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I'm sorry, but you're horribly, horribly, horribly misguided if you think Sasuke's genjutsu is even on the same footing as the Frog songs genjutsu? How do I know? Its common fucking sense.
Look: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Demonic_Illusion:_Toad_Confrontation_Singing
It is said to be the most powerful genjutsu in their arsenal. It is immensely powerful and only has to reach the target's sense of hearing to be a success. Even if there are several hundred targets, they are completely disconnected from each other. Inside the genjutsu world, the targets are surrounded from all sides by four toad samurai, with their mind and body completely sealed between their hands in an illusionary cube of water. The four unmoving toads won't lift the complete binding until the user gives the order.
In comparison to Sasuke's weak Genjutus, which Danzo managed to shrug with ease.
Evidence 1: http://i.imgur.com/uIcvr.jpg
Evidence 2: http://i.imgur.com/6bdQ1.jpg
Sasuke's genjutsu would be useless against all 6 paths of Pein. His cqc is good, but inferior to Frog Kata. (Sage Mode Naruto is basically untouchable in cqc, none fo the Pein's could get near him.) Even with sage Mode Naruto's precognitive sensing abilities which is basically almost identical to Sharingan
Evidence 1.1: http://i.imgur.com/vTHEI.png
Was still almost overwhelmed by the 6 pathes. Even if he could subjugate 1 summon, he'd still be overwhelmed by the other paths.
Even if you refute some of my claims, my main point still stands. SM Naruto will always have a better performance against Pein. Given the same exact circumstances, Sasuke would lose to Pein every time
His Shadow Clones allow him to deal with multiple opponents at once, something Sasuke cannot hope to replicate (he could not deal with +1 / ~2 kages at a time... Naruto faced off against 6+ elite jonin / low kage enemies) On top of this, he lacks destructive area of effect jutsus like RasenShuriken and Senpo Odama Rasengan. And even moreso, even with all of this, Naruto had to use Shadow Clone feints to deal with the Pein path that could bring the other Peins back to life. You need to realize that in Naruto, everybody has a designated opponent. Sasuke's was Deidara and Itachi, Naruto (Sage Mode) could never hope to defeat either of them under normal circumstances.
I'm sorry to say this (since you're my fellow naruto defense force member) but you literally have no argument.
TheKaeptain
Banned
Naruto...
HOLY SHIT!!!!
HOLY SHIT!!!!
Crash Station
Member
Shinshi na Meets Girl
Well that was pointless. Amusing though.
Well that was pointless. Amusing though.
Bambino! :164 (Fin)
What a fucking cliff-hanger. I know that it's all set to continue in Secondo, but I would have, at the least, dug a proper ending to the arc. But whatevs, Bambino!, as a unit itself, was a ride that everyone should look into. I enjoyed it immensely. And do vey much look forward to the scans of Bambino!: Secondo, if I'm to be lucky man and actually get any.
What a fucking cliff-hanger. I know that it's all set to continue in Secondo, but I would have, at the least, dug a proper ending to the arc. But whatevs, Bambino!, as a unit itself, was a ride that everyone should look into. I enjoyed it immensely. And do vey much look forward to the scans of Bambino!: Secondo, if I'm to be lucky man and actually get any.
Smiles and Cries
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Naruto
No don't end a chapter like that noooo
No don't end a chapter like that noooo
wolf guy ch58
Dame Rat face is badass setting those students on fire and come in like scarface
chibi a wolf now finally something interesting, this manga really good when it's not about the constant remind of how much of lone wolf igumi is and anything to do with that dumb teacher ms boob slobbering over some wolf dick, too bad that takes up like a good 70% of the manga.
The whole elements thing was just some silly half baked idea kishi added that only applys when he feels like it.
Diedara vs the sauce fight
Lighting beats earth ....wtf? kishi most of never made it past brock.
Dame Rat face is badass setting those students on fire and come in like scarface
chibi a wolf now finally something interesting, this manga really good when it's not about the constant remind of how much of lone wolf igumi is and anything to do with that dumb teacher ms boob slobbering over some wolf dick, too bad that takes up like a good 70% of the manga.
The whole elements thing was just some silly half baked idea kishi added that only applys when he feels like it.
Diedara vs the sauce fight
Lighting beats earth ....wtf? kishi most of never made it past brock.
Huh...the 2 frogs for sage mode are not exactly mere summons and the other one was getting owned by the wolf/dog one....
And I'm almost positive that Orochimaru is worthless in every single category against Pain so that comparison really doesn't fly.
Heck Orochimaru is hinted at being way weaker than Jiraya except that the hermit never wanted to actually fight against him (example being how Itachi reacts to Orochimaru or Jiraya).
mysticwhip
Banned
This is the same Danzo, who had 10 sharingans and Shisuis amazing sharingan right? Danzo is supposed to be able to shrug that shit off. These Pain bodies aren't anything special once you know their abilities, that's their whole strength, the mystery of it. Sasukes is a genius he'd figure it out he has techniques to easily dispose of them.
I really don't see sasuke losing against pain. Hell, if he had all of them in his view, bam amaterasu.
Sasuke is way smarter than Naruto (yes, on the battlefield too). Once he figured the Pain shit out, it would be no problem for him to smoke Pain's "im gonna revive everyone i just killed cuz of talk no jutsu" bitchass.
Danzo? That was a real g. Had bout 50 sharingans AND shisui's eye. AND he had Hashirama's cells. Took up a hostage? Sasuke don't give a fuck.
Pain was a puppet to fake madara. Get this: He's a puppet, to someone who isn't who they say they are. Doesn't get much lamer than that.
Danzo? That was a real g. Had bout 50 sharingans AND shisui's eye. AND he had Hashirama's cells. Took up a hostage? Sasuke don't give a fuck.
Pain was a puppet to fake madara. Get this: He's a puppet, to someone who isn't who they say they are. Doesn't get much lamer than that.
So neither of you can up with a good with reason other than
"lol he's Sasuke, he's super strong he beat Danzo."
Right. I cannot believe you're underestimating Pein this badly. The Danzo comparisons are irrelevant. He couldn't use Shisui's eyes, and in Izanagi's case he couldn't use them at their maxium potential. I will leave off with this, Sasuke is "contrary to popular belief" and idiot in battle. He recklessly attacks his opponent and rarely uses strategy.
Anyway, I finished re-reading One Piece. Tears of joy are running down my face, what a fantastic series.
"lol he's Sasuke, he's super strong he beat Danzo."
Right. I cannot believe you're underestimating Pein this badly. The Danzo comparisons are irrelevant. He couldn't use Shisui's eyes, and in Izanagi's case he couldn't use them at their maxium potential. I will leave off with this, Sasuke is "contrary to popular belief" and idiot in battle. He recklessly attacks his opponent and rarely uses strategy.
Anyway, I finished re-reading One Piece. Tears of joy are running down my face, what a fantastic series.
Finally, you see the light
Stealth Editor
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Welcome to hell. Waiting a whole week for one chapter after an awesome cliffhanger
Also Oda enjoys taking weeks off. Just so you know
But that is a good reason. Sasuke is strong and smart. And in this particular matchup, he has the two key things that many others lack to beat Pain: A very intelligent battle sense (to figure out the mystery, which as mysticwhip said, is the first key to beating Pain at his game) and genjutsu out of the ass (Pain's biggest weakness).
The reason that Naruto's fight against Pain seemed so spectacular is that he didn't have the things that Sasuke has to equate to a perfect matchup against Pain. He found other ways to do it, and no one is saying those weren't feats themselves. SM Naruto has its weaknesses anyways. I'm not ready to say that MS Sasuke would destroy him, but let's not front like it would absolutely be Naruto's advantage.
The Danzo comment was a joke. I am not underestimating Pain's ability. Sasuke is simply the perfect matchup for him. Anyone could see that. As a matter of fact, any adept Uchiha would be a perfect matchup for Pain. Sorry bro.
As for Sasuke being an idiot in battle, if you're taking the Danzo fight as an example, that is not a good one. His fight was driven more by anger and revenge than anything (so that explains him "charging in"), and while that will probably drive what he does from here on out, he is still intelligent about his actual battle movements.
mysticwhip
Banned
reread the deidara fight and itachi fight if you believe this.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Your acting like Sasuke any better he is puppets also in fact he even worst depending on how your views are .
Also Sasuke is bitch he has not won one fight so far by himself expect maybe vs Deidara.
Plus in all of the manga i would say that Sasuke has never showed he was smarter on the battlefield than naruto.
Thanks to his eyes it easier to see things but coming up with ways to beat people not to me.
Also not type this is long but Fuck Sasuke.
Just to chime in on the Naruto thing, it'll all be irrelevant when the inevitable Naruto/Sasuke fight happens. They'll be pretty well matched and then one side takes the advantage before the other does something to turn the tables and then repeat for awhile. The past opponent strengths won't matter :x
Kurogane 19 - New guy, because we need to replace the terrible guys in the club when it comes to match time. Also, eventual romantic interest conflict needs a character like him. But ... nothing else to really say.
Kurogane 19 - New guy, because we need to replace the terrible guys in the club when it comes to match time. Also, eventual romantic interest conflict needs a character like him. But ... nothing else to really say.
Crash Station
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Yeah, I was expecting a one-off chapter since it has a Christmas theme, but stuff actually happened.
mysticwhip
Banned
Buddha
Fucked uuuuuuuuuuup, helped save somebody's mother while your entire family is being burned alive.
Fucked uuuuuuuuuuup, helped save somebody's mother while your entire family is being burned alive.
I don't deny that Sasuke is a shitty character (though very entertaining for viewers/readers). Doesn't change that he is good at what he does: Fucking people up with no regards for anything.
But consider this: If Sasuke is such a shitty character, that makes Naruto that much more shitty for literally crying to try and bring him back as a "friend" and risking lots of shit just for that same shitty character.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Both of them are stupid chars but i find Sasuke worst cause when ever he comes into manga he makes Naruto act even more stupid .
Some of the worst parts of part 2 in Naruto is when Sasuke shows up and Naruto is after him.
Also i don't know the only person Sasuke fuck up is Deidara everyone else he was happy for the help so i don't even think he good at that .
Since he needs help most of the time.
Stuff happened a lot lately.
Probably one or two human ingredients left before the Gourmet World. We need some more characters too.
No one will argue with that.
Infinite Justice
Member
Indeed.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Well, Shikaku and Kabuto are pretty smart, too. Naruto and Sasuke...not so much.
When Sasuke does something: He cries
When Naruto does something: He wins
Expecting anything else is setting up for disappointment.
Actually, Pein baby shakes pretty much any Uchiha. They'd get rocked by him pretty badly considering he has vision 6 fold (meaning if 1 pein gets genjutsued the rest can save him). I'd like an explanation as to how exactly Pein is weak against any of Sasuke's (poor) Genjutsu, because i'm just not seeing it.
I was commenting on his intelligence post Itachi.
VS Killer Bee: Charged at him like an idiot and got fucked in the ass
VS the 5 kages: Charges at them like an idiot and fucked in the ass
VS Danzo: Charges at him like an idiot and wins.
His fights don't involve any strategy at this point, they're fueled by aggression. Naruto is a genius in battle (like all Shonen hero's are) and arguably on par with Sasuke in terms of battle wit. (the data book has their intelligence at 3 & 3.5 respectively)
Really, this fight is going nowhere. We're going in circles. If you did make this post in narutoforums you'd be laughed off btw. Pein is considered to be a top tier character, whereas Sasuke is almost always high. I also think you're underestimating just how good Sage mode Naruto is. Anyway, I figure i'll drop this point for good unless someone posts something exceedingly stupid (like Sasuke finding a way to counter Ghost realm Pein)
I've come home.
mysticwhip
Banned
You seriously did not just say that. ololololol
Infinite Justice
Member
Berserk
Miura pimping out Golden Age this week
Isn't the movie coming this year? makes sense then
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Sasuke doesn't even actually fight. He just stands there and surrounds himself with impenetrable fire while shooting fireballs out of his eyes.
No better than throwing fireballs...or rasengans.
Neoriceisgood
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Do people at Narutoforums laugh easily? I'm not familiar with this mystical place.
Infinite Justice
Member
imo this is my take on what went wrong with Sasuke since in the olden days he fought more smartly since he was normally limited by his chakra, knew how much he could push it and let his attacks count.
Now since his sharingan has gotten broken and his chakra reserves apparently gotten a bump all he just does shit (i blame the deiadara fight and after)
http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=794465
Favorite Akatsuki Couple? said:Which Akatsuki pairing do you like best and why? What is it about their relationship that you like? Or do you only like the way they look together?
Edit: 'Pain' can also be Nagato or Yahiko, if you prefer one over the other.
Edit 2: Since there seems to be a lot of confusion over the context of this thread, yes, this is indeed a thread about the pairs being involved romantically. No, it's not a yaoi thread, since Konan is included in the poll options.
It's my favourite forum
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Sounds like my kinda place =V
edit: crap I forgot you can't see me winking over the internet
Infinite Justice
Member
*facepalm*
That smiley baffles the shit outta me. What the hell does it mean?
Glass Rebel
Member
Yeah, totally not yaoi.
Neoriceisgood
Member
Is that two ichigos nearly making out ... ?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Perceptive.
Infinite Justice
Member
suppsosedly winking (without the animation of course)
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