TheExplodingHead
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Star Fox (especially on-rails) would be a total waste of Retro's particular talents. Not to mention when a much better dev for these types of games is available.
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Star Fox (especially on-rails) would be a total waste of Retro's particular talents. Not to mention when a much better dev for these types of games is available.
The Main Event
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Yup. Leave it to Treasure.
TheExplodingHead
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Exactly, as great as Retro is...Treasure would destroy them when it comes to a space shooter of some sort. Not to mention with the proper Nintendo funding.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I agree.
If Retro is actually doing a Star Fox, I'd want it to be similar to Star Fox Adventure.
I guess flying shooters aren't my favorite genre so I am biased.
Retro could do a great Star Fox though, it just kind of would be ho-hum to me in hype.
Dynamite Ringo Matsuri
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Whatever ends up getting developed, I hope Retro get a crack at their own IP next gen. I'd love to see what they can cook up if left to their own devices
AceBandage
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We have seen that...
Though, to be fair, that was before they got restructured.
On the other hand, they are Retro. The studio basically created to restore and update older franchises.
Forsaken82
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AceBandage
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Nintendo is Retro.
Retro is Nintendo.
Regardless of what they do, Nintendo is involved...
There are some gameplay clips on Youtube, it looks godawful.
Unlikely, their studio was an absolute fucking mess before Nintendo bought them.
They could probably make something great out of it now, but I don't think it's worth their time and resources to be honest.
Femmeworth
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Austin is technically still closer to Japan than Dallas.
Jorok Goldblade
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Here's a pretty in-depth history of Retro article that details a lot of their unfinished projects. It seems crazy now that they were working an a football game that Nintendo wouldn't let them put Mario characters in.
http://www.n-sider.com/contentview.php?contentid=267
http://www.n-sider.com/contentview.php?contentid=267
Ignis Fatuus
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I wonder if Nintendo had any clue what they would end up getting when they made that bargain bin purchase.
Eggplant Wizard
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Oh man, why didn't I think of Eternal Darkness? It totally fits with AceBandage's rationale that they want a game to fit in with third party offerings too. Imagine an Eternal Darkness with all of the rough gameplay edges sanded off.
Although I will say that I'm a bigger fan of Metroid/Zelda-style gameplay, but I'd be willing to make an exception for Eternal Darkness since it's so unique.
Anticitizen One
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Nintendo should move their development studios to Austin not the other way around
Also I'm pretty sure silicon knights is making eternal darkness 2
Also I'm pretty sure silicon knights is making eternal darkness 2
I definitely think that is more likely, given their statements on what game they are making and Nintendo trademarking ED again.
Ignis Fatuus
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E3 this year is going to be insane. Nintendo can drop Pikmin 3, Retro's new project, possibly Eternal Darkness 2, and who knows what else for the WiiU. So many of their studios have been silent and are presumably gearing up for next gen.
I played it for the first time last year (well, I didn't finish it because I got distracted with newer stuff, gotta go back to it), and while it is a bit rough on the technical side, it's still amazing. A new one on Wii U could be even more so.
Silicon Knights making it is possible too, when they commented on making a game for the next generation in November I immediately thought ED 2 on Wii U (especially as they wouldn't have dev kits for the other consoles yet), but there are still some people referring to PS360 as next gen, and I'm not sure Nintendo would work with them on it seeing as they own the IP and SK hasn't made anything of quality in quite a while (though that could be remedied if it's a collaboration, much the same way as Next Level Games making great games pretty much only when they work with Nintendo).
Yeah its been pretty obvious with the massive Wii droughts in 2011 and this year. With Iwata constantly mentioning that they have learned their lesson from the 3ds launch, they just have to have some heavy hitters ready for Wii U launch.
Exactly, and Nintendo's silence just makes it more exciting. Above all I hope we get a glimpse of EAD Tokyo's next Mario game on Wii U, and maybe even a CG Smash Bros trailer that shows some new characters, the latter is unlikely though. But outside of the stuff you mentioned there's still the possibility of Monster's game, Good Feel's game, WarioWare maybe, all the Wii__ games, Monolith's game, yeah it's certainly gonna be a good E3 for Nintendo.
I would love a "All your History" about Retro.
Why wouldn't they let their other, semi-owned studio, Silicon Knights, make another ED instead?
Ignis Fatuus
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You're very confused. Nintendo has no shares in Silicon Knights, no (current) second party agreement, no special relationship. Hence why Silicon Knights has been developing stuff for the competition this entire past generation.
Retro Studios is a wholly owned subsidiary of Nintendo, it is just as much a part of Nintendo as EAD.
Silicon Knights isn't exactly a top tier studio these days.
I thought they still owned like 10% of it? Not sure though...
Either way it's probably not a good idea to let Silicon Knights as they are now make it, since Nintendo owns the IP there is no reason to give it to the D-team that is SK.
Ignis Fatuus
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With Nintendo looking over their shoulder I think it would turn out alright. Their central management has a way of keeping things on the right track.
Yeah like I mentioned above with the comparison to the way they work with Next Level Games who basically only make licensed crap outside of their Nintendo games, I just think it would be better to let Retro go crazy with a horror game. Their existing art team along with these new employees would be great for that, the atmosphere would be amazing. Also I think Kenji Yamamoto could make a sweet horror soundtrack.
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2010/annual1003e.pdf
page 47
Affiliate company with equity method applied: Silicon Knights
Ignis Fatuus
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Not only is that out of date, but it wouldn't change the fact that Retro is not "semi-owned" and its relationship with Nintendo has essentially nothing in common with Silicon Knights.
I didn't particularly want to say that, sorry. I know that Retro is fully owned by Nintendo. It should've been clear though that this wasn't even the point I was making...
Still, you are wrong in saying that Nintendo has no shares in SK when they have a considerable stake, you can verify that by looking at the annual report of the past few years. I only linked to the 2010 report as they are not directly named in 2011, they are just something like "and two other foreign firms" or so. So please abstain from posting false information in the future if you are not really sure about it.
Ignis Fatuus
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You first. There's no other way to read "their other semi-owned studio". You thought Retro was a second party.
Then how are you so sure those assets have not been sold?
I see it's badly worded but I'm not an idiot, sorry.
Of course, they could've sold their stake since March 2011 when the last annual report was published. But how likely is that if they haven't done anything in the past 5 years and nobody's willing to buy SK assets right now?
Ignis Fatuus
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29873511&postcount=1
Should be evidence enough.
If you're onto that, you could also say it's not certain that Retro is still owned by Nintendo, right? Nothing's certain then?
I don't think we need to continue this discussion.
I hope not. Those Star Fox characters were so out of place in Star Fox adventures. It would be a phenomenal waste of talent.
Anyway I dont see all the fuss with this series. Fox Mcloud is Nintendo's worst designed character, worse than Tingle. He is totally awkward. The series is also grossly over rated, the last good game was Star Fox 64 - and you could clock that game in under an hour easily. Gameplay wise the series pales in comparison to serious arcade shooters like Ikaruga and Bangai-O. Heck even all the Rogue Squadron game series were better!
pretty much. it gets a lot of talk because it's a nintendo franchise.
If there ever was a sequel or if nintendo fans really wanted one i don't know why they wouldn't want treasure handling it.
Star Fox isn't about beating the game, it's all about score attack runs and earning the gold medals.
Retro should do something bigger than Star Fox anyway. If Nintendo is interested in a new Star Fox game, Treasure and Platinum Games are, by far, the best choices.
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