Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This
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Jex
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Right, now you see where I'm coming from, at least. I don't see much reason for only judging a show by it's competition within the season. Yes, it allows you to pick a 'best of the season' show and have some rankings, but once this season ends which titles would you recommend to someone in two, maybe three years time? Those are the shows that I'm really looking for - which isn't to say that I can't find average titles entertaining, because I do.
Well, that's like SHAFT's animation in a nutshell.
RurouniZel
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I know. :-/. I just felt the need to express my dismay with otaku taste. More for Chihayafuru than Ben-To (a very uneven acquired taste), obviously.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Shows that haven't become shit yet: Chihayafuru, Mirai Nikki
Guilty Pleasures: Persona 4: The Cartoon, Lagrange: The Flower of Rin-ne, Zero no Tsukaima F
They are three minute shorts so whatever: Recorder and Randsell, Poyopoyo Kansatsu Nikki
This shit is awful and I'm watching it for the irony: Senki Zesshou Symphogear
Just average: The Knight in the Area
Genuinely great: Thermæ Romæ
Best Soundtrack: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
This season is riding on the coattails of last season, basically.
Guilty Pleasures: Persona 4: The Cartoon, Lagrange: The Flower of Rin-ne, Zero no Tsukaima F
They are three minute shorts so whatever: Recorder and Randsell, Poyopoyo Kansatsu Nikki
This shit is awful and I'm watching it for the irony: Senki Zesshou Symphogear
Just average: The Knight in the Area
Genuinely great: Thermæ Romæ
Best Soundtrack: My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic
This season is riding on the coattails of last season, basically.
Certainly, and that's why they deserve such scorn.
Well I don't know that it's their fault entirely that they have no budget. I'm sure they would make things that were much more consistent if they had the money.
That doesn't excuse anything though. I'm not going to add a "well these guys can't manage money for shit so this show was made on a $20 budget" handicap modifier when I critique a SHAFT anime. They make bad anime and they deserve to be called out on it.
Those I know of (shintoki and DTL come to mind) are fangirls at heart :3
It makes one question how works like those get greenlit in the first place when the odds of success are virtually nil. The market for anime in Japan seems to be becoming somewhat analogous to the western game industry, with a handful of incredibly safe AAA titles garnering success at the cost of everything else being a bomba.
As much as I enjoy Lagrange, the feeling that people have been forced to change their standards is evident in some of its praise. I hesitate to speak for anyone else, but I don't know that the level of quality of its use of moe/yuri would have even been a factor in appraising its quality in the past, and yet it's mentioned frequently as one of the show's best points.
I've never been opposed to the presence of these elements, but I find myself entering them increasingly highly into my consideration of a show's overall quality as anime has increasingly relied on them as a selling point, and I don't know how to feel about that.
Then let's talk about what makes Rinne average.
For the sake of argument, let's say I think Broken Blade is average. Now what?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
It's promotion for the source material and associated merchandising.
It's a manic, super-cartoony magical girl parody that isn't afraid to go off-model. Seriously, not at all what you would expect from the official art. It has some shoujo-ai in it, but so does Symphogear and I'm still the first to make fun of that awful show.
Unknown Soldier
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I will gladly accept Jex's evaluation of Lagrange as average so long as he also admits Nise is below average. Otherwise fuck that hypocritical bullshit right in the ear.
There's a difference between scorn and criticism.
I would easily recommend Rinne to people.
They deserve scorn for doing it repeatedly with no signs of even attempting improvement.
There's no motive to improve when their shows sell in record numbers and well-made shows with good animation and universal appeal like Usagi Drop barely cross the Manabi line.
Unknown Soldier
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Or maybe its because your idea of universal appeal isnt as universal as you thought?
Enough talk about how awesome Rinne is. Let's talk about another awesome show.
CCS 48
Still raining. What is this, Florida?
Her
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Sakura figures out
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Sakura pwns everything and
. Again.
CCS 48
Still raining. What is this, Florida?
Sakura and friends go out to the playground where someone is doing mean things with water.
Her
wand sitll doesnt work and everybody gets captured
Sakura figures out
that she is the goddamned BOSS and learns new ways to use her wand and summon the cards
Sakura pwns everything and
some mysterious people lurk in the shadows
But that's why they deserve scorn. You're just making my arguments for me! Their shows sell a shitzillion copies and yet they still consistently make stuff that wouldn't look out of place in Gonzo's back catalogue.
A good studio like KyoAni uses their success money to make the most of every production. SHAFT is not a good studio. They are cheap and bad.
They just aren't talented enough to do any better.
Is it likely that a multi-million-dollar animated production for something Chihayafuru or Ben-To is going to result in an equal or greater uptick in profits from sales of light novels/manga, figurines, dakis, etc? From browsing Japanese hobby sites in the past, I've gotten the feeling that very little merchandise is produced for failed series.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Usagi Drop has a movie with real actors. That's where the mainstream is. Anything else is kidding yourself.
K-On is boring and not attention-grabbing. That's my official stance on it.
PdotMichael
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Now I have an idea what is for you average. Maybe you should just write your opinion than playing the pseudo-objective game. But this is something we all should do.
Except that they make good anime, not bad anime, so this post makes no sense at all.
Does SHAFT actually receive most of their profits, or does it go to Aniplex? KyoAni's position seems to be a bit different. I mean it would make sense that Aniplex keeps using SHAFT because they'll work for almost no money, thus ensuring a much higher profit margin for themselves.
I think the real blame ultimately goes to the big anime producers and the otaku for ensuring that anime became a niche industry that increasingly has to rely on creepy pandering to be profitable.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Since most of these shows air in time slots bought and paid for by the studios/distributors, I imagine that's the thinking. I imagine they don't want to lose money, but they probably realize that it's possible that the anime becomes a write off.
It's a shame you can't appreciate good art just because it doesn't have a high framerate.
You can't improve on perfection.
I don't know if Usagi Drop is a great example to use. This may be very naive of me, but presumably the fact that the ratings for noitaminA are probably double (if not more) of the average SHAFT show means that advertisers pay more to Fuji TV in the first instance to show commercials during Usagi Drop's broadcast.
I don't know who it is that needs to make money on the show for it to be considered a success - the TV station, the production team, or the licensors of the Usagi Drop IP (the publishers most likely, although I don't know how manga licensing works and whether anime rights remain with the original mangaka?). But someone somewhere is still managing to find money to fund these shows, however diminished noitaminA's star may seem at present - and even bearing that in mind, despite how disappointing 2011 was most of the shows had decent production values and didn't come across as "cheap".
I think I've kind of forgotten my point, but basically what I think it is is that a noitaminA show possibly doesn't make mounds of money I wouldn't necessarily see poor disc sales as being an indicator of the show failing financially (and certainly not critically). Hunter X Hunter 2011 hasn't even sold a Fractale, and I don't think anyone would call that a failure.
But framerate does not constitute good animation.
There isn't much (if any) good art to appreciate in SHAFT shows.
Also this:
I see what you did there.
Unknown Soldier
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Trololol
Why do you say that, because it's stylized?
Here's the thing about SHAFT. shaft does what they can with what they're given to work with. they don't have a budget like KYOAni and so they can't be expected to do great things with the production. Do you guys honestly think KyoAni could do what they do with a shitty budget like Shaft gets? Try giving them a real budget where they don't have to cost cut everything. I bet it would be among the best in the industry.
No, because it's shit.
Well, you're wrong. Sorry you have to be like that.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well, one of the reasons they moved to nerd fair is because the women who would watch their older shows wouldn't buy the discs. It's a factor anyway.
in before "SHAFT wouldn't make anything better even if they had a better budget" or variations of that.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Yaoi is more boring Yuri, unfortunately. Seikai-ichi Hatsukoi was fairly zzz.
Nah, even if the budgets were good, people still tend to hate the subject matter of most SHAFT shows. It's just easier to criticize the animation because you don't have to go into what's specifically wrong with each show from a character/narrative/etc. standpoint.
Unknown Soldier
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I cant actually tell if Hito-chan is trolling or not right now. :|
firehawk12
Subete no aware
They're different?!
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