Postal services around the world are suspending deliveries to the US

TDiddyLive said:
If a country stopped trading resources with the US, the US would likely respond by not buying any products from that country. Since the US is such a massive purchaser on the global scale, that's where the real economic damage would occur.
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Isn't that the point of the tariffs? To discourage US companies/individuals buying from anywhere other than the US?
Good luck with that.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
The de minimis loophole was being exploited by cheap Chinese sellers to bypass normal taxes on imported goods for a long time

This is long long overdue and the countries who are doing this are doing Americans a favor by not sending them worthless shit from Shein and Temu
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Yes, the US market has been flooded with absolutely trash products from china the last decade, and anything to reverse that is overall good and necessary.

I remember when all online sites like Amazon were not trash-tier fronts for mountains of Wish/TEMU crap from overseas. It's not a normal state of affairs to live that way.

StreetsofBeige said:
A good chunk of stuff is made in China. You wouldnt come close to having the people power or facilities to make it all locally. And that goes for things that can be made local if a company really forced it. A good portion of electronics/PCs/chips arent even made in USA. To get that made locally would be a huge task and take forever, cost a lot, and train people to transfer over production.
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But this is precisely the problem, and was not a natural occurrence. The US used to lead in many areas of manufacturing that it decided to give up by a completely confused agenda of de-industrializing here to export it to China, who gladly took it up. But we lost the critical expertise for microchips and a ton of other complex things by moving those supply chains, and the embedded knowledge behind them, all overseas.

To restore our ability to be independent from China is needed, and should be given the same kind of national dedication as a war effort.

kruis said:
The problem is not the de minimis loophole, but the fact that this presidential decree came from out of nowhere, the regulations (and its implications) aren't all worked out and postal services around the world weren't given the time to adjust to these changes and implement them.
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Agreed that the process would be better in an ideal world, but the US legislative system is totally broken. There is no such thing anymore as the Congress creating any kind of policy on this level; it no longer has the capacity at any level. Sadly we are in a world where we have to hope the executive gets it right and isn't reversed by the next exec.
 
nightfly said:
You shouldn't criticize others of the ways you yourself dare not even attempt.
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:/

triggered GIF
 
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Toons said:
If Americans were good at making the stuff we trade, we wouldn't be trading it
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And were it only on Chinese goods. I don't think we ever should have opened our economy so freely to them as we did back in the 90's, which hurt our manufacturing base - particularly the union driven sector - but that's a whole other conversation.

This admin is slapping needless tariffs on long time allies and trade partners. All of whom have pretty much exhausted their surpluses and willingness to eat those tariffs and will soon be passing them fully onto importers here domestically.

Inflation, the price of goods and services, et al, are only going to get wildly worse in the next two or three years, so says pretty much every economist of whom I've heard or read from.
 
TDiddyLive said:
If a country flat out stops trading with the US, their economy is likely cooked.

And to the Americans liking your post? Looks like you hate the greatest country on the planet. Nothing is stop you from leaving. We won't miss you.
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Because of tariffs, people are looking to other trading partners and accelerating China global hegemony. We live in a globalized world in which countries need others to thrive.
 
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Toons said:
If Americans were good at making the stuff we trade, we wouldn't be trading it
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We were good at manufacturing many of these things -- even pioneering things like chip manufacturing, which requires a massive amount of expertise to build out the pipeline. But we chose to outsource that to China, which implicitly meant giving over our expertise. We sent our best there to train and build out entire manufacturing sectors for these complex specialities, then lost that ability at home.

It's not something that just happened, it was a choice, and at least in principle I like the boldness of being able to say "globalization is a series of choices; we can take back the ones that were mistakes, even if it requires us some pain to reverse the damage."
 
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Unknown Soldier said:


Anti-tariff GAF trade and taxation experts in shambles
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You don't seem to fully understand that the entirety of that $500 billion generated by tariffs comes out of the pocket of US companies and consumers .... 🤡

If I export a $10,000 "made in China" car to the US and get hit with a 100% tariff, the US company that imports the car will have to pay $20,000 to receive that car and the US government grabs half of that money. But I'll still get my $10,000.

The issue of course is that companies in countries that are hit with tariffs will sell less goods to the US when their products become too expensive. Sales will go down which is going to hit their bottom line. BUT NONE OF THOSE FOREIGN COMPANIES PAY TARIFFS! IT'S YOU.

And now you know why US companies that rely on imported parts that are't being manufactured in the US are losing billions of dollars. All of that money now goes to the coffers of the US government.


www.theguardian.com

GM says Trump tariffs knocked $1.1bn off its operating income last quarter

US automaker’s second-quarter core profit fell 32% and it expects tariff impact to worsen in the third quarter
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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ResurrectedContrarian said:
We were good at manufacturing many of these things -- even pioneering things like chip manufacturing, which requires a massive amount of expertise to build out the pipeline. But we chose to outsource that to China, which implicitly meant giving over our expertise. We sent our best there to train and build out entire manufacturing sectors for these complex specialities, then lost that ability at home.

It's not something that just happened, it was a choice, and at least in principle I like the boldness of being able to say "globalization is a series of choices; we can take back the ones that were mistakes, even if it requires us some pain to reverse the damage."
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Its never been that simple though. We didn't get here through simple means. We won't get out of it through simple means. You can't brute force your way out of a problem that involves complexities and takes years if not decades to fix.
 
Toons said:
Its never been that simple though. We didn't get here through simple means. We won't get out of it through simple means. You can't brute force your way out of a problem that involves complexities and takes years if not decades to fix.
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partly agree, in the sense that I believe there needs to be a strong effort around it (not just tariffs, but finding more policy levers to use in helping rebuild the capacity we've lost at home) -- but at the same time, small policies without a clear "the old ways are over" line and heavy shifts like strong tariffs and total renegotation of what the US is supposed to look like as a trading entity, I don't see any way to actually make a dent

Personally, I'm happy to go from "globalization is inevitable and you can't even fight it, just be happy with your home country devolving into service-sector jobs lol" to "this is an economic war and we're ready to use all the weapons at hand."
 
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Toons said:
If Americans were good at making the stuff we trade, we wouldn't be trading it
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The thing is, we are good at it, we just haven't been doing it.

This is sort of a kick in the pants, as it were.
Now we can start manufacturing and in the process, make America great again.

We've been relying on cheap imports for way too long.
 
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Plies said:
The thing is, we are good at it, we just haven't been doing it.

This is sort of a kick in the pants, as it were.
Now we can start manufacturing and in the process, make America great again.

We've been relying on cheap imports for way too long.
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Most materials for actual production are *imported* to the US. For Us made products, the consumer now pays the tariffs.

Look at US Steel, roughly a quarter of steel is imported, for the production of the rest, the US imports all that is needed.

For producing food, the US is *reliant* on importing billions worth of nitrates in 2025, and 65% of the work force are foreign workers.

The US imports too many of it's base need products, doesn't produce enough of it anymore. But, it's not like you can just start up production of something you shut down, it takes a bit. Need a new copper mine? Yeah, that will take 4-5 years.

Want to replace the farm workers? Sorry, I don't know to many US citizens that want to work on farms as farm hands earning bare minimum.

But, most hilariously are the building of stuff, like, say, Ford, want to build a car engine. Engine is assembled in the US, shipped to Mexico for hose installation, then over to Canada for electronics installation, and the finally, shipped back to the US, to put into the chassis, but wait, we still need the actual glass installed, that is made in China....

I am not sure how anyone can believe this is a good idea for the average citizen of the USA.


How anyone can think this is a winning situation for anyone, is, rather ludicrous.
 
Liljagare said:
Most materials for actual production are *imported* to the US. For Us made products, the consumer now pays the tariffs.

Look at US Steel, roughly a quarter of steel is imported, for the production of the rest, the US imports all that is needed.

For producing food, the US is *reliant* on importing billions worth of nitrates in 2025, and 65% of the work force are foreign workers.

The US imports too many of it's base need products, doesn't produce enough of it anymore. But, it's not like you can just start up production of something you shut down, it takes a bit. Need a new copper mine? Yeah, that will take 4-5 years.

Want to replace the farm workers? Sorry, I don't know to many US citizens that want to work on farms as farm hands earning bare minimum.

But, most hilariously are the building of stuff, like, say, Ford, want to build a car engine. Engine is assembled in the US, shipped to Mexico for hose installation, then over to Canada for electronics installation, and the finally, shipped back to the US, to put into the chassis, but wait, we still need the actual glass installed, that is made in China....

I am not sure how anyone can believe this is a good idea for the average citizen of the USA.


How anyone can think this is a winning situation for anyone, is, rather ludicrous.
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You have no long term thinking brain, but those are all solid points.
 
Plies said:
Collapse is an exaggeration.
Short term bumps in the road sounds more feasible.
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We shall see how food production covers it all.. :D

55% loss on wheat, 35% loss on corn this year, it is going to be felt by the end consumer, next year, crop prediction are down by a whopping 45% for the US.

That, is not good for anyone on the *planet*.

Tons of states getting salt water intrusion into their water aquifers to add on top.

!remindme 1 year
 
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Liljagare said:
You assume a certain place will survive long term, without massive disruptions and possible collapse, short term.
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And even after production starts prices of items will be higher than those imported from China.

Things like that can be done but that requires years of planning and it should be done gradually, in phases. Not Trump: "Tariffs tomorrow!" style.
 
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Bojji said:
And even after production starts prices of items will be higher than those imported from China.

Things like that can be done but that requires years of planning and it should be done gradually, in phases. Not Trump: "Tariffs tomorrow!" style.
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We made a COVID vaccine in 2 weeks.

Don't underestimate the badassness of 'murica
 
rubik's dude said:
Figure collecting is effectively turning into a dead hobby for the forseeable future: https://www.reddit.com/r/AnimeFigures/s/zAq6GnZYN5

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More figure companies following suit:

Goodsmile: https://www.goodsmile.com/en/news/6452

HobbyLink Japan: https://support.hlj.com/hc/en-us/ar...orary-Suspension-of-US-Shipping-Methods-08-26

Tokyo Otaku Mode: https://otakumode.com/shop/pickup/service-alerts

Solaris Japan: https://solarisjapan.com/
Starting August 27, all orders to the United States with a declared value of over $100 will be held until the Japan Post service suspension is lifted. Orders with a declared value under $100 will proceed and be declared as 'gift'
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rubik's dude said:
More figure companies following suit:



"Starting August 27, all orders to the United States with a declared value of over $100 will be held until the Japan Post service suspension is lifted. Orders with a declared value under $100 will proceed and be declared as 'gift'"
Solaris Japan: https://solarisjapan.com/
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Not sure that openly announcing on your webpage that you're committing customs fraud is a good idea...
 
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ResurrectedContrarian said:
We were good at manufacturing many of these things -- even pioneering things like chip manufacturing, which requires a massive amount of expertise to build out the pipeline. But we chose to outsource that to China, which implicitly meant giving over our expertise. We sent our best there to train and build out entire manufacturing sectors for these complex specialities, then lost that ability at home.

It's not something that just happened, it was a choice, and at least in principle I like the boldness of being able to say "globalization is a series of choices; we can take back the ones that were mistakes, even if it requires us some pain to reverse the damage."
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Increasing the cost of living is the wrong way to do it though. Decreasing the cost of living and in turn lowering wages would be a far smarter long term solution.
 
ResurrectedContrarian said:
But this is precisely the problem, and was not a natural occurrence. The US used to lead in many areas of manufacturing that it decided to give up by a completely confused agenda of de-industrializing here to export it to China, who gladly took it up. But we lost the critical expertise for microchips and a ton of other complex things by moving those supply chains, and the embedded knowledge behind them, all overseas.

To restore our ability to be independent from China is needed, and should be given the same kind of national dedication as a war effort.
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Totally.

The thinking western countries had was if all these shitty manufacturing jobs can be dusted off to poor countries, it's a win win. The country and locals can focus on higher value jobs and products/services, while importing all the junky shit at low prices. Kind of like having a guy living in a mansion having maids and butlers do all the menial work, while he focuses on a high paying office job.

Turns out important high value stuff like electronics (which you'd think all that flashy techy stuff would still be made in USA or Europe while China and India can have it all they want making plastic cups and $10 tshirts) can also be done overseas in humongous manufacturing hubs with equal skill and precision.

So fast forward decades, and they didnt think all those countries could man up and make awesome stuff which now they got insane pricing and monopoly power. Isnt there some stupid stat that most consumer and PC electronics are made by a handful of giant fabricating companies in Asia? Crazy. Nobody would ever think that when this stuff started shifting over 50 years ago.
 
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Rentahamster said:
Do you like the pain in practice?
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I mean, sort of yeah

The entire economic order of the US as primarily service jobs + mass consumerism is unsustainable. Debt is rising beyond control. Kids graduating now (one of my kids, the other in a few years) are facing a job market that is depressingly void. Most jobs that actually sustained normal people have been pushed to distant corners of the globe in service of top-level profits that accrue to only one class; manufacturing isn't perfect but it does tend to bring with it a lot of local, hands-on, real labor that isn't so easily replaced on a whim. Most of the middle country has evaporated since having real industries and plants everywhere was what sustained communities and gave broad employment.

The US of the 2020s is dire and could scarcely be a worse future. Yes, I support harsh measures to blow up the current arrangement and to try and nudge towards a new world. And it's not really a traditional partisan thing... the drive to globalize and vaporize the local/domestic basis for entire industries was pushed by a broad alignment of both major US parties. But the late 20th century quasi-religious elevation of global, unrestricted markets above all else deserves to die.

If anything, we need to go further. A total end to H1B would be a nice start, as well as a double or triple taxation rate for hiring remote workers outside our border.
 
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StreetsofBeige said:
Totally.

The thinking western countries had was if all these shitty manufacturing jobs can be dusted off to poor countries, it's a win win. The country and locals can focus on higher value jobs and products/services, while importing all the junky shit at low prices. Kind of like having a guy living in a mansion having maids and butlers do all the menial work, while he focuses on a high paying office job.

Turns out important high value stuff like electronics (which you'd think all that flashy techy stuff would still be made in USA or Europe while China and India can have it all they want making plastic cups and $10 tshirts) can also be done overseas in humongous manufacturing hubs with equal skill and precision.

So fast forward decades, and they didnt think all those countries could man up and make awesome stuff which now they got insane pricing and monopoly power. Isnt there some stupid stat that most consumer and PC electronics are made by a handful of giant fabricating companies in Asia? Crazy. Nobody would ever think that when this stuff started shifting over 50 years ago.
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TSMC (Taiwan) basically has monopoly on high end stuff (GPUs, CPUs) and ASML (Netherlands) has monopoly on machines required to make high end stuff.

One of the reasons PS5 and everything else is getting more expensive.
 
ResurrectedContrarian said:
I mean, sort of yeah

The entire economic order of the US as primarily service jobs + mass consumerism is unsustainable. Debt is rising beyond control. Kids graduating now (one of my kids, the other in a few years) are facing a job market that is depressingly void. Most jobs that actually sustained normal people have been pushed to distant corners of the globe in service of top-level profits that accrue to only one class; manufacturing isn't perfect but it does tend to bring with it a lot of local, hands-on, real labor that isn't so easily replaced on a whim. Most of the middle country has evaporated since having real industries and plants everywhere was what sustained communities and gave broad employment.

The US of the 2020s is dire and could scarcely be a worse future. Yes, I support harsh measures to blow up the current arrangement and to try and nudge towards a new world. And it's not really a traditional partisan thing... the drive to globalize and vaporize the local/domestic basis for entire industries was pushed by a broad alignment of both major US parties. But the late 20th century quasi-religious elevation of global, unrestricted markets above all else deserves to die.

If anything, we need to go further. A total end to H1B would be a nice start, as well as a double or triple taxation rate for hiring remote workers outside our border.
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The same capitalists who implemented those policies to outsource and globalize in order to increase shareholder profits for their donors and disenfranchise the working class by funneling the wealth accumulation towards the rich are the same ones who are currently running the country, which coincidentally is also increasing shareholder profits for their donors and disenfranchising the working class by funneling wealth accumulation towards the already rich. I have little confidence they have your best interests in mind.
 
Rentahamster said:
The same capitalists who implemented those policies to outsource and globalize in order to increase shareholder profits for their donors and disenfranchise the working class by funneling the wealth accumulation towards the rich are the same ones who are currently running the country, which coincidentally is also increasing shareholder profits for their donors and disenfranchising the working class by funneling wealth accumulation towards the already rich. I have little confidence they have your best interests in mind.
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It's not so simple, and you're trying to make it narrowly partisan which doesn't really apply in the realignment here. The current president is hated by the globalizing hyper-capitalist wing of his own party, for instance--and out of all the public figures who have stated their views on protectionism or tarrifs over the past decade, there's far more overlap here with the Bernie Sanders line of a few years ago than with the majority of the Rep party. When I hear someone try to frame this in 90s-era terminology about R vs D politics, with no sense of how populism has shifted the parameters, it's not really a serious position.

Also, since politics is banned, we're only keeping this thread alive by avoiding cheap nonsense about the particular ruling party etc. So it's best to argue from pure economic policy about globalism / supply chains / job markets etc and drop any resentments about which orange person bad or whatever.
 
Rentahamster said:
I wasn't making it partisan. How am I making it partisan?
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Rentahamster said:
capitalists who implemented those policies to outsource and globalize in order to increase shareholder profits for their donors and disenfranchise the working class by funneling the wealth accumulation towards the rich are the same ones who are currently running the country
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sounds to me like imputing current administration's motives as a screen for ultra rich etc... unless you mean "running the country" as in "all the market powers in general" but then this is about a rule change being implemented by a very small group against the expressed wishes of nearly every major global-profit-oriented think tank or wing out there in either party
 
kruis said:
If I export a $10,000 "made in China" car to the US and get hit with a 100% tariff, the US company that imports the car will have to pay $20,000 to receive that car and the US government grabs half of that money. But I'll still get my $10,000.
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Or you might have to reduce your price to remain competitive in the market. Or if you cannot afford to do that you may become uncompetitive in the market and people will instead buy domestic products / products from nations with lower tariffs.
 
I'm not sure why some Americans are trying to return to some nebulous glory of manufacturing from yesteryear instead of focusing on the industry of tomorrow. Space Travel, advanced chip manufacturing and fabs, robotics, electric vehicle production, solar farms, advanced agricultural, getting Boeing back on track, continued dominance in cloud computing and AI, utter dominance in high end GPU systems, and numerous others. Instead they think coal and getting USA to make toys and cheap goods again really matters.
 
ResurrectedContrarian said:
sounds to me like imputing current administration's motives as a screen for ultra rich etc...
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You don't think the ultra rich are contributing a lot to the campaigns of the people currently in power?

Which is why this analysis is faulty:

ResurrectedContrarian said:
there's far more overlap here with the Bernie Sanders line of a few years ago than with the majority of the Rep party.
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Those who donate to Bernie's campaign and would benefit from his policies (proportionally more individual small donors and less corporate donors) are not the same who donate to President Trump's campaign and would benefit from his policies (proportionally more corporate donors and less individual small donors). The majority of the Rep party vote with the president. Nearly all of them voted for the BBB. Saying there's less overlap with the majority is not representative of what's actually happening if they all fall in line with what he wants to do.
 
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