Girls Generation - "The Boys" Live On David Letterman

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I thought it was cute. People are rude...

And like what you like, I wont bitch about it. Why should I?

Also. Wouldn't I be insta-banned if I went into the *shudders* wrestling gaf or football gaf threads and bitched about how horrible/pathetic it is?
 
homerule said:
Well I can't assume what their intentions were, but I'd guess it was just hyperbole.

I wouldn't think someone hated Canada just because they said Canada should keep that Nickelback shit there.
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People need to chill out, no one in here is hating on Korea; just their pop music.
 
Darknessbear said:
Also. Wouldn't I be insta-banned if I went into the *shudders* wrestling gaf or football gaf threads and bitched about how horrible/pathetic it is?
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No, because wrasslegaf knows how horrible it is. Half of the fun comes from hating it. I can not vouch for football because I do not watch it.
 
shinshoryuken said:
Um...NO....this tread is funny!!

3 of them butt ugly....if some here think SNSD are unattractive, they will cry when they see 2NE1
Joke post?
you got the slant right...plus CL is crossed-eyed....wow I'm mean
Thats also overly manufactured.


Not sure if I'm serious...
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Uhhh...what?

1) I made no comment on their looks. The fact is a group of four is a lot easier to digest than a group of nine. Especially if there's no real reason for there to be nine girls in the damn group (as that acoustic YouTube vid demonstrated). Besides, if they're "fierce" and put out good music, their looks won't matter. look at the Billboard Hot 100 right now and tell me how many of those acts are model material.

2) 2NE1 has a rapper, a main vocalist, a signature vocalist, and a backup. And they all fit together to make good music. Very similar to the makeup of classic groups like TLC. It helps them stand out.

3) Of course they're manufactured. Even most GOOD Pop groups were manufactured, K-Pop or not. But America isn't going to jump at a group that is so manufactured, so staged and rehearsed that they come off like wind-up sex dolls with no personalities. 2NE1 doesn't have that problem so much. SNSD definitely does. The idol shit doesn't fly here.
 
Darknessbear said:
I thought it was cute. People are rude...

And like what you like, I wont bitch about it. Why should I?

Also. Wouldn't I be insta-banned if I went into the *shudders* wrestling gaf or football gaf threads and bitched about how horrible/pathetic it is?
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This isn't the official SNSD thread (isn't that in Community?).
 
Spider from Mars said:
No, because wrasslegaf knows how horrible it is. Half of the fun comes from hating it. I can not vouch for football because I do not watch it.
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It depends. If you're all "lol wwe sucks" then yeah, we'd agree with you.

Now if you're gonna be all "lol all wrasslin sux its fake" then yeah, you'd be rightfully banned because you're just being a dick.
 
Well, at least ChiTown listens to MC Sniper.

I can respect that.

NEW ALBUM INCOMING, ChiTown. GET HYPE. FEAT. YIRUMA
 
17 of the top 20 songs in America are either by rappers or solo female pop singers.

I wish these K-pop groups luck in breaking into an environment like that.
 
Kusagari said:
I wish these K-pop groups luck in breaking into an environment like that.
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These appearances are still at a pretty experimental stage, though. I mean, there are probably some crazy sons of bitches in Kpop entertainment companies who probably expect Billboard #1s or even #10s or #20s to fall in their lap, but that's not overwhelmingly the level of expectation in play here.
 
odd_morsel said:
You're free to enjoy whatever you want. I'm free to feel disgusted by your taste.



I don't jump into the k-pop threads to shit up the place out of respect for members. But given the opportunity, I'll join in the hate. :)
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I think some of those girls are disgustingly hot, and could give 2 shits about their music. I still watch the videos tho, because theyre easy on the eyes. Did I mention I'm a 29 yr old white guy?

Tell me whats wrong with me.
 
At least with me, my hate has nothing to do with "keep it in Asia." It won't be successful in America because it's not good enough to be, but it's not unwelcome because it's foreign. There are a few Asian talents I adore (Shugo Tokumaru, Boris, Boredoms, Yura Yura Teikoku) and a smattering of those that I respect.

K-pop in particular is just the most devoid of any sense of creativity, and it's obvious they attempt to compensate by over-manufacturing the bands and their hype. The attempts at having an attitude and personality were just as hollow, including some shows by groups who'd be doing themselves a huge favor to claim they were direcrly ripping off the Sex Pistols or New York Dolls.

And before any Korean/Japanese rivalry is brought up, since the bands I named are all
Japanese, it's really inconsequential. Japan has embraced the western music culture for longer. I saw a lot of smaller bands and talents perform in Korea but never saw anything that went beyond a 90s Nada Surf-style emo pop/rock. When creativity is nurtured instead of punished and beauty and perfection are knocked down a few pegs in the order of priorities, Korea's musicians and pop singers will find more success internationally.
 
odd_morsel said:
K-pop in particular is just the most devoid of any sense of creativity.
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Shinsadong Tiger, Kpop's dominant songwriter, is just a straight up pop genius. And, incidentally (well, irrelevantly, but interestingly), a synaesthete.

And Rino Nakasone's choreography (Soshi, SHINee) is art. Not claiming Rino for Kpop, but she works a hell of a lot in it.

Not denying there are hacks, but the talent rises, and there's a lot of it.
 
Their drivel already has found success internationally. They've managed to sell out shows in Australia, LA(staples center), New York(MSG), and Paris. Those places are full of tasteless morons though.
 
Laughing Banana said:
If you are enjoying Korean girlbands for the music quality you are doing it wrong.



What's she doing nowadays anyways?
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She took a hiatus for a year, so I assume she will probably have something ready this year hopefully. I like her albums English & Japanese to be honest, wish she was more popular here.
 
Salazar said:
Shinsadong Tiger, Kpop's dominant songwriter, is just a straight up pop genius. And, incidentally (well, irrelevantly, but interestingly), a synaesthete.

And Rino Nakasone's choreography (Soshi, SHINee) is art. Not claiming Rino for Kpop, but she works a hell of a lot in it.

Not denying there are hacks, but the talent rises, and there's a lot of it.
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The word "genius" is reserved for auteurs, artisans and brilliant thinkers. Mr Tiger's songwriting, if he is the one responsible or SNSD, is mimicry.

Maybe he needs some actual talent (instead of girls picked for their legs and trained to be idols), and he will one day get credit for his brilliant music.
 
royalan said:
Uhhh...what?

1) I made no comment on their looks. The fact is a group of four is a lot easier to digest than a group of nine. Especially if there's no real reason for there to be nine girls in the damn group (as that acoustic YouTube vid demonstrated). Besides, if they're "fierce" and put out good music, their looks won't matter. look at the Billboard Hot 100 right now and tell me how many of those acts are model material.

2) 2NE1 has a rapper, a main vocalist, a signature vocalist, and a backup. And they all fit together to make good music. Very similar to the makeup of classic groups like TLC. It helps them stand out.

3) Of course they're manufactured. Even most GOOD Pop groups were manufactured, K-Pop or not. But America isn't going to jump at a group that is so manufactured, so staged and rehearsed that they come off like wind-up sex dolls with no personalities. 2NE1 doesn't have that problem so much. SNSD definitely does. The idol shit doesn't fly here.
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My post wasn't serious ...just like this tread...

CL is crossed-eyed!!
 
filler said:
Their drivel already has found success internationally. They've managed to sell out shows in Australia, LA(staples center), New York(MSG), and Paris. Those places are full of tasteless morons though.
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filler said:
They know Americans enjoy trash, which is why they chose that song to perform.
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So if Paris, Australia, and America are all full of tasteless morons, then what country or city has people with good taste?
 
Salazar said:
How much pop music do you want to throw under the bus, exactly ?
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Did I say anywhere that I enjoy pop music? Especially nowadays?

No? Good.

Hey, it is what it is. They're using sex appeal as arguably the strongest aspect of their selling point and I am just enjoying that particular aspect they are selling but generally not much else.

Finaika said:
You enjoy Korean girlbands for...???
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If I say that, generally, I personally find Korean girls to be attractive, does that answer your question?
 
odd_morsel said:
The word "genius" is reserved for auteurs, artisans and brilliant thinkers. Mr Tiger's songwriting, if he is the one responsible or SNSD, is mimicry.
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Well, he didn't write The Boys. They should have got him to do Soshi's new track, but alas.
He works for a megalomaniac slavedriver called Kim Kwang Soo.
 
The Boys is not one of their better songs, and they're not really good at singing in English, the Korean version sounds better and it's still not that great.

They should've just did Gee or Genie in English, those are just better songs.
 
I don't really like the song, but it's nice to see them get publicity here in the US. I'm hoping that girl and boy bands would make a little comeback sometime, since solo pop singers all the time kinda gets boring.
 
I actually don't mind threads like this every once in a while. I'll click on some SNSD link, get annoyed and then spend the next couple hours listening to the Korean music that I like. Spending time listening to Drunken Tiger, Tasha (Yoon Mirae,) Hahn Dae Soo, Lena Park... it's like reuniting with old friends.

I'm definitely no hippie, but listening to Kim Min Ki and Hahn Dae Soo while lighting some incense definitely gets you in a zen zone.
 
Admittedly, many kpop fans are creepy/pathetic as hell. On soshified (the biggest international fan community for GG) they have download archives. To access them, you either need to post a certain amount of times (20 or 50 depending on which section I think), or you can just become a donator. I chose to become a donator, I am not touching that cess pool.

K-Pop GAF is fine though.

IAmtheFMan said:
Most of my younger cousins in Korea like some of the kpop bands but not nearly to the same fanaticism that I've seen on GAF and the internet, and they're the target demo (12-16.).
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I love how you just made up a target demographic on the spot.

PhoenixDark said:
They can't sing. They can't dance. They lip sync in 2012. They don't write their own music. And their producers are stuck in the 90s boy/girl band era. Can someone explain to me why anyone takes them seriously?
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Most of them can sing very well, all of them can sing. They can dance. From what I can tell, only two of them lip synced in that performance. As for writing your own music, I have alot of respect for those that do so successfully, but it does not make a song better or worse. Also, as someone born in 86, I enjoyed growing up in the 90s. Not gonna hate this music just because you feel their producers are stuck in the 90s.

OpinionatedCyborg said:
if they made catchy music, I would probably love them, creepiness aside. for instance, I think the Backstreet Boys are a horrible band with absolutely no artistic merit or message worth communicating, but I'll be damned if some of their songs aren't insanely catchy and fun to listen to. "the call" is so stupid... but fuck is it catchy and hilariously over dramatic. they use a lot of tried and true chord progressions and harmonies that make some of their songs a lot of fun.
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May I ask if you've heard anything other than The Boys? I can understand not enjoying Girl's Generation, what I do not understand is how you can claim that kpop isn't as catchy pop music in the west. The only difference is the language. Are you sure you aren't turned off because you do not understand the language, or did you really only listen to this shitty version of GGs shittiest promoted song?

Evening Musuko said:
Actually, many K-Pop acts Lip Sync. It's pretty common and accepted when it comes to groups that dance like SNSD. Though from time to time they'll sing live, especially when it comes to ballads. I'm pretty sure they sing live when they're in Japan though.
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Lip syncing anything but the refrain seems rare for most kpop performances. Usually, at most, there is playback in the background, but rarely full on lip syncing.
 
The so-called international success of K-Pop, something I find dubious as a recent Las Vegas event featuring a smorgasbord of "popular" artists could barely fill half the auditorium, is a favorite talking point of the mentally underdeveloped wing
overwhelming majority
of the fanbase. When I suffer from a mental lapse and read YouTube comments, oftentimes I'll see someone seriously proposing that having a lot of English comments on their videos indicates quality and superiority. Those kinds of posts are always frightfully similar.

Happily, the sterile, unimaginative, perverted quality of their product is self-defeating. Increasing their exposure with this kind of trash should strangle their expanded overseas ambitions in the cradle. Nations like Japan, and other similar countries bereft of any culture of musical standards, are the only foreign locales where they can manage to keep a foothold.
 
It's just pop music. Some of you (lovers and haters) are taking it too seriously or trying too hard to troll. lol.
 
I was expecting Nicki Minaj levels of terrible from the responses in here. Girls Generation was just inoffensive? Nicki's video made me want to kill something.
 
I guess "The Boys" is the only major song they have in English so they had to go with it but I still think it's one of their weakest hit songs.

More to the point, Letterman...? Fallon I could sort of understand but the Letterman crowd seems like the wrong demographic to be trying to introduce to k-pop. I doubt k-pop will ever truly become mainstream in the west though because even more than our own pop stars, k-pop idols rely very heavily on image (hence the whole "idol" thing). They are far more than just musical artist in east and a significant portion of their fandom seem to be fans of the artist themselves more than their actual music. Without that idol status, I don't think they could top any charts in the west.
 
questionmark said:
You are right. That is why ghst is so angry, because he is forced to listen to kpop on all the 10 year old SC2 progamers' streams.
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Yep, that would piss me off too!

Everyone in this thread needs to take my advice from a few posts above and listen to some Korean acid folk... Fire up some Kim Min Ki and some Han Dae Soo, light some incense and a smokable substance if so inclined, close your eyes and be at peace.
 
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