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US PoliGAF 2012 | The Romney VeepStakes: Waiting for Chris Christie to Sing
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Byakuya769
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It's going to be fierce. Santorum is going to go all out. Newt and Mitt will be vying for Florida. Ron Paul, well he's Ron Paul.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Romney winning Ohio? Unlikely. As I've said, FL, possibly, since the state is, well, to put it bluntly: effed up.
Romney has no shot at Michigan. Absolutely no shot.
gutter_trash
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yeah, I guess.
I think the biggest anomaly of 2008 was Indiana, I think it would be the first to return to GOP hands
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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That definitely is one way to put it.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
If Romney can take Michigan, Ohio, and Florida, that would be pretty damn incredible.
PhoenixDark
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Will Romney be campaigning with Synder, Kasich, and Scott in their respected states? Should be interesting.
I agree about Michigan, Romney's argument ultimately fails. I think in general the Romney plan has been to separate Detroit from the rest of the state and note the corruption, disruption, and general childish politics that go on there; in many ways that environment makes me shake my head not only as a Michigan resident, but as a black person given the perpetual race cards/dog whistles displayed by Detroit politicians. But I think most people in Michigan realize letting Detroit go bankrupt would let the state go bankrupt. If the auto industry had collapsed the entire state would have been in depression mode; not just due to direct auto jobs, but all the jobs connected to it, from local parts makers to restaurants. Even Snyder argues the auto bailout worked, which just shows how far off Romney's views are.
Joe Shlabotnik
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MI this year is a state where if Obama is losing it or it's close then he's almost certainly losing a shitload of other states he'd need. I don't think it's really in "play", because if it is then the election itself probably isn't.
The Librarian
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Okay. One, there's a difference between lying and being wrong.
Secondly, here's what's found in the article Ghaleon linked to:
And I've swear I've seen articles saying the same thing. At best, here's what I've got: Scott sent a public letter to Warren to condemn the ads that were running against him and for her. Warren responded, saying if you want to call them off, then let's do so. Here's the relevant article. Then both came together. I had previously forgotten about the letter Scott sent to her in the first place, so I must admit that I was wrong in saying that Scott was only doing this because Warren asked him too. So, full credit to both parties involved.
Not necessarily, Crossroads has been running attack ads against Warren for a while.
Mitt Romney wrote an editorial called "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" he is not winning Michigan.
NH gets further and further to the left every year, it will almost definitely go to Obama in the general.
Romney has already nuked himself in Michigan.
In Ohio he's going to be combating a union ground movement taht Kasich stirred up over a year ago. How do you think middle of the road voters will feel when their fire fighters, police officers, teachers, etc. who obviously sold them on the ills of Kasich taking away their collective bargaining rights will respond when those same trusted neighbors show up and say "Romney and the GOP will try that on a national level"?
The GOP overplayed their hand in Ohio and Wisconsin when attacking collective bargaining rights of state employees. They've poisoned the well and will need a massive amount of money and in-state campaigning to turn those states back. Romney wasn't going to be able to out do Obama on either even before his grip on the primary started to slip away, now he's going to be even further back.
An economic dip or a major White House scandal is the only path to success open to the GOP right now. Their biggest concern should be to keep their congresspeople from getting swept out of office.
PhoenixDark
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If Romney finds himself up in Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, etc chances are the economy is not improving and democrats are heading for a massive defeat. That's really the only way I could see Romney winning those blue states. I guess Ohio is more of a toss up than Wisconsin for instance, but they built up quite an impressive political machine last year that will certainly be taken over by Obama's people.
I doubt blue collar workers are big Obama fans, but I think ultimately they'll trust and believe him more than Romney. Which is why I really think someone like Christie could have crushed Obama this year. Those white workers aren't liberals, they're center right oftentimes and fall for the Reagans and W Bushes.
I doubt blue collar workers are big Obama fans, but I think ultimately they'll trust and believe him more than Romney. Which is why I really think someone like Christie could have crushed Obama this year. Those white workers aren't liberals, they're center right oftentimes and fall for the Reagans and W Bushes.
mckmas8808
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What does this mean?
Problem for Romney is that the economy already is improving.
Despite the issues in Europe the markets are slowly gaining ground. It might be a two steps forward, one step back type of gain but its still improvement.
Jobs numbers are getting better every month, down to 8.5% now. If Obama gets close to 8.0% he's winning re-election. If he gets it down below 8.0% he's winning re-election in a landslide. Meanwhile the GOP is trying to sell the high unemployment being a damning indictment of the POTUS while also claiming we need to take away unemployment benefits. Not exactly a winning argument.
The Librarian
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The Librarian
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Anybody who takes the ludicrous stance of Republicans = bad and Democrats = good needs to have a long hard reflection about it. This latest example is SOPA/PIPA. It was mainly Republicans backing away from them! Kudos.
Captain Tuttle
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CF_Fighter
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Lots of trucks and security here at USF in Tampa as they prep for tonight's GOP debate. Somebody in a club I'm a member of got their burrito wrapper signed by Ron Paul in our student center's food court earlier today. Sadly I have class during the time right before the debate so I can't try and see any of the candidates if they walk around the campus. I'm not voting for any of them in the general election, but as a future social sciences teacher and a lover of politics in general it is very cool seeing how large of an undertaking these national debates are for wherever they are hosted.
gonna be fun to watch tonight. Romney is going to try to go hard at Newt obviously. Problem for Romney is the attacks he will make are going to be so obvious, and Newt is clearly going to be prepped to soundbyte the fuck out of his responses. I can't wait to hear what outrageously aggressive but clearly factually inaccurate comment he makes in order to grab headlines the next day. Gonna be fun to see Romney scramble.
PhoenixDark
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True, I was just pointing out the only way Romney wins those states is if things are going bad.
The economy is improving as our Obama's numbers, but there are too many potential landmines out there to celebrate. From the Eurozone to gas prices this summer to more congressional brinksmanship, we aren't out of the woods yet.
cartoon_soldier
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My Prediction:
After tonight's debate Romney will be back in lead in Florida.
After tonight's debate Romney will be back in lead in Florida.
since Romney has not won a single debate to date, i doubt he'll break the trend.
Suikoguy
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Interesting prediction, I don't think it will happen, but it's certainly possible, even if Newt does fantastic, nothing makes any logical sense this primary.
Invisible_Insane
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AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Bold prediction. What would lead you to believe that?
The only hope he has is if Paul and Santorum go HARD at Newt and Newt somehow gets flustered. The audience has gone full-retard for Newt at nearly every debate in the past month, though, so who knows if even that will work. Romney out of the spotlight might be just what he needs. He is best out of the fracas and opposing only Obama.
cartoon_soldier
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Newt as a frunt runner is a lot more vulnerable, he does better as the underdog.
We won't have to wait lot for my prediction to be put to test!
Byakuya769
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In Tampa, USF gets a carnival of stupid debate, my alma mater gets a healthcare speech by President Obama. Just saying.
One of my co-workers (who is a mormon) is convinced that the reason why Mitt Romney has delayed so long in releasing his tax returns is that supposedly his tithing amount is way less than what it is supposed to be by church standards and he doesn't want to get caught red-handed with it.
I asked her where she got that idea from, and she basically said it's what 'everyone is saying' at her church.
I almost feel bad for Mitt sometimes.
I asked her where she got that idea from, and she basically said it's what 'everyone is saying' at her church.
I almost feel bad for Mitt sometimes.
Not a chance.
Invisible_Insane
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Given the degree to which Gingrich's strength seems tied to the debates, I think it's possible that he might have performed better in Iowa if there has been a debate within two weeks of the election. There's another debate on Thursday, but after that, there will be no debates for nearly a month. I think that will be the true test of Gingrich's campaign; personally, I expect his support to recede between this debate and the next debate in Arizona.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
There is no "supposed to be" Members are expected to pay a tithe, but if they don't, nothing happens outside of not honestly being eligible for a temple recommend. I haven't seen Mitt entering into temples and frankly, if he hasn't paid a tithe, that isn't any of my business. Not all members declare their tithes, either. In fact, I would estimate it would be a heavy amount that don't, as they arent trying to donate tithes to lower their taxes.
Something Wicked
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While it was around a month ago, I remember seeing a poll, in which Obama had the lowest approval rating in NH compared to the rest of the listed swing states.
I H8 Memes
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I wonder what his total net worth is. With all of the investments and stuff probably going on in the Caymans it would be hard to tell I guess. No doubt he isnt giving 10% of all that money though.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
you don't tithe off of net worth, it is income. How you define income, however, is another beast. I think anyone who gets a dividend and doesn't pay tithing off of it, but does off of a paycheck, is being disingenuous with themselves. Others might see it differently, though.
GrotesqueBeauty
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As I've watched the GOP debates I've sensed uncomfortable echoes of Palin's infamous hate filled rallies. The boos and howls when Ron Paul mentions the golden rule, or when a moderator merely mentions Mexico at the start of a question reinforces my fears about discourse on the right end of the political spectrum in this country. It's hard to even be surprised by that campaign manager's mutilated cat given the general tenor of the audience even at highly publicized official events. There's something really ugly about the tone things are taking.
Invisible_Insane
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This argument for taxing capital gains like regular income brought to you by AlteredBeast.
jamesinclair
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This is great, made me want to vote for newt.
Of course, you could make the same video for newt and make me want to vote for dog shit.
Romney and Newt must hate each other. I wouldnt put it past one of them to run on a 3rd party platform just to make sure the other one doesnt win.
RE: Florida polls. Its useless right now. Romney knows shit is real, if he has a bomb to drop on newt, it will drop tonight. Lets look at polls in 2 days.
Its also Santorums last stand. Yes, theres another debate on January 26, 2012, but tonight is on national TV, the next one is just CNN.
If someone surges, it will be because of tonight.
(buddy surge, begin!)
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Always been for it. No joke. It is criminally stupid to think that they should be taxed otherwise.
AlteredBeast
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wow. This is all Romney needs to say today. LOL
The Librarian
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I don't think only saying it will have an impact. Romney has to show some emotion behind it, which he had trouble doing in debates and on the trail.
Invisible_Insane
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You're alright, AB.
Unrelatedly, we should get a PoliGAF band together and record a track for the Gingrich surge. "Gold on the Water"?
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
...ire in the sky???
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