iamshadowlark
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Im pretty sure thats still the case. There not bad in europe though.
For the first time ever Xbox 360 tops PS3/Wii in Yearly global sales (14.9/14.1/10.3)
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Im pretty sure thats still the case. There not bad in europe though.
Speaking of that, anyone want to guess when Microsoft will drop the price and how much? $199 250GB S model by May? Other models? A $99 4GB model would be like bomb in retail.
Souldriver
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It most definitely will. All three of them are pushing their plans for their next gen console forward based on the notion they can't be late into the new generation. The idea of having this generation last for 8+ years would be unseen, btw.
imo
Sales? With considerable certainty, no.
No.
They had that timeslot announced for months before Rockstar decided to release RDR exactly on the first day.
Biggest 3rd party games do cost upwards of $50M nowadays (plus marketing costs) and you have to shell out as much to compete with them, without the prospects of ever reaching majority of PS3 or PC owners. I really don't know how MS's lineup for this year is going to turn out, on XBLA it's going to be excellent, I have no clue about their retail releases, but the same's true about Sony and Nintendo, so...
Hero_of_the_Day
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I thought you were my friend Big Boss
Haha. Just made me laugh reading through the whole first page like that. Had to go to the next persons post to see what you had said.
Monumental
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Large amount doesn't mean majority, and aside from the first few months ALL retailers have discounts and deals. ALL. Now that number might be $45 or $50, but it's not $60, especially since nintendo bundles the Wii Wheel in there.
Punchpudding
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RE: exclusives
You manage a music platform selling music online (think iTunes). You hold the largest chunk of the market because of your superior software, network, and relationships with record labels. Do you:
a) continue investing in software updates and user experience
b) continue investing in strong record label relationships
c) sign bands to expensive exclusive contracts on your service
Your answer and your stance on MS first party games may surprise you!
You manage a music platform selling music online (think iTunes). You hold the largest chunk of the market because of your superior software, network, and relationships with record labels. Do you:
a) continue investing in software updates and user experience
b) continue investing in strong record label relationships
c) sign bands to expensive exclusive contracts on your service
Your answer and your stance on MS first party games may surprise you!
AngelSoldier
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If the 250 GB model does drop low enough, I'll pick one up just for Halo CE HD, and that one Atlus SRPG ... It's name escapes me at the moment.
I kinda do miss my 50K gamerscore, but Platinum's are a bit better for showing off.
Mario Kart Wii retailed for $49.99. For most of its release life.
Ask Sales-Age GAF what "Evergreen" means.
Not sure what point you're trying to make, though.
Not really, they do very well in UK and Mexico (first currently, not overall in UK) and pretty well in Europe as you say. I saw a gif the other day and Kinect Sports was the highest selling game in Taiwan I believe.
Great feat for Xbox and Microsoft
jump_button
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They hand out LIVE like free candy, I'll be shock if anyone had to pay for LIVE for a long time And Im sure they don't sell in the shop at full if you had too. Casual "or better know as shovelware" have been moving more and more on to 360 its a good thing they sell more 360's just not games
Hang on, now. I just posted that 2/3 of 360 users connect to Live and 1/3 of 360 users are paying (Live Gold) members.
Every successful console gets (and needs) shovelware, btw.
What? Where was I when LIVE cards were free or even discounted more than 1/3rd?
Mario Kart has been a bundled game for the past year, so...
Uno Venova
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When did they announce the date for RDR? I don't recall. I don't have any sources on hand but most big exclusives games I see aren't 50M.
And the PS3 does have a good list of games slated for 2012, no dates though, besides TM.
So multi-plats don't exist in this world? I picked up around 3 exclusives for each system this year but the vast majority have been multi-platform titles.
Unless you hate the system/company I don't see why someone wouldn't get a game like skyrim on the 360.
Unless I'm missing your point here.
I just meant that current gen systems will be the main money maker for the first couple years leading into next gen, just like every previous gen before.
I also don't see next gen being the primary focus until all 3 systems are out.
AngelSoldier
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Not free, but often times online retailers drop the price of XBL subscription cards drastically. Amazon loves to do it.
On black friday and the week of Christmas RadioShack was selling XBL 1 year cards for like 20ish.
What are those games? In which cases you firmly know what the game will play like and that it's going to be good? I think they showed something of Starhawk and it looked stellar, beyond that I can't recall anything... Even moreso I don't see which SOny's game could have an appeal comparable to Skyrim or Call of Duty.
Uno Venova
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Of course they exist but they can be found elsewhere, I'm interested in what the 360 brings to the table, which is not much, and that's my problem.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=457926
AngelSoldier
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Careful now, they might call you a troll too !
Because they have a PC maybe? I mean unless we're disqualifying PC for some reason.
If you have a PC and PS3 it's hard to justify having a 360. Friends who stayed so you basically have to stay to play online games is probably the only big reason I can think of.
Thanks. As I thought, not much.
Most? It's still $49.99.
Not really. Been saying for years that the Wii's defining attraction was it's gameplay, waggle. And, once X360 and PS3 got theirs, why would anyone want waggle & shitty graphics vs waggle & HD graphics. People say graphics don't make a difference, but it does when it's on a even playing field.
Uno Venova
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To make an impact on the bottom line, ie. console sales?
So it's about graphics? Yeah, that's contentious.
Given Move isn't setting the world alight (still below 10m Move controllers sold WW after a year, 4 months isn't it?, and that isn't even possible userbase as a portion will buy 2+ controllers) and Kinect wasn't as steller in the holiday season as people expected (probably only around 5m, 3m bundles, 2m standalone at a guess.) That's 3m/8.2m~ 360's that were Kinect bundles.
Wii just peaked like consoles of past always did after their 3rd year. It was a very consumer driven product and once they were off to the next thing (iPhones and iPads) it doesn't matter what 360 and PS3 offered, Wii was gonna drop hard. That's not to say Kinect hasn't had some impact, at least in the states.
Ok it's obvious that you're not interested in the exclusives they do provide, but you still have the option to play the superior version (when it's the case obviously) which is why i mentioned multi-plats and skyrim.
I have friends that ask me why i bother owning a ps3 when i usually only pick up 5 or less titles a year. I tell them its for the few exclusives I'm interested and the option to have better multi-plats when they turn out better on the ps3 (like SR3).
That's the point I'm trying to make basically.
It's apparent he doesn't care for the 360 but I'm not going to call him a troll over his preferences.
Uno Venova
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But they dont need an appeal comparable to COD for that.
Yes, once everyone on same playing field. That's why Nintendo is trying a different field, "tablet" like device, with the Wii U. If Microsoft and/or Sony comes out with something similar and more powerful, could be repeat of this gen.
It shall be brought to light...
They do or am I reading the thread title incorrectly? That the console with supposedly the least amount of "hardcore" games (as you're suggesting) sold the most?
Oh you.
Uno Venova
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That definitely mattered early on in the generation no question about it, but today majority of multiplats have neligible differences between the two console versions. Now there is little reason to get one console version over the other when it comes to performance and graphics, now it all comes down to controllers and friends, so I just get all the multiplats on my main console.So one point 360 had over PS3 hardly matters today, couple that with the small amount of exclusives and it just doesn't get much use.
I am interested in the exclusives they provide (Halo 4, Alan Wake somewhat) , the problem is there is so little of them.
I openly admit I made that post under the assumption he didn't have a gaming PC and I can definitely see how a 360 would be less attractive if you do have one (though I'd still prefer to have all 3 myself =D)
PS Move wasn't goig to be remotely success due to Kinect. If Kinect didn't exist, I would bet it would be beating out Wii. X360 and PS3 sales beating Wii points to this.
As for Wii dropping rate, it is way faster than all other 1st place consoles in history so it's more than just that's the way it is.
Microsoft will have published 10+ titles in 2012, you really need that much more? I can imagine now you'll start playing the "games x/y/z don't count because (...)", but you can do that with any platform.
Uno Venova
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2 questions. What's the list of published titles, and why is the bolded a problem?
Why do you continue to ignore downloadable titles? Its obvious that its a major part of Microsofts plan.
Be honest. How many of those are Kinect games?
and yes it does matter, seeing as Kinect and their focus shift is the main reason I no longer have a 360.
I think there is truth to your point, but then again you keep repeating that they are not focusing on the core anymore. There is no real info to back this up, you can make assumptions -- but those are assumptions.We've had this debate a couple of times already, but people seem to be discarding actual real info coming out of MS.
Their hiring pages show that they have been focusing on "Core" games, created a 200+ studio to support Halo, The Vancouver studio that has been working on a new IP (note that all Kinect mentions have been removed since last year and they have hired the senior designer from Crysis) and opening new studios that we for most part do not know what they are doing.
Next to that their XBLA published efforts have increased, publishing a lot of intresting IP's on that platform. It's always been looked over when people discuss exclusives, but they do count as much as any retail game.
I see. Well while the differences are usually negligible, you still have the cases like skyrim or SR3 where the differences are more pronounced, so having the option is still nice IMO. I wouldn't be too happy with skyrim on the ps3 or SR3 on the 360 for example.
Just so I have a better understanding, in general, what are the exclusives you're interested in?
huh what are the 10 titles? Not trying to start a list war but I only know of halo 4, Alan wake, project Draco, and trials. I'm sure I'm forgetting a xbla game or two but I didn't think we had a good idea regarding their line up this year.
AndrewDean84xX
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I'm not sure if it's funny seeing a select few fighting a losing battle, or sad. Oh well, what else is new to the interwebz.