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[royalan]

Just because she has a BIGGER voice doesn't equal better talent. It's all about artistry and technique and she is a mess, especially with her ad libs. Mariah is one of the top divas with good artistry.

I don't understand this. Her technique was was set her apart from all the pop starlet trash that popped out of the era. Shouting issues aside, Christina has superb technique. There's a reason why greats like Whitney and Aretha applauded her covers of their hits and anointment her with the title of "The Voice."

Oh, and her performance of At Last at Etta's funeral was amazing, and as raw as Etta herself sang it live.

 

[Styles]

WTF, Cyno? Why ya gotta be so mean?

 

[Rocket Punch]

Why is Xtincta Aguisquirta even present in stan wars anyways. She never got past the Britney Vs Xtincta clash. She was soundly defeated then and she's been irelevant ever since.

Xtincta is small potatoes compared to the likes of Madonna, Cher, Kiley and even Beyonce. She never got past the 'When to wear a Tampon Diva Lesson.'

 

[royalan]

Why is Xtincta Aguisquirta even present in stan wars anyways. She never got past the Britney Vs Xtincta clash. She was soundly defeated then and she's been irelevant ever since.

Xtincta is small potatoes compared to the likes of Madonna, Cher, Kiley and even Beyonce. She never got past the 'When to wear a Tampon Diva Lesson.'

Beyonce covers "At Last" and Etta publicly trashes it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H9FdxDulG0


Christina covers it, and, well...

 

[Majmun]

Etta was just bitter over Bee's performace. Mad that the president didn't chose her to sing her own song.

Bee's performance was impeccable

 

[freenudemacusers]

Oh, and her performance of At Last at Etta's funeral was amazing, and as raw as Etta herself sang it live.

You could say she flooded the stage, and nearly drowned the audience, in a deluge of rawness.

 

[Cynosure]

edit:
(retracted sympathy)

 

[Phonomezer]

You could say she flooded the stage, and nearly drowned the audience, in a deluge of rawness.

A similar description could be applied to Xtincta's performance at the funeral.

 

[royalan]

Etta was just bitter over Bee's performace. Mad that the president didn't chose her to sing her own song.

Bee's performance was impeccable

Eh, I thought Beyonce's performance was technically competent, but boring.

But that's my problem with most of Beyonce's covers. She's one of our generation's finest singers, but she rarely brings the same energy she has in her own music to covers. I think Christina has a much better track record in this regard.


Anyway, back to being on topic, lol.

I watched this video again, and the more I hear this song the more pathetic it sounds to me. I mean, Madonna's at the point in her career where veteran performers either stick to what they're good at or experiment. The young Madonna used to experiment and be a trend-setter with her sound. Everything about this song is just reaching for relevance.

Bland bubblegum-pop production of the type she used to distance herself from? Throw in an unnecessary verse from Nicki Minaj for relevance and an even more unnecessary verse from M.I.A. for "cred" and this song is just a messy attempt at being current. The best thing you can say about it is that it's inoffensive, and that's about the most backhanded compliment you could give an artist of Madonna's caliber.

Visually she's a great as ever, but musically I don't know why she'd tarnish her legacy like this.

 

[Mumei]

I don't understand this. Her technique was was set her apart from all the pop starlet trash that popped out of the era. Shouting issues aside, Christina has superb technique. There's a reason why greats like Whitney and Aretha applauded her covers of their hits and anointment her with the title of "The Voice."

I think Kyon was right that it was primarily about how big her voice was (and her range, since she was the first singer since Mariah to be hitting those high 6th and even touching 7th octave notes, though she didn't have Mariah's flexibility in that range).

You can say what you want, but Aguilera is more talented than both Britney and Madonna combined.

And speaking of Madonna, I've always thought that she seems to have this sort of... quintessentially 'pop' quality to her voice.

 

[Cynosure]

And speaking of Madonna, I've always thought that she seems to have this sort of... quintessentially 'pop' quality to her voice.

Cher said it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2ud1GqmYo


Her "voice" is her creativity.

 

[royalan]

I think Kyon was right that it was primarily about how big her voice was (and her range, since she was the first singer since Mariah to be hitting those high 6th and even touching 7th octave notes, though she didn't have Mariah's flexibility in that range).

True, but lets not forget that there were several singers out back then who had impressive ranges. Most notably Jessica Simpson - who could match Christina almost note for note in those days, but didn't have nearly the same level of control or technique that Christina did.

There are plenty of girls out there that can get on stage and belt a Whitney tune if we're just talking notes. But doing it with even half the finesse and flourish as Whitney? Next to impossible, but Christina came close.

Cher said it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2ud1GqmYo


Her "voice" is her creativity.

DAMN. How have I never seen this??? Cher threw shade with conviction...

 

[sphinx]

what are stans doing in a MADONNA thread, talking about every pesky brat who has perhaps been popular for maybe a 3rd of Madonna's queendom??

Madonna makes all of them her bitches, with bony arms, wrinkles and everything she will not be surpassed by any young pop diva.

 

[Mumei]

True, but lets not forget that there were several singers out back then who had impressive ranges. Most notably Jessica Simpson - who could match Christina almost note for note in those days, but didn't have nearly the same level of control or technique that Christina did.

There are plenty of girls out there that can get on stage and belt a Whitney tune. But doing it with even half the finesse and flourish as Whitney? Next to impossible, but Christina came close.

Well, yes.

Christina is not a bad singer, but when she starts belting higher she doesn't keep her larynx neutral but allows it to pull up. There are singers who are much, much worse about that than her (notable example: Jessica Simpson), but it's what makes her sound strained and constricted up there, and it causes her voice to break, her to go flat, etc.

Cher said it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z2ud1GqmYo

Her "voice" is her creativity.

Heh. I think I've seen that before. Amusing.

 

[royalan]

Well, yes.

Christina is not a bad singer, but when she starts belting higher she doesn't keep her larynx neutral but allows it to pull up. There are singers who are much, much worse about that than her (notable example: Jessica Simpson), but it's what makes her sound strained and constricted up there, and it causes her voice to break, her to go flat, etc.

Heh. I think I've seen that before. Amusing.

Eh, you may be right. But I like the color it adds to her vocals. Especially when used sparingly.

 

[freenudemacusers]

what are stans doing in a MADONNA thread, talking about every pesky brat who has perhaps been popular for maybe a 3rd of Madonna's queendom??

Madonna makes all of them her bitches, with bony arms, wrinkles and everything she will not be surpassed by any young pop diva.

blood being drawn tonight

 

[Cosmic Bus]

what are stans doing in a MADONNA thread, talking about every pesky brat who has perhaps been popular for maybe a 3rd of Madonna's queendom??

Madonna makes all of them her bitches, with bony arms, wrinkles and everything she will not be surpassed by any young pop diva.

Pretty much. I keep hoping the album OT next month won't dissolve into these dumb stan gif wars by the end of the first page and we can just talk about Madonna being awesome, but yeah... that would be naive.

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

How 'bout that Ray of Light?

 

[Mumei]

Pretty much. I keep hoping the album OT next month won't dissolve into these dumb stan gif wars by the end of the first page and we can just talk about Madonna being awesome, but yeah... that would be naive.

Fiiiine. I'll be good.

For someone who is not a *huge* Madonna fan (we are talking about me!) and therefore is unaware of a lot of her songs, what is one of your favorite songs of hers that isn't as well known?

 

[lenovox1]

[. . .]There are plenty of girls out there that can get on stage and belt a Whitney tune if we're just talking notes. But doing it with even half the finesse and flourish as Whitney? Next to impossible, but Christina came close.

I don't know. It's true that Christina has the power of a hurricane, and she made riffing absolutely bog standard in pop music. But, for me, it's hard to compare her to Whitney as vocalist. One of the things that make that comparison difficult for me is Whitney could compare with some of the best belters on Broadway, while Christina just can't. But it's obviously not the type of singer Christina's trying to be, so I'm not going to hold her music up to that standard.

On-topic: I hate this thread for embedding Give Me All Your Luvin' into my brain. It's just not a great song, but damned if I'm not singing it all the time.

ETA: Mumei, You Must Love Me won an Oscar. It's not the best song in the score, but it is one of her better vocal performances.

 

[royalan]

Fiiiine. I'll be good.

For someone who is not a *huge* Madonna fan (we are talking about me!) and therefore is unaware of a lot of her songs, what is one of your favorite songs of hers that isn't as well known?

Take a Bow - sure, it's not the most obscure song by her, but I think it's one of the lesser-known of all the songs of hers to get the video treatment.

And visually, this was one of the videos that really patented her unique dirty/classy sex appeal...something I haven't seen a single artist successfully imitate.

Spoiler

Definitely not Gaga...she's too hideous.

EDIT: Actually, I'm dumb, just checked the Wikipedia page for the song:

"Take a Bow" is a song by American singer-songwriter Madonna from her 1994 studio album Bedtime Stories. It has since also appeared on her compilation albums Something to Remember (1995), GHV2 (2001) and Celebration (2009). Released as a single in December 1994, it became her longest-running number-one hit in the United States. Madonna performed "Take a Bow" with Babyface at the 1995 American Music Awards. It was her first single to reach number-one in the United States after 1992's "This Used to Be My Playground" and it was her last number-one song in the United States in the 1990s.

Wow, maybe I was too young at the time to realize the full popularity of the song. I always thought "Take a Bow" was one of her lesser known numbers...

 

[Koodo]

That's debatable. Point is that they're both good and have respectable qualities to them in their field.
Same goes for Madonna, Beyonce, Gaga, and even Katy, Rihanna and Kesha. Basically everyone other than Britney Broken Spearit.


There is no denying that your busted ugly fav is at the very bottom of the pop food-chain.



Can't dance, sing, perform. Lost her spark, personality, beauty, charm, etc.
What the fuck is she good for other than your pity?

Look sis, I've dragged people in this forum in topics raging from gay rights, black rights, women rights, abortion, mentally handicapped treatment, et al. I do not enjoy dragging people in stan wars because being a catty hooker is more fun, but you've left me no choice but to drag your dirty ass all over Xtincta's diarrhea pool in City of Refuge Church.


Look at this face:

And this one:

Haggard.

She has kidnapped her own children, walked barefoot in gas stations, given new meaning to vulva surprise. She still cannot even get out of the house with properly applied make up.

Her last MTV and People's Choice Award promo? A mess. Britney is a tragic former shell of herself, who cannot dance or even muster up a tenth of the energy she used to. It often seems like she has stopped caring.


But despite all of these terrible, terrible traits, Britney remains:

• Outselling your fave
• Receiving infinitely more critical praise than your fave
• Building a considerably bigger and more loyal fanbase than your fave
• Fostering a legacy that will outlast your fave ten times over.

The world is not here for your fave, despite her enormous range, despite her former good looks, despite her industry connections. Britney's tragic VMA performance is infinitely more iconic than whatever good performance leaks out of your fave's anus. Not even RCA is here for her career, judging by how they sabotaged Bionic.

Maybe Max is here for her mother's career... LOL, as if.

How does it feel to have your fave punched out the game continuously for nearly 15 years by such a mess? I guess you might be used to it since she's been repunched out of the game by Beyoncé, Gaga and even flavor of the months like Rihanus and Perry.

Your fave has more in common with Kim Kardashian than no hits allowed Keri Hilson. I guess that's why your fave invites Kim K to her birthday.

While your reductive gif spamming (everyone knows I paved the way for your ilk in this forum) is cute in gossip threads, it is heinously annoying in music threads, even if said music is discussing Madonna's latest creatively bankrupt endeavor. Let me repeat the word music. Your reality star is no longer included in this club.

This leaves me with one concluding suggestion: in your free time, work on your horrid Mario Kart skills. That can be improved, unlike your fave's irreparable career.

 
Or you can remain bothered.

 

[freenudemacusers]

 

[Phonomezer]

Fiiiine. I'll be good.

For someone who is not a *huge* Madonna fan (we are talking about me!) and therefore is unaware of a lot of her songs, what is one of your favorite songs of hers that isn't as well known?

Time Stood Still is a well hidden gem.

Also, Intervention from American Life.

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

Mother of Godney

 

[Phonomezer]

Koodo serves the FINAL NOTICE.

 

[DECK'ARD]

PopGAF threads are my new guilty pleasure

 

[Dr. Malik]

 

[3phemeral]

OMG what has this thread become.

 

[freenudemacusers]

PopGAF threads are my new guilty pleasure

I know that feel bro.

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Fucking glorious. Koodo, the best poster on GAF.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

For someone who is not a *huge* Madonna fan (we are talking about me!) and therefore is unaware of a lot of her songs, what is one of your favorite songs of hers that isn't as well known?

Well, a couple pages back I mentioned her collaboration with Massive Attack on Marvin Gaye's "I Want You." That's a real stunner.

It's hard to think of lesser-known tracks when you're a big fan of the '80s albums like I am; half the songs were usually released as major singles! A couple that I've always liked but don't see mentioned a lot: "Where Life Begins" (Madonna sings about oral) and "Oh Father" (Madonna sings about her daddy issues, David Fincher directs the video). Also, the original demo for "Live To Tell" is probably better than the mix that got onto True Blue.

 

[Phonomezer]

Well, a couple pages back I mentioned her collaboration with Massive Attack on Marvin Gaye's "I Want You." That's a real stunner.

It's hard to think of lesser-known tracks when you're a big fan of the '80s albums like I am; half the songs were usually released as major singles! A couple that I've always liked but don't see mentioned a lot: "Where Life Begins" (Madonna sings about oral) and "Oh Father" (Madonna sings about her daddy issues, David Fincher directs the video). Also, the original demo for "Live To Tell" is probably better than the mix that got onto True Blue.

I love the orchestral version of I Want You

 

[royalan]

...whoa...I still love Christina, she's my diva of choice, but damn.

Anyway...

ETA: Mumei, You Must Love Me won an Oscar. It's not the best song in the score, but it is one of her better vocal performances.

I've always loved the stuff Madonna's done for movies. My friends and I go out to piano bar in the Gayborhood here in Philly and take turns singing Sooner or Later at the piano.

 

[Phonomezer]

...whoa...I still love Christina, she's my diva of choice, but damn.

Anyway...



I've always loved the stuff Madonna's done for movies. My friends and I go out to piano bar in the Gayborhood here in Philly and take turns singing Sooner or Later at the piano.

Sooner or Later at the 1991 oscars was A MOMENT.

Probably her best live vocal delivery as well.

Epic tale about her holding a guy by the collar, for fucking up the mic, as she rose to the stage.

 

[Souldriver]

One of my favorite lesser known songs of madonna, is Paradise (Not For Me). Such a weird song, with the triphop tempo, computerized vocals, french lyrics, ... But once the breakdown and the violins come at around the 3 minute mark...my god. Beautiful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzBvRptiiJE

 

[royalan]

Sooner or Later at the 1991 oscars was A MOMENT.

Probably her best live vocal delivery as well.

Epic tale about her holding a guy by the collar, for fucking up the mic, as she rose to the stage.

Aw shucks, let's link to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8c8R2gQ3RE&feature=related

For me, it's not just the vocals for this performance. But everything - from her outfit to the light choreography and way she pooches for the camera. She just sold it.

 

[Kyon]

Cyno I am a Xtina fan lol but it's just fun to be catty I'm not that serious

@Koodo GOOOOOOORRRRRL!

 

[Sydle]

Britney's career will end when her label's marketing/manufacturing department says it's over. That said, I'm still looking forward to a few more years from her.

Christina could stand the test of time if she just embraces the idea that she will never be a pop diva like Britney or Beyonce, or overtake the power of Britney's marketing team.

Madonna...I'm a big fan of some of her work (Bed Time Stories, Ray of Light, Music, Confessions...), but her best year's are behind her. Still, I suppose this new album could be a fun distraction while waiting for Gaga's new album.

 

[Cosmic Bus]

Aw shucks, let's link to it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8c8R2gQ3RE&feature=related

For me, it's not just the vocals for this performance. But everything - from her outfit to the light choreography and way she pooches for the camera. She just sold it.

Glamorous Madonna is best Madonna.

That said, if I had $200 just laying around, I'd totally buy one of those Desperate Seeking Susan replica jackets, which is still awesome after 25 years. Drive scorpion jacket? Lame after six months.

 

[Kyon]

Bye GWORL!!! She's a living legend! Britney cemented her status long before your faves could steal writing credits.

Spoiler

shit! Forgot this was the Queen's thread! :"(

 

[Mumei]

Take a Bow - sure, it's not the most obscure song by her, but I think it's one of the lesser-known of all the songs of hers to get the video treatment.

And visually, this was one of the videos that really patented her unique dirty/classy sex appeal...something I haven't seen a single artist successfully imitate.

Spoiler

Definitely not Gaga...she's too hideous.

EDIT: Actually, I'm dumb, just checked the Wikipedia page for the song:

Wow, maybe I was too young at the time to realize the full popularity of the song. I always thought "Take a Bow" was one of her lesser known numbers...

I was five or six depending on when it came out that year. I don't think I'd heard it before, or at least I didn't remember it. I liked it.

Listening to the other stuff people linked to as well.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

These threads are vicious.

 

[Fry]

I don't really understand what this thread has turned into, but I support Britney.

 

[PorkChopSandwiches]

Such cattiness

 

[Sydle]

I was five or six depending on when it came out that year. I don't think I'd heard it before, or at least I didn't remember it. I liked it.

Listening to the other stuff people linked to as well.

Take a Bow was huge and very well known, one of her most popular singles ever. The video was also very popular and well received.

Haven't seen the other lists provided, but here are some of my pre-Ray of Light favorites:
I'll Remember
Secret
You'll See
Crazy for You
Rain
Don't Stop
Human Nature
Live to Tell

 

[royalan]

Bye GWORL!!! She's a living legend! Britney cemented her status long before your faves could steal writing credits.

Spoiler

shit! Forgot this was the Queen's thread! :"(

I wouldn't go that far...yet.

Now, before Koodo comes for my scalp this is NOT Britney shade, but I personally hope she gets back to taking her career seriously soon. If Britney really wants to cement that legend status she's got a few more years/albums to put in.

I mean, just for comparison's sake, at this point in Madonna's career she was still in her Bedtime Stories era. Mariah was still in her Charmbracelet era (if we even want to give that album an era...). Michael, Kylie, Prince - all the real legends were only just getting started at this point in their careers.

Of course, if Brit isn't feeling it anymore I'd rather she lived her life quietly like she wants. But I hope she comes back strong one day to really put her foot on that crown.

 

[Mumei]

Take a Bow was huge and very well known, one of her most popular singles ever. The video was also very popular and well received.

Haven't seen the other lists provided, but here are some of my pre-Ray of Light favorites:
I'll Remember
Secret
You'll See
Crazy for You
Rain
Don't Stop
Human Nature
Live to Tell

Yeah, I gathered.

I've heard Oh Father, Where Life Begins, I Want You, You Must Love Me, and Time Stood Still now, and have something like 13 or 14 to go.

 

[Kyon]

I wouldn't go that far...yet.

Now, before Koodo comes for my scalp this is NOT Britney shade, but I personally hope she gets back to taking her career seriously soon. If Britney really wants to cement that legend status she's got a few more years/albums to put in.

I mean, just for comparison's sake, at this point in Madonna's career she was still in her Bedtime Stories era. Mariah was still in her Charmbracelet era (if we even want to give that album an era...). Michael, Kylie, Prince - all the real legends were only just getting started at this point in their careers.

Of course, if Brit isn't feeling it anymore I'd rather she lived her life quietly like she wants. But I hope she comes back strong one day to really put her foot on that crown.

Of course she has more years to cement legend status I agree. But she has achieved Princess of Pop/Icon status already and also bitch is the best selling female artist of the decade and also performed with Queen Madonna and King Michael. Bow.gif also all those live performances she slayed over the years especially Slave and I cant get no...Oops at the VMA's.

ON TOPIC: I saw a Billboard sign of GMAYL single for iTunes. This promotion is AIR TIGHT! QUEEEEEEEEEN

 

[Hieberrr]

Nicki Minaj at 2:23 is fucking hillarious