January Wrasslin |OT| Every Mark For Himself
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Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
still kinda soul crushing seeing Winter do her pose on top of the ramp to some generic guitar shit
It's been consistently solid the past few weeks. I've definitely been liking it more than WWE's product for awhile now.
Roode's new theme is godly. Reminds me of Type O Negative at times. So great.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
This guy is in the main feud of the company.
yikes
lessthananth725
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This guy is in the main feud of the company.
yikes
Is it me or does Kane look like Will Farrell there?
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
don't let him know you said that or he will plug in red light bulbs around your house, stalk you, then attempt to take you to his satanic rape den under the ring.
bean breath
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LOL, That Marty Jannetty message...
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA
spindashing
Banned
Relax, that's Kane. Not Heidenreich.
Pristine_Condition
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I think it totally sucks.
Bret Hart is entirely overrated in just about every way conceivable. Putting him over Austin, Misawa, Michaels, Kawada, Liger, and Kobashi is a straight-up CRIME.
Just look at a BREAKDOWN OF THE WRESTLING OBSERVER AWARS OF THE 1990'S:
NOTE: I didn't use "Biggest Draw" because either it wasn't awarded every year in the 90's or Wikipedia is spotty on it, either way, I'm comfortable with it, because Bret Hart really wasn't much of a draw except in Canada, and nobody in their right mind would make a case he could outdraw any of the elite on this list.
Lou Thesz/Ric Flair Award (Wrestler of the Year) Awards:
Flair: 2 (1990, 1992)
Kawada: 1 (1994)
Misawa: 3 (1995, 1997, 1999)
Kobashi: 1 (1996)
Austin: 1 (1998)
Most Outstanding Wrestler Awards:
Liger: 3 (1990, 1991, 1992)
Kobashi: 2 (1993, 1994)
Mysterio: 1 (1996)
Misawa: 2 (1997, 1999)
Best Technical Wrestler Awards:
Liger: 3 (1990, 1991, 1992)
Benoit: 2 (1994, 1995)
Best on Interviews Awards
Flair: 3 (1991, 1992, 1994)
Foley: (1995)
Austin: 3 (1996-1998)
Rock: 1 (1999)
Bruiser Brody Memorial Awards (Best Brawler):
Foley: 9! (every year except 1990)
Best Flying Wrestler Awards:
Liger: 4 (1990-1993)
Mysterio: 3 (1995-1997)
Tag Team of the Year Awards:
Misawa: 4 (1991, 1995-1997)
Kawada: 1 (1991)
Austin: 1 (1993)
Guerrero: 1 (1994)
Kobashi: 2 (1995, 1999)
Most Charismatic Awards:
Flair: 1 (1993)
Michaels: 2 (1995-96)
Austin: 2 (1997-1998)
Rock: 1 (1999)
Match of the Year Awards:
Liger: 1 (1990)
Kobashi: 3 (1992, 1998, 1999)
Michaels: 1 (1994)
Misawa: 3 (1996, 1998, 1999)
Austin: 1 (1997)
Hart: 1 (1997)
Feud of the Year:
Misawa: 2 (1990, 1991)
Hart: 2 (1993, 1997 w/Hart Foundation)
Guerrero: 2 (1994, 1995)
Austin: 3 (1997-1999)
Most Underrated:
Benoit: 1 (1998)
Rookie of the Year Awards:
Austin: 1 (1990)
Most Improved Award:
Kobashi: 1 (1990)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wrestling_Observer_Newsletter_awards
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By my count, just by major Observer Awards, that's:
Misawa: 13
Austin: 12
Liger: 11
Foley: 10
Kobashi: 9
Flair: 6
Mysterio: 4
Michaels: 3
Benoit: 3
Guerrero: 3
Hart: 3
Rock: 2
Kawada: 2
Now, certainly that list doesn't tell the whole tale, but it isn't discountable either.
I agree whole-heartedly with Misawa and Austin and Liger on top. By every metric, including butts in seats, Misawa and Austin were the hottest guys in the world in the 90s. Liger may not have drawn as much, but he was so technically superior in many years that a #3 ranking isn't unheard of to me.
Foley is clearly overrated because of the nine "best brawler" awards in a row, but by how much? Brawling/hardcore was a huge deal in the 90's, and Foley was at the top of the heap everywhere he went, from WCW, to ECW, to Japan, to the WWF. And he was good on the mic too. He does actually belong somewhere in the mix, just not that high.
Michaels to me is a little underrated here, because he was the main guy and was putting out good matches.
I was SHOCKED at how low Kawada ends up here, because to me there are only two real contenders for "Feud of the Decade, 1990's" for me, Misawa/Kawada and Austin/McMahon, and we all know which one had better wrestling. But the more I think about it, the more I know Kawada really doesn't belong up there this those top 3 guys at all.
In the end, I think the exercise of looking all this stuff up was a good one. It shows one thing with crystal clarity...If Bret Hart really was that good in the 90's, nobody actually living in the 90's seemed to notice at the time.
In the end, I think it comes down to a distorted vision of the past, and too many viewings of "Wrestling with Shadows," for some people, perhaps. Bret Hart was never the best there was--not in the 90's...and really not at any time.
Pristine_Condition
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I could not agree more.
I used to love Low-Ki back in JAPW. Problem is, he hasn't made any progress since then, and he's a bigger asshat backstage than ever, from what I hear.
Well it was fan voting. While I'm a fan of Hart, I can't put him above the big 3 in AJPW in terms of wrestling nor can put him above Austin/Rock when it comes to impact.
Pristine_Condition
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When was this?:
As if it wasn't bad enough before, ever since the awesome Sara Del Ray v. Jessica James match, (probably my Women's MOTY, honestly) everybody wants to see how many ways they can fold poor, sweet Jessica up.
As if it wasn't bad enough before, ever since the awesome Sara Del Ray v. Jessica James match, (probably my Women's MOTY, honestly) everybody wants to see how many ways they can fold poor, sweet Jessica up.
Professor Beef
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Does anyone still have that Raven "what a mark" gif? Can you link it please, if so?
spindashing
Banned
My hate for Serena burns deep.
Looks like Vickie's laugh is a family trait
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3a0BcGu34&feature=player_embedded#t=98s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3a0BcGu34&feature=player_embedded#t=98s
Liquidsnake
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I dont even know why I bother with impact, tonight's show was abysmal. I think I only watch it for Eric Young. God that company has gone down the shitter
MightyHealthy
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I must preface this by saying that I never watched the Japanese wrestling promotions in the 90's...but at least in terms of North American wrestling, Bret was one of the best, no doubt about it.
Bret was a hell of a worker...his feuds: Perfect, Lawler, Owen, Michaels, Austin, hell..even the one with Backlund was entertaining.
He was the top guy in the WWF for quite some time, and for good reason.
Pristine_Condition
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I suppose you hate Death Ray too...
:'( for little Jessica...
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As I was making that .gif, I noticed Bryce's AWESOME selling in the background! LOL. I'm going to have to go back and make a .gif of that too.
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You know, being able to have a good feud with Mr. Perfect, Jerry Lawler, Owen Hart, Sean Michaels and Stone Cold is pretty fucking easy. It isn't exactly proof that you are one of the greatest in a decade.
In fact, If you can't have a great feud with any of those guys it just proves you totally suck worse than just about anybody. Those guys + brooms = molten hot feuds.
I'm not saying Bret was horrible. Just not even close to Number One in the 1990's. He wasn't a Top Five worker. Top Ten? Sure...why not?
And saying you never watched any Japanese wrestling in the 90's is basically like saying you don't know what the Attitude Era is. It's essential to any opinion about the 90's. It's like saying "so what was that whole Nirvana record thing about anyway?"
Hate for my waifu gets hate from me
Pristine_Condition
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I have a feeling I'll be getting a lot of uses out of this .gif...
Pristine_Condition
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You could send all your Shimmer shows to me, (I need to replace what I lost in the fire) and I'll make .gifs for you...
For a real answer...
I have a Mac so...I get my clips, trim them quickly in Quicktime w/ Perian, send them to iMovie if I need some editing or animated titles (iMovie is perfect for quick .gifs) then finish them up in Adobe ImageReady.
With the two above, I just did them in Quicktime and ImageReady
I have a Mac so...I get my clips, trim them quickly in Quicktime w/ Perian, send them to iMovie if I need some editing or animated titles (iMovie is perfect for quick .gifs) then finish them up in Adobe ImageReady.
With the two above, I just did them in Quicktime and ImageReady
MightyHealthy
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That literally makes no sense, at all.
Look, you're older than me, I get it. I just don't see why me at 13 years old is supposed to have this magical reach (and understanding of a foreign language) to watch Japanese wrestling to have an opinion on why you're totally off the mark.
Bret was one of the main folks to carry the WWF after its main draw left the business due to steroid accusations. There is a reason people voted him that high almost 20 years after his peak.
Don't pull that elitist nonsense on me, you said that he never was the best at any point, and that is an absolute falsehood.
I see where you're going with this, and I don't want any part of it. I tried to make this a discussion, you're just trying to be condescending and ignorant. Enjoy.
Pristine_Condition
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That argument makes no sense. You are 13 years old?
The "magical reach" it takes for a 13 year old to become knowledgable about 90's Japanese Wrestling is almost exactly the same as the "magical reach" it would take to become knowledgable about 90s Bret Hart.
Since you have nothing to base your opinions on but tapes or YouTube, you could just as easily have picked up tapes or watched YouTube matches of Japan in the 90s as you watch Bret's stuff. Instead of going out and doing that though, you reply to my post with basically just "I don't know any of those Japanese guys, (who happen to be legends) but you are wrong anyway."
And you don't need to speak a word of Japanese to understand every single second of a great Puroresu match. All you need to understand is athleticism, and heart, and determination, and pain.
The referee in Japanese matches even does all his counts in English. And most of the moves are English words just with a Japanese pronunciation. "Power Bomb" becomes something like "Powabomba," and a "Lariat" (clothesline) becomes "Lariatooooo!" for example. "Pro Wrestling" is "Puroresu."
Carry it to what? Second place to Nitro?
Being wrong, or being Canadian? Because that's all I can think of...
Well, there simply never ever was a time in the 90s when Bret Hart was better than Misawa, Liger, Austin, and Kobashi. There may have been a year or two in the early-mid 90s when he was better than one or even two of those guys, but never on top of all of them. And by the late 90's, forget about it. That's when Austin, Rock, Benoit, Jericho and Guerrero were all ON FIRE, and Misawa was still steamrolling too.
So no...he never was the best. And sadly, his chances to be the best were permanently snuffed when Goldberg tried to kick his face off.
I wasn't trying to be condescending. I was just saying that if you have zero knowledge of Japanese wrestling in the 90s, that's the wrestling equivalent of saying you have no knowledge of Nirvana's "Nevermind" album in the 90's.
It's not condescending. It's true. Wrestling was at an extremely high level in Japan in the 90s. Not knowing about it, you are really missing out on some of the greatest wrestling ever...that's all I'm trying to say. If you are a wrestling fan discussing this period in time, it is absolutely essential to be familiar with it.
You got all offended and took it as an insult. It wasn't meant as such. It was meant as an encouragement to go out and find some of the best wrestling you'll ever see.
Damn, I can't imagine going without seeing Misawa v. Kawada's series all the way up until the 1999 match. That'd be sad.
And accusing me of being ignorant? How's that?
So Evolve is so desperate for "name" talent that they're employing unsafe workers?
Yeah, his acting's rather good.
Cartwheel kick, technically. There's only one instance I know where it's even rocked someone in the MMA universe, never mind knocking someone out cold. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's a work. It's clearly a work - viewed in context especially. It's a work designed to get Low Ki over as a badass and, plainly, it's working. Ahtu arrogantly pointing to his chin, the referee acting all panicky and unsure of himself afterwards, the fat manager fanning Ahtu with his shirt to get him to wake up. Low Ki's a good wrestler; he can jump on someone's chest without injuring them, he can kick them hard in the face without leaving a bruise - he's not accidentally knocking people out with freaking cartwheel kicks.
Also, in the one in a million chance that a fourteen year veteran suddenly became the sloppiest wrestler on the planet, in an instance that just so happened to fit the story Evolve are trying to tell perfectly, I can't believe the hypocrisy. Everybody talks about how "unsafe" Alicia Fox is because she gave Beth Phoenix a black eye and then Low Ki goes and knocks someone out cold and we're all high fiving and saying what a badass he is.
I support this notion.
British Monsoon
Member
Work or not, that kick impacted right on Ahtu's temple and this wouldn't be the first time Low Ki has KO'd someone by mistake (Prince Nana at the 4th ever ROH show 'Road to the Title', Dan Maff a year later at 'Bitter Friends, Stiffer Enemies' for instance).
Also, as we're talking/arguing about 90's puroresu - everyone who hasn't should watch Steve Williams vs Kenta Kobashi;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AsjhRd9JHU
Also, as we're talking/arguing about 90's puroresu - everyone who hasn't should watch Steve Williams vs Kenta Kobashi;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AsjhRd9JHU
BillRiccio
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Jan 19 - Observer Radio
Wrestling Observer Radio with Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer returns tonight to talk all the news in wrestling and MMA including thoughts on the Raw and UFC ratings from the past few days, a look at the Fridays Melvin Guillard vs. Jim Miller show, Smackdown spoilers from this Friday night, an update on UFC drug testing, plus time for many questions on a wide variety of subjects. A fun show as always so check it out!
Wrestling Observer Radio with Bryan Alvarez and Dave Meltzer returns tonight to talk all the news in wrestling and MMA including thoughts on the Raw and UFC ratings from the past few days, a look at the Fridays Melvin Guillard vs. Jim Miller show, Smackdown spoilers from this Friday night, an update on UFC drug testing, plus time for many questions on a wide variety of subjects. A fun show as always so check it out!
Needs Vader to be complete.
Carnby
Member
I'm on your side.
British Monsoon
Member
MightyHealthy said:
I guess he said he was 'The best there is, the best there was and the best there ever will be' enough times that it actually rubbed off on some people.
Pristine_Condition
Member
Soooo good, I don't even have to watch it to know this is the one with the
three backdrop drivers at the end
The first one you are like "Wow, he's paralyzed for life."
The second one you are like "Oh, that terrible man is just trying to murder that Japanese kid now..........yep, he's dead."
Third one you are like "Just stay down kid!!! Just STAY DOWN!!!"
The first one you are like "Wow, he's paralyzed for life."
The second one you are like "Oh, that terrible man is just trying to murder that Japanese kid now..........yep, he's dead."
Third one you are like "Just stay down kid!!! Just STAY DOWN!!!"
Great slow build to an emotional sprint at the end.
I suppose you hate Death Ray too...
:'( for little Jessica...
Got dang son. Death Ray is my waifu.
Chauncy Talon
Member
How can you hate Serena? She is built right. WWE made her seem like a loony.
Ziggler will still be in the Fatal 4 Way though!
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
They need to ditch Money in the Bank and make it a part of WM again.
Thanks again.
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