his pace on Monday seemed to be dead on for the crowd.

Also, why on Earth would you ever want Ziggler to turn face? He does need to break out on his own, but turning him is just a hilariously bad idea.
Real talk here, I know it isn't many, and krae_man might have had a list in another month's thread but here goes....

1) Who is going to Wrestlemania?
2) When are you coming into Miami?
3) What would be the best time to get together for a Gaf meet up?
I know Krae_Man posted the list, but yeah I'm going with two others. So a specific GAF meet-up may not work for me, but I'm sure many of us will be going to the same events.
Is there some way we can do a multi-person PM conversation to organize or maybe a thread in Community or something?
I think it'll be Orton vs. Henry (can Orton fianlly beat him???? and HOW!?!?)

I hope for Bryan vs. Christian
Yeah, there are just so many guys on SD! right now that could be potential contenders come Wrestlemania that I figure they may as well put them all in the same match so that at least that title match gets decent time.
So, all this Mick Foley talk inspired me to confess a HUGE secret, that will shake the very landscape of WrassleGAF..

Mick Foley is a human punching bag who worked that fact into a couple very good wrestling characters.

He also has a good knowledge of how to work a crowd and cut a promo. He's by no means a technician but makes up for it in so many ways.

Personally I really don't care for The Rock as a pro wrestler, though I love him as an actor and in appearances away from wrestling.
Does that make me weird?
 
I know Krae_Man posted the list, but yeah I'm going with two others. So a specific GAF meet-up may not work for me, but I'm sure many of us will be going to the same events.
Is there some way we can do a multi-person PM conversation to organize or maybe a thread in Community or something?

If enough people are going to Dragon Gate USA Friday night, I think that show would be our best shot at meeting up.
 
Face Ziggler could be the worst thing ever.

I find that heels that are over are much more interesting than faces who the crowd cheer for because they're supposed to.
 
If enough people are going to Dragon Gate USA Friday night, I think that show would be our best shot at meeting up.
Doesn't that run at the same time as ROH? Not that I'm particularly invested in one over the other, just seems like a busy time for a meet up.

One thing that is a near-guarantee is that we'll be in a bar around lunch time on Sunday somewhere near the arena. Could be good fun with a lot of people.
Face Ziggler could be the worst thing ever.

I find that heels that are over are much more interesting than faces who the crowd cheer for because they're supposed to.
I hope that when the crowd gets wise to how amazing Ziggler is they start booing louder for him.
He's just so perfect as a heel
 
Doesn't that run at the same time as ROH? Not that I'm particularly invested in one over the other, just seems like a busy time for a meet up.

One thing that is a near-guarantee is that we'll be in a bar around lunch time on Sunday somewhere near the arena. Could be good fun with a lot of people.

I hope that when the crowd gets wise to how amazing Ziggler is they start booing louder for him.
He's just so perfect as a heel

The problem is he hides behind Vickie for a reaction.

He needs too dump Vickie, get mic time and bam, the crowd will take notice. I don't even know why Vickie is there. The "girlfriend" storyline was done a long time ago!

I think what Vince should do is have Vickie throw Ziggler away after he loses to Punk at RR, choosing Swagger instead since he is the US champ, but god damn does Swagger suck a lot. That dude is never going to make it.
 
Doesn't that run at the same time as ROH? Not that I'm particularly invested in one over the other, just seems like a busy time for a meet up.

One thing that is a near-guarantee is that we'll be in a bar around lunch time on Sunday somewhere near the arena. Could be good fun with a lot of people.

It runs at the same time as ROH, yes. This is why I said if enough people go to DGUSA on Friday. Also, around lunch time Sunday I'll be at Wrestlereunion meeting the likes of Vader, Animal, Lex Luger and D-Lo Brown. That will take up my day at least till 3pm.
 
He can get a reaction without Vickie. His disses on the mic can work really well, but that's if WWE even lets him.

No he can't. When he enters the arena, nobody cheers or boos him. That means he has no reaction. If the crowd booed or cheered him loudly enough so we could hear it over his crappy entrance music then that would be good, but it doesn't happen.

Dump Vickie, get mic time, gain momentum, bam, you're over.
 
No he can't. When he enters the arena, nobody cheers or boos him. That means he has no reaction. If the crowd booed or cheered him loudly enough so we could hear it over his crappy entrance music then that would be good, but it doesn't happen.

Dump Vickie, get mic time, gain momentum, bam, you're over.
I still hate they dropped "I Am Perfection", ugh.

But I think he is surely capable of doing it on his own. Drop her, let him work several weeks getting wins, and having the best matches (which he usually does), he's going to be fine. He doesn't need an extreme amount of heat in the sense of Vickie or, in Smackdown's case, Daniel Bryan. The angle isn't there for him to get it. Another good thing about him is he doesn't try the cheap heat shit Michael Cole and Miz try all the time.
 
We need quarters!

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I still hate they dropped "I Am Perfection", ugh.

But I think he is surely capable of doing it on his own. Drop her, let him work several weeks getting wins, and having the best matches (which he usually does), he's going to be fine. He doesn't need an extreme amount of heat in the sense of Vickie or, in Smackdown's case, Daniel Bryan. The angle isn't there for him to get it. Another good thing about him is he doesn't try the cheap heat shit Michael Cole and Miz try all the time.

Dude has so much talent he could definitely get over by himself. I really feel that Vickie is his handicap (despite the fact that she is the most over heel along with cole).

He has great matches, and proved that he can be great on the mic too.

After WM28 is over, I think he should be given a push against Cena/Punk/Jericho.
 
It runs at the same time as ROH, yes. This is why I said if enough people go to DGUSA on Friday. Also, around lunch time Sunday I'll be at Wrestlereunion meeting the likes of Vader, Animal, Lex Luger and D-Lo Brown. That will take up my day at least till 3pm.

I was a huge D'Lo fan until I meet him in person during the Attitude Era. Man treated me like crap, but maybe because he was a heel.
 
I was a huge D'Lo fan until I meet him in person during the Attitude Era. Man treated me like crap, but maybe because he was a heel.

I'm mostly psyched for meeting Vader. He was one half of the main event for the first wrestling show I ever attended vs Flair. It was Superbrawl IV. I really wish they released that one on VHS, for some reason they didn't.
 
If anything, leave Vickie with Swagger. He's the one that needs the mouthpiece, not Ziggler.

Do you know who could really benefit from Vickie? Tyson Kidd. Great wrestler but badly, badly needs a mouthpiece. He's still supposed to be a heel, right? Haven't watched Superstars in forever.
 
Do you know who could really benefit from Vickie? Tyson Kidd. Great wrestler but badly, badly needs a mouthpiece. He's still supposed to be a heel, right? Haven't watched Superstars in forever.

I'm telling you Vickie should run a stable. Put Tyson with another person and boom... Tag Champions.

New Four Horsemen.
 
Do you know who could really benefit from Vickie? Tyson Kidd. Great wrestler but badly, badly needs a mouthpiece. He's still supposed to be a heel, right? Haven't watched Superstars in forever.
I can definitely get behind this.

I'm telling you Vickie should run a stable. Put Tyson with another person and boom... Tag Champions.

New Four Horsemen.
I initially thought she was going to run a stable of guys when she first started coaching Swagger and Ziggler together, but she ended up not doing that. I wouldn't complain if she did, her onscreen persona is amazing.
 
re: Ziggler/Vicki

No, Ziggler doesn't 'need' Vicki, but they're so good together. Ziggler is, excuse the rap reference, a hot verse over a bangin' beat, and Vicki is the hook. Apart both are still enjoyable, but together, you have something amazing. And as good as Ziggler is on the mic and in the ring, he can't draw the heat that Vicki can draw saying just two words, yet. He'll get there, and I do think that Vicki being there is hindering it happening sooner, but he can't just drop Vicki, they have to work out a way for him to do it without coming off as a face, or without garnering sympathy from the crowd.

I kid, I kid. I would never ignore you, I rise above this hate.

I was hoping you'd embrace the hate "/
 
I initially thought she was going to run a stable of guys when she first started coaching Swagger and Ziggler together, but she ended up not doing that. I wouldn't complain if she did, her onscreen persona is amazing.

I really do think that her persona is great. I have to give props to the WWE for doing an extreme makeover for her.
 
re: Ziggler/Vicki

No, Ziggler doesn't 'need' Vicki, but they're so good together. Ziggler is, excuse the rap reference, a hot verse over a bangin' beat, and Vicki is the hook. Apart both are still enjoyable, but together, you have something amazing. And as good as Ziggler is on the mic and in the ring, he can't draw the heat that Vicki can draw saying just two words, yet. He'll get there, and I do think that Vicki being there is hindering it happening sooner, but he can't just drop Vicki, they have to work out a way for him to do it without coming off as a face, or without garnering sympathy from the crowd.

I was hoping you'd embrace the hate "/
Wow. That's actually ... the best way to ever put the Ziggler/Vicki relationship.


I really do think that her persona is great. I have to give props to the WWE for doing an extreme makeover for her.
Oh, definitely. It's amazing how much she's changed physically.
 
I don't know why people are dying to get Dolph away from Vickie. They're great together, and it's not like she's still his mouthpiece. Dolph's his own man now, but that doesn't mean they have to be split up just because. They shouldn't split for at least another year and the only acceptable split would be because Vickie starts trying to become the "face" of the duo again by speaking over Ziggles, and attempting to interfere in matches only to get Dolph DQ'd a few times. Ziggler ends the partnership, Vickie moves on to a new client.
 
I don't know why people are dying to get Dolph away from Vickie. They're great together, and it's not like she's still his mouthpiece. Dolph's his own man now, but that doesn't mean they have to be split up just because. They shouldn't split for at least another year and the only acceptable split would be because Vickie starts trying to become the "face" of the duo again by speaking over Ziggles, and attempting to interfere in matches only to get Dolph DQ'd a few times. Ziggler ends the partnership, Vickie moves on to a new client.

Sound like the Tully Blanchard vs Ric Flair feud. Which I have to say was one of the best NWA feuds ever. I'm not a huge Flair fan when he's a face, but it was amazing. TUlly was just like Flair but with a cheaper rope.
 
I just confirmed my worst fear.....

List of WCW PPVs never released on VHS:

Superbrawl 1994
Souled Out 1997, 1998
Superbrawl Revenge 2001
Spring Stampede 1998
Great American Bash 1998
Road Wild 1997
Fall Brawl 1997
Halloween Havoc 2000
Mayhem 2000
Starrcade 2000
Sin 2001
Greed 2001

:(

Now what do I get Vader to sign?
 
I just confirmed my worst fear.....

List of WCW PPVs never released on VHS:

Superbrawl 1994
Souled Out 1997, 1998
Superbrawl Revenge 2001
Spring Stampede 1998
Great American Bash 1998
Road Wild 1997
Fall Brawl 1997
Halloween Havoc 2000
Mayhem 2000
Starrcade 2000
Sin 2001
Greed 2001

:(

Now what do I get Vader to sign?

How about Superbrawl the video game? That was released in 94.
 
Jan 18 Bryan & Vinny Show

The Bryan & Vinny Show returns tonight from the scene of the biggest snowstorm to hit Seattle since 1985. Or something like that. But we shall not be deterred! Full reports of Raw and Smackdown, thoughts on the best and worst segments on each show, some future predictions, plus everything you ever wanted to know about how horrible the weather is in Seattle this time of year. It actually is a fun show, so check it out~!

I'm DYING at how Vinny blurted out "He IS creamy" in the middle of Alvarez's speech about Daniel Bryan and how "The cream rises to the top." Too good.
 
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