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[VALIS]

I really like my 360 but I still think it's a damn shame that Microsoft didn't lose more because how they treated RROD in general.

I had two RRODs and didn't pay a dime to fix them. While I'm not congratulating them for fixing their own mistakes, it's a lot more than most companies do. Get a YLOD and see what happens.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Congrats to them.

 

[Littlegator]

See ?

When I learned English in Japan, we were taught to put a space before "?'s" and "!'S"

It is considered bad form and not recommended by Oxford.

That means don't do it.

I'm not gonna' blame you, though, since that's how you were taught.

 

[Derrick01]

I had two RRODs and didn't pay a dime to fix them. While I'm not congratulating them for fixing their own mistakes, it's a lot more than most companies do. Get a YLOD and see what happens.

Yeah it was never a huge problem for me, and I had 6 RRODs. The closest it became to being a problem was when it happened a couple of weeks before mass effect 1 came out, my most anticipated game ever at the time. Thankfully it came back to me about 2 days before it came out.

 

[xHAASx]

See ?

When I learned English in Japan, we were taught to put a space before "?'s" and "!'S"

In English, however, using this space is thought of as bad form.

 

[Monumental]

The latest data (I apologize in advance for approximating off memory) said that about 2/3 of 360 users connect to Live. About 1/3 of the userbase are paying customers (i.e. Gold).

I know you're trying to make a point that LIVE isn't as big as people make it out to be. BUT you're doing the exact opposite.

Take LIVE as an exclusive game, if 66% of the userbase was playing the game, you'd have the most played game of the generation. Not even Call of Duty pulls that number.

And as for the 1/3 being Gold members...in any generation, about half the sales are to a casual audience that doesn't buy many games. By pushing LIVE and locking in at least 33% of the userbase, Microsoft has developed a hardcore community that buys more games than the userbase of other consoles and that's why the 360 has the highest attach rate as well.

See ?

When I learned English in Japan, we were taught to put a space before "?'s" and "!'S"

Well this explains the bad writing form, the over-the-top JRPG love, and the disdain for Microsoft's software.

 

[Takao]

Nevermind, I don't want to bother with this anymore.

I thought you were my friend Big Boss

 

[TheOddOne]

This thread is already going places.

Begrudging replies are the best to read and are entertaining!

Nice for MS I guess.

 

[Gravijah]

so how 'bout them xbox numbers

 

[AngelSoldier]

Not even going to attempt to go back on my schooling to please a couple of GAF'ers. Besides, it's become a habit at this point.

English was hard enough to learn period.

 

[jump_button]

because niche exclusives only matter in message board list wars

in the real world xbox live and call of duty map packs can do more business than most things from their competition combined. MS' business strategy changed from last gen when they owned studios and churned out so called exclusives that no one outside of a select few cared about. Supporting 3rd parties and advertising them as 360 games first (COD, skyrim, madden) have benefited them alot this gen. plus you throw in the 1 or 2 big games a yea like halo gears forza and you get the results they are getting

Well Im happy for 360 to be the new home of all the new Shovelware that been coming out for the poor Wii hope they keep away from Wii U

ps some what joking

 

[Monumental]

Not even going to attempt to go back on my schooling to please a couple of GAF'ers. Besides, it's become a habit at this point.

English was hard enough to learn period.

Notice how by pointing out ONE misplaced letter in one word you've derailed this entire topic, all because you wanted to side-step an point made against you.

Well Im happy for 360 to be the new home of all the new Shovelware that been coming out for the poor Wii hope they keep away from Wii U

ps some what joking

I wonder, are you dizzy from all that spin?

 

[Uno Venova]

Well I think it's rather short sighted to be pointing to only casuals. All previous generations have had consoles that broadened their appeal and mindshare without people spinning it as a negative. What's the difference between MS broadening their market with Kinect and Sony broadening their market last gen with the EyeToy?

The only reason it's a negative here is that's their main focus now, so much they hardly support core games anymore.

 

[Takao]

so how 'bout them xbox numbers

Don Mattrick avenged.

 

[xHAASx]

Not even going to attempt to go back on my schooling to please a couple of GAF'ers. Besides, it's become a habit at this point.

English was hard enough to learn period.

Simmer down, I'm merely jesting.

 

[leobebes]

I played less than that, as I picked up a PS3 and made a concerted effort to switch to that. It kinda blows that the PS3 user experience is inferior in every way to the 360's but it's a price I'm willing to pay in order to send the message that I'm not paying to play online.

So brave

 

[szaromir]

The only reason it's a negative here is that's their main focus now, so much they hardly support core games anymore.

Eh, third parties release dozens of quality AA/AAA games a year, Microsoft are doing wisely to focus on areas not covered by third parties. The last time they directly clashed with a third party release (Alan Wake vs Red Dead Redemption), it didn't turn out so well for them.

 

[Lothars]

I had two RRODs and didn't pay a dime to fix them. While I'm not congratulating them for fixing their own mistakes, it's a lot more than most companies do. Get a YLOD and see what happens.

Yeah it was never a huge problem for me, and I had 6 RRODs. The closest it became to being a problem was when it happened a couple of weeks before mass effect 1 came out, my most anticipated game ever at the time. Thankfully it came back to me about 2 days before it came out.

I've had 4 RROD's and I never had to pay for them to be repaired which is the only good thing about the situation, It's the point of Microsoft rushing out hardware than just throwing money at it when the problem was widespread to make it go away, I still feel they got off easy on the RROD.

It's good for microsoft, they were able to turn it around this generation, I enjoy playing with friends on my 360 and I am not getting rid of it or not buying games for it.

 

[Satchel]

So much for the ps3 taking over the 360 worldwide.

Once Microsoft drops the price, that will be the slitting of the throat.

 

[StevieP]

I know you're trying to make a point that LIVE isn't as big as people make it out to be. BUT you're doing the exact opposite.

Take LIVE as an exclusive game, if 66% of the userbase was playing the game, you'd have the most played game of the generation. Not even Call of Duty pulls that number.

Mario Kart Wii is the top selling game of this generation (short of Wii Sports, which some don't count at about 77 million) at approximately 34 million people. That's more than 1/3 the userbase.

Luckily for us, Live is not a game - but is a service. One which will be more important in the future but is not a tangible piece of software. Apples to Oranges and all that.

The 2/3 figure came from Microsoft recently I believe. Nintendo also recently boasted that 60% of their 3DS users were connected online. In 2010, Sony boasted that 78% of their users connected to PSN. Those are not, however, numbers directly from the people who run the service (it was a market research group) as the MS and Nintendo numbers were - so I wouldn't take those as any kind of real indicator.

And as for the 1/3 being Gold members...in any generation, about half the sales are to a casual audience that doesn't buy many games. By pushing LIVE and locking in at least 33% of the userbase, Microsoft has developed a hardcore community that buys more games than the userbase of other consoles and that's why the 360 has the highest attach rate as well.

They certainly do buy more games.

 

[KageMaru]

The only reason it's a negative here is that's their main focus now, so much they hardly support core games anymore.

I don't think it's fair to consider it their main focus really, by that I mean casuals. Granted I will agree that they are making a big push for Kinect, but that should be expected and doesn't necessarily mean every one of their games are casual.

Besides, according to some here, MS hardly provided many core games even before Kinect was launched =p

It's lose lose for them with some people around here basically.

Edit:

I've had 4 RROD's and I never had to pay for them to be repaired which is the only good thing about the situation, It's the point of Microsoft rushing out hardware than just throwing money at it when the problem was widespread to make it go away, I still feel they got off easy on the RROD.

They lost billions and dealt a good deal of damage to the 360's brand. What more would you like to happen to them? Honest question since I agree they did a poor job addressing it early this gen, but they have paid for this mishandling IMO.

 

[Derrick01]

Well this explains the bad writing form, the over-the-top JRPG love, and the disdain for Microsoft's software.

Try me next. You'll have to try a lot harder than "weeaboo" to dismiss my criticism of MS though because I'm pretty much the furthest thing from that on this board.

 

[Monumental]

I've had 4 RROD's and I never had to pay for them to be repaired which is the only good thing about the situation, It's the point of Microsoft rushing out hardware than just throwing money at it when the problem was widespread but it's okay they did that? I still feel they got off easy on the RROD.

MONEY is the reason and the punishment.
Microsoft rushed so they can get ahead and become leaders in the marketplace....so that they can make more money.
When that plan lead to hardware failures, they had to pay the price, with billions of dollars of money and a bad rep for years.

What more did you want from them? Hardware has NOT been an issue since late 2007/early 2008. How else should they be punished?

 

[xHAASx]

So much for the ps3 taking over the 360 worldwide.

Once Microsoft drops the price, that will be the slitting of the throat.

 

[Curufinwe]

They certainly do buy more games.

In America they do, but this is a global sales thread, so you really need the worldwide attach rates.

 

[xHAASx]

In America they do, but this is a global sales thread, so you really need the worldwide attach rates.

Then, provide us with them.

 

[Tomasooie]

Well this explains the bad writing form, the over-the-top JRPG love, and the disdain for Microsoft's software.

ULTRAAAAA COMBOOOOOOO!

 

[Boney]

Not even going to attempt to go back on my schooling to please a couple of GAF'ers. Besides, it's become a habit at this point.

English was hard enough to learn period.

Don't worry you have a pretty good english. This is coming from a non native speaker as well.

 

[Monumental]

Mario Kart Wii is the top selling game of this generation (short of Wii Sports, which some don't count at about 77 million) at approximately 34 million people. That's more than 1/3 the userbase.

Luckily for us, Live is not a game - but is a service. One which will be more important in the future but is not a tangible piece of software. Apples to Oranges and all that.

Well people pay for LIVE every year. So if you wanted to compare it to a game, then Nintendo would have to release a Mario Kart EVERY YEAR that sold to over 1/3 of the base. Somehow, I don't think they'll be able to do that.

 

[Lothars]

MONEY is the reason and the punishment.
Microsoft rushed so they can get ahead and become leaders in the marketplace....so that they can make more money.
When that plan lead to hardware failures, they had to pay the price, with billions of dollars of money and a bad rep for years.

What more did you want from them? Hardware has NOT been an issue since late 2007/early 2008. How else should they be punished?

Hardware has been an issue for them until the Slim was released and it seems like the Slim has made a difference in quality, If anything I would like to see them be better with the hardware quality next generation and not rush it out but you know what it probably won't make a difference.

 

[Uno Venova]

Eh, third parties release dozens of quality AA/AAA games a year, Microsoft are doing wisely to focus on areas not covered by third parties. The last time they directly clashed with a third party release (Alan Wake vs Red Dead Redemption), it didn't turn out so well for them.

Then they shouldn't just give up, they should be smarter with release dates and promotion. And third parties release games you can get anywhere else.

 

[Satchel]

In America they do, but this is a global sales thread, so you really need the worldwide attach rates.

It would be much closer worldwide. I know that in Australia, the ps3 version of multiplats always outsells the 360 version. Well, almost always. But the attach rate here would be very very close.

Worldwide, you'd still probably have the 360 in front, but. Toby the gap the us has.

 

[RukusProvider]

Don't worry you have a pretty good english. This is coming from a non native speaker as well.

It's tact and class that he is missing.

 

[M_A_C]

I'm surprised PS3 is doing as well as it is.

 

[KageMaru]

Hardware has been an issue for them until the Slim was released and it seems like the Slim has made a difference in quality, If anything I would like to see them be better with the hardware quality next generation and not rush it out but you know what it won't make a difference.

Actually, and I could be wrong here, but I believe the issues were completely fixed with the Jasper board. Of course you'll still have units die, especially with the disc drive, but the actual faulty design found at launch was fixed before the slim release IIRC. I believe someone here was keeping track of posts in the 360 died thread and made note how the number of dead units dropped significantly with the jasper release.

Also I don't see MS making the same mistake next gen, just like I don't see Sony releasing another $600 monster next gen. These companies do learn from their billion dollar mistakes =p

 

[jump_button]

Well people pay for LIVE every year. So if you wanted to compare it to a game, then Nintendo would have to release a Mario Kart EVERY YEAR that sold to over 1/3 of the base. Somehow, I don't think they'll be able to do that.

Well Big N didn't have to give away free Mario kart's every now and then and I think im right in saying its a slow burner it sell well year later like New Mario bros wii

-_- Junior's are really getting to me now

 

[AngelSoldier]

Well this explains the bad writing form, the over-the-top JRPG love, and the disdain for Microsoft's software.

ULTRAAAAA COMBOOOOOOO!

thatsracist.gif

:lol

 

[Dabanton]

So much for the ps3 taking over the 360 worldwide.

Once Microsoft drops the price, that will be the slitting of the throat.

It's crazy to think MS still has that up it's sleeve.

 

[Souldriver]

Weird how this generation is about the end so abruptly, considering the HD twins are finally doing okay. But since we're 7 years into this generation, it's about time.

Only for Nintendo this generation has had the typical sales curve, although one of extremes: big spike, big dive, short timespan.

 

[Lebron]

But people told me they only do well in America!!!



Congrats, MS. How they managed to turn things around, sales wise, is pretty amazing. Also, there might just be more salt in this thread than in the Pacific ocean. Oh man, talk about hurt feelings.

 

[Brimstone]

Xbox 720 = 2014

 

[Lothars]

Also I don't see MS making the same mistake next gen, just like I don't see Sony releasing another $600 monster next gen. These companies do learn from their billion dollar mistakes =p

I hope your right but I won't believe it till I see it, no matter next gen will be interesting.

 

[KageMaru]

Weird how this generation is about the end so abruptly, considering the HD twins are finally doing okay. But since we're 7 years into this generation, it's about time.

Only for Nintendo this generation has had the typical sales curve, although one of extremes: big spike, big dive, short timespan.

This gen isn't going anywhere just because the Wii-U is launching =p

I hope your right but I won't believe it till I see it, no matter next gen will be interesting.

Agreed, it will be interesting indeed.

 

[szaromir]

Then they shouldn't just give up, they should be smarter with release dates and promotion. And third parties release games you can get anywhere else.

One would think going for business practices that involve high risk and low reward is not advisable. Even if they fund an innovative "hardcore" game with $50M chances of them getting the next Halo or Gears in the current environment are very unlikely. So they explore opportunities elsewhere.

 

[EagleEyes]

Then they shouldn't just give up, they should be smarter with release dates and promotion. And third parties release games you can get anywhere else.

They haven't given up. They have just gone to a different business model. They release 2 or 3 AAA big games every year and secure quite a few exclusive smaller downloadable games on XBLA. Then they do promote those games with yearly promotions thoughout the year. It amazes me that people still want to discount games just because they are on XBLA.

 

[Uno Venova]

One would think going for business practices that involve high risk and low reward is not advisable. Even if they fund an innovative "hardcore" game with $50M chances of them getting the next Halo or Gears in the current environment are very unlikely. So they explore opportunities elsewhere.

There is a nice middle ground between hardly trying and spending 50 million dollars.

And I don't think pushing Alan Wake further away from RDR would have been that much of high risk.

They haven't given up. They have just gone to a different business model. They release 2 or 3 AAA big games every year and secure quite a few exclusive smaller downloadable games on XBLA. Then they do promote those games with yearly promotions thoughout the year. It amazes me that people still want to discount games just because they are on XBLA.

Yeah, your're interested in all of those AAA games then you've got 2 or 3 great games for an entire year. That's terrible. God forbid there is one or two that don't interest you

 

[sleepykyo]

No.

Which movie is this?

 

[cyberheater]

So basically, there is never going to be the year for PS3 then.

 

[Monumental]

Well Big N didn't have to give away free Mario kart's every now and then and I think im right in saying its a slow burner it sell well year later like New Mario bros wii

-_- Junior's are really getting to me now

Wow, you're the one taking the analogy so far. I bet a large amount of those Mario Kart sales where lower than $40, and even then Nintendo gets a small cut of that (like closer to $28). So please stop with this analogy. Its not the juniors getting to you, its your need to spin positive news about Microsoft, like you were doing earlier with the shovelware comment.

 

[cyberheater]

Which movie is this?

Hot Fuzz. Brilliant movie.