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[Adam Blade]

This little aside has gone way too far.

:3

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Surprised at all the Chicago picks, going without two starters and against the best defensive team in the league scoring-wise(I think).

I guess people aren't convinced with the Sixers' schedule.

Should be a tough close game, always liked Doug Collins.

Deng may play against the Knicks tomorrow.

 

[giri]

Surprised at all the Chicago picks, going without two starters and against the best defensive team in the league scoring-wise(I think).

I guess people aren't convinced with the Sixers' schedule.

Should be a tough close game, always liked Doug Collins.

Deng may play against the Knicks tomorrow.

Deng and rip?

Rip has barely played, he's a starter in name only atm. The bulls are the team they are this season with out him. So that shouldn't really factor against a soso~~ team like the 6'ers.

I'd be more worried about the deng loss if the 6'ers had a bonafide big time scoring wing. But they don't.

 

[Vahagn]

Eh, people here also constantly leave nash off of the fittest player lists. People get overlooked regularly for lots of things.

Durant is also someone who works relentlessly on his game. When he came into the NBA he had incredibly horrible handles. Now, he's pretty decent.

That was pretty quick. No one even said anything about Nash and you still took it as a slight (and seem to) "people regularly leave him off of fittest player lists" and had to come to his defense.


Case in point buddy

 

[giri]

That was pretty quick. No one even said anything about Nash and you still took it as a slight (and seem to) "people regularly leave him off of fittest player lists" and had to come to his defense.


Case in point buddy

Literally doesn't prove a single thing about your point.

Keep chucking Walton.

 

[Blackace]

That was pretty quick. No one even said anything about Nash and you still took it as a slight (and seem to) "people regularly leave him off of fittest player lists" and had to come to his defense.


Case in point buddy

lol..

 

[Black Mamba]

Washington @ Orlando
Chicago @ Philadelphia
Detroit @ New Jersey
Toronto @ Boston
Indiana @ Minnesota
Miami @ Milwaukee
Oklahoma City @ Dallas
Phoenix @ New Orleans
Houston @ San Antonio
Charlotte @ Portland
LA Clippers @ Utah

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Deng and rip?

Rip has barely played, he's a starter in name only atm. The bulls are the team they are this season with out him. So that shouldn't really factor against a soso~~ team like the 6'ers.

I'd be more worried about the deng loss if the 6'ers had a bonafide big time scoring wing. But they don't.

Deng and Rip are out, yeah.

Rip is going to miss a lot of games once again until he is 100%(didn't work last time they did that but oh well).

Brewer and Korver(17 points last game!!!!!!) are starting again.

 

[thekad]

Washington @ Orlando
Chicago @ Philadelphia
Detroit @ New Jersey
Toronto @ Boston
Indiana @ Minnesota
Miami @ Milwaukee
Oklahoma City @ Dallas
Phoenix @ New Orleans
Houston @ San Antonio
Charlotte @ Portland
LA Clippers @ Utah

 

[Adam Blade]

Washington @ Orlando
Chicago @ Philadelphia
Detroit @ New Jersey
Toronto @ Boston
Indiana @ Minnesota
Miami @ Milwaukee
Oklahoma City @ Dallas
Phoenix @ New Orleans
Houston @ San Antonio
Charlotte @ Portland
LA Clippers @ Utah

First time (in a while, at least!).

 

[Vahagn]

Literally doesn't prove a single thing about your point.

Keep chucking Walton.

This is why I really don't like debating with you, You'd never admit to being wrong.

This coming from the guy who runs to Steve Nash's defense any time any kind of criticism is ever sent his way (accurate or not) and I'm the one being a homer?

I'd love you to find proof of this. It would be great reading. But i doubt you can, because i never have.

Not 5 minutes later

Eh, people here also constantly leave nash off of the fittest player lists

I shouldn't have to break it down, but you threw in a super Homer comment about Nash for no reason when he wasn't even mentioned simply because ITWMB left him off the list of people comparable to Kobe?


I didn't even have to search for a Nash Homer comment from you, you literally gave it to me 5 min later

 

[thekad]

The Houston Rockets have had extensive trade discussions with the New Orleans Hornets about center Chris Kaman and appear to be in the lead for him, numerous sources told SI.com.

The NBA-owned Hornets, who acquired Kaman from the Clippers in the Chris Paul deal on Dec. 15, rendered him inactive last week and publicly acknowledged their decision to trade him. Hornets general manager Dell Demps has been shopping for a deal involving young players and draft picks while the big man awaits his next destination. Kaman, 29, an All-Star in 2009-2010 when he averaged 18.5 points and 9.2 rebounds, is making $14 million in the last year of his contract.

Dealing with the Hornets means any trade must be vetted by league executives Stu Jackson and Joel Litvin before being approved by commissioner David Stern. A week before Paul was traded to the Clippers, Stern vetoed a three-team deal that would have sent the star point guard to the Lakers and Pau Gasol to the Rockets, who are now back negotiating with New Orleans.

While no deal is imminent and the pieces are still being discussed, sources said the talks have involved the Rockets' two top-10 picks from the 2009 draft -- center Hasheem Thabeet (No. 2 by Memphis) and power forward Jordan Hill (No. 8 by New York). The Rockets have other young former first-rounders who could be included as well, among them second-year forward Patrick Patterson, third-year point guard Jonny Flynn and fourth-year small forward Terrence Williams. They also have a 2012 first-round pick from New York that the Hornets would love to obtain.

A Dragic/Lee/Kaman bench would be great.

 

[Levyne]

Go Bulls

 

[Noirulus]

Does Kyrie play as a proper point? His APG is only 4.9. Is it just him having shitty teammates or what?

 

[Pkaz01]

Washington @ Orlando
Chicago @ Philadelphia
Detroit @ New Jersey
Toronto @ Boston
Indiana @ Minnesota
Miami@ Milwaukee
Oklahoma City @ Dallas
Phoenix @ New Orleans
Houston@ San Antonio
Charlotte @Portland
LA Clippers @ Utah


Everyone that picked phoenix to win knows nash isn't playing right?

OMG i used nash's name in my post i must be a nash homer for talking about him.

 

[JaskoX1]

Irving named NBA’s Eastern Conference Rookie Of The Month for January.

 

[Black Mamba]

I like how the writer is trying to pretend that it's 2 top 10 picks from 2009 as if that's any good rather than 2 colossal busts.

I don't think Kaman can be traded for more than 1 player until March 1st or something.

edit: it's Feb 12.

 

[thekad]

Hill isn't a colossal bust. If Morey trades the Knicks pick and Patterson for a backup center, I'll become a Lakers fan.

 

[Branduil]

Was just reading Simmons' old article on the 2009 draft and found this gem..

Damn, completely on point

Not so much here, though:

Trust me: It's the worst draft class since the infamous Kenyon Martin Draft in 2000. If I had to bet my life on any 2009 prospect becoming a top-three player on a championship team, I'd bet on Blake Griffin, Ricky Rubio and Stephen Curry. That's it. You'd remember this draft as Suckapalooza 2009 someday if it hadn't happened on the same day we lost Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett. Only the Clippers could have the No. 1 pick on a day like this, right?

 

[Adam Blade]

Mike D’Antoni acknowledged Baron Davis was too sore to practice on Monday, and believes his Knicks debut may not take place until as late as “next week.’’

“We all wanted things earlier,’’ D’Antoni admitted. “But we want when he comes back he could stay back and not risk the in-and-out and all that stuff.’’

Davis, who has not played this season because of a back injury, is expected to return to practice today. During the condensed lockout schedule, practice time is at a premium, which is why D’Antoni wanted to ease Davis in during games to remove the rust. But Davis has wanted no part of that.

The Knicks had envisioned Davis returning last Saturday in Houston. But he hasn’t looked strong in scrimmages, D’Antoni said he hasn’t had “enough pop’’ and Davis needs recovery time from scrimmages.

Colour me shocked.

 

[Black Mamba]

Not so much here, though:

uh, where is the wrong? Only with harden and lawson, I suppose. Overall, terrible draft. It was the worst since 2000, I think.

 

[giri]

This is why I really don't like debating with you, You'd never admit to being wrong.








Not 5 minutes later




I shouldn't have to break it down, but you threw in a super Homer comment about Nash for no reason when he wasn't even mentioned simply because ITWMB left him off the list of people comparable to Kobe?


I didn't even have to search for a Nash Homer comment from you, you literally gave it to me 5 min later

Maybe you should look up what the word defense means, vag. I don't think it means what you think it means.

You should also read the entirety of posts and look at them in context of the conversation.

Again, you're really really terrible at this.

 

[Diprosalic]

it's going to produce 3 ROTY seasons. this should amount for something.

 

[cuevas. PhD.]

Maybe you should look up what the word defense means, vag. I don't think it means what you think it means.

You should also read the entirety of posts and look at them in context of the conversation.

Again, you're really really terrible at this.

Arguing that you're wrong is way better than explaining why you're wrong.

 

[Barrage]

it's going to produce 3 ROTY seasons. this should amount for something.

Not really. Stagger the 2003 class, and they would have won just as many. In fact, many classes would have.

 

[TylerD]

Starting Cook in place of Harden tonight so the Beard can come off the bench.

 

[giri]

uh, where is the wrong? Only with harden and lawson, I suppose. Overall, terrible draft. It was the worst since 2000, I think.

The draft class that had 3 ROTY's from it is the worst class since 2000???????

Wall was the best rookie out of last years class.....

 

[Branduil]

uh, where is the wrong? Only with harden and lawson, I suppose. Overall, terrible draft. It was the worst since 2000, I think.

Quality players from that draft:

Blake Griffin
James Harden
Tyreke Evans
Ricky Rubio
Stephen Curry
Demar Derozan
Brandon Jennings
Gerald Henderson
Jrue Holiday
Ty Lawson
Jeff Teague
Eric Maynor
Darren Collison
Rodrigue Beaubois
Taj Gibson
Dejuan Blair
Marcus Thornton
Chase Budinger

How is that a "worst" draft?

 

[hubes]

damn the sixers with complete domination to end that quarter

 

[giri]

Quality players from that draft:

Blake Griffin
James Harden
Tyreke Evans
Ricky Rubio
Stephen Curry
Demar Derozan
Brandon Jennings
Gerald Henderson
Jrue Holiday
Ty Lawson
Jeff Teague
Eric Maynor
Darren Collison
Rodrigue Beaubois
Taj Gibson
Dejuan Blair
Marcus Thornton
Chase Budinger

How is that a "worst" draft?

3 or 4 of whom could be perenial all stars. 2 atleast will be (blake, rubio).

 

[Adam Blade]

 

[SamuraiX-]

I'm unable to watch the game, so could somebody please tell me who the fuck Lavoy Allen is how he's shitting all over the Bulls...?

owate

Lavoy Allen, PF

Never mind. Got it.

 

[Vahagn]

Maybe you should look up what the word defense means, vag. I don't think it means what you think it means.

You should also read the entirety of posts and look at them in context of the conversation.

Again, you're really really terrible at this.

You bolded the general comment:

This coming from the guy who runs to Steve Nash's defense any time any kind of criticism is ever sent his way (accurate or not) and I'm the one being a homer?

AND the specific one about you defending Nash's horrible defense I made as a specific example of your past Homerism.


It's not on me to be psychic as to which comment you're referring to when you BOLD BOTH CLAIMS.

Had you actually been specific about his defense in your post, or just bolded my statement about defense, you would have an argument. But you didn't do either, you just said

I'd love you to find proof of this. It would be great reading. But i doubt you can, because i never have.

so yes, Giri, I found proof of "this"...this being running to Steve Nash's defense not 5 minutes later off an IWMTB post.


Again, you're really really bad at this

 

[Black Mamba]

Quality players from that draft:

Blake Griffin
James Harden
Tyreke Evans
Ricky Rubio
Stephen Curry
Demar Derozan
Brandon Jennings
Gerald Henderson
Jrue Holiday
Ty Lawson
Jeff Teague
Eric Maynor
Darren Collison
Rodrigue Beaubois
Taj Gibson
Dejuan Blair
Marcus Thornton
Chase Budinger

How is that a "worst" draft?

How many potential all-stars on this list? Blake, Rubio, and Curry if he can stay healthy?

The draft class that had 3 ROTY's from it is the worst class since 2000???????

Let's be real here. Evans won because everyone else sucked or was hurt/overseas.

Also, From 2000-2009. Not including the last 2 drafts since Simmons couldn't possibly know those.

Which draft had less talent in that time-frame?

edit: 2007 draft has a case. Between those 2 years.

 

[linsivvi]

edit: 2007 draft has a case. Between those 2 years.

Yeah I think 2007 is way worse.

 

[darkside31337]

James Harden should be an all star this season.

 

[Grimm Fandango]

See this is how bad we are without Deng.

 

[Mothman91]

Serephin/Booker in. Dwight comes in. BRING ON THE PAINNN

 

[SamuraiX-]

Are we talking about a concentration of individual superstar talent or a spread of talented players?

2002. Besides Yao, Amar''''''e and Prince, that entire 1st round was a colossal bust that trumps 2009's 1st round by orders of magnitude.

Edit: Forgot about Nene.

 

[linsivvi]

Are we talking about a concentration of individual superstar talent or a spread of talented players?

2002. Besides Yao, Amar''''''e and Prince, that entire 1st round was a colossal bust that trumps 2009's 1st round by orders of magnitude.

Edit: Forgot about Nene.

Butler, Boozer, Scola?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Are we talking about a concentration of individual superstar talent or a spread of talented players?

2002. Besides Yao, Amar''''''e and Prince, that entire 1st round was a colossal bust that trumps 2009's 1st round by orders of magnitude.

Edit: Forgot about Nene.

Yeah, 2002 was brutal. Around seven good players in the entire draft and Scola took so long to come over. 8th best player was either Salmons or Dunleavy Jr.

 

[Black Mamba]

Simmons made it clear he was looking at top end talent.

And even though Rubio was drafted 2 years ago, he feels like he belong in this draft class since it took 2 years to come over.

 

[darkside31337]

It's up to Ryan Anderson to save us tonight.

Big Baby -17 in less than 9 minutes played, lol.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Spencer Checketts is replacing David Locke on the radio shows on 1320. So that's replacing someone terrible with someone more terrible...

 

[giri]

You bolded the general comment:




AND the specific one about you defending Nash's horrible defense I made as a specific example of your past Homerism.


It's not on me to be psychic as to which comment you're referring to when you BOLD BOTH CLAIMS.

Had you actually been specific about his defense in your post, or just bolded my statement about defense, you would have an argument. But you didn't do either, you just said



so yes, Giri, I found proof of "this"...this being running to Steve Nash's defense not 5 minutes later off an IWMTB post.


Again, you're really really bad at this

hahahahahaha really? this is what you got. Oh lordy. Just go back to hanging out with the "not gay" richard jefferson by the beach.

 

[Branduil]

No Haywood or Odom tonight? That's not a good sign.

 

[diehard]

Spencer Checketts is replacing David Locke on the radio shows on 1320. So that's replacing someone terrible with someone more terrible...

please tell me youre joking

 

[giri]

Simmons made it clear he was looking at top end talent.

And even though Rubio was drafted 2 years ago, he feels like he belong in this draft class since it took 2 years to come over.

Uhh, 2010 was pretty bad, and 2011 seems to have been spectacularly bad too.

you can say keep it to the time frame 2000 - 2009, but the 2009 class has talent from top to bottom all over it. It was not a bad draft class. A lot of those guys have gone on to be key pieces to franchises / or franchise players.

Ty Lawson, Rubio, Curry 3 PG's that all would start on just about any team they went to.

You can hate on Reke now with retrospect, but his rookie stat line (18-5-5) was phenomenal.

No, the 2009 class was a really good rookie class. Hasn't been a good once since.

 

[linsivvi]

Simmons made it clear he was looking at top end talent.

And even though Rubio was drafted 2 years ago, he feels like he belong in this draft class since it took 2 years to come over.

How do you define top end talent? How many such top end talents are there from the 2007 class?

 

[Black Mamba]

How do you define top end talent? How many such top end talents are there from the 2007 class?

I've conceded that 2007 was a year that could be considered worse.

Guys who are or should be all-star, all-nba, or DPOY contention players would be top-end talent. Or approaching those.

Going into that 2009 draft, with 2007 only 2 years old and having Oden, Durant, Horford, Conley, Noah, Young, Stuckey, and Brooks coming off good years or a good playoff run in Noah's case (although, forgot how conley did).

At the time, it looked like 3 sure fire all-stars (yes, including Oden)with potential in Noah, Stuckey, and 1 of the rest getting there too.