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[plasmasd]

Yea, those single cells are so empty and simple.

Did he get banned for a dead baby joke :O

I'll need to watch myself if that's the case.

 

[THRILLH0]

Haha so fuckin true man. If only we could get rid of Catholicism so pedophelia would cease to exist!

 

[JGS]

So...how come the Church and others were not complaining for the last decade:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/controversial-obama-birth-control-rule-already-law

It's probably because it's not the same.

"It has been in active use all this time. [President Obama's] policy is only new in the sense that it covers employers with less than 15 employees and with no copay for the individual. The basic rule has been in place since 2000."

That is a new basic rule.

I like this part (It really does make me lol):

"The current freakout," Judy Waxman says, is largely occurring because the EEOC policy "isn't as widely known…and it hasn't been uniformly enforced." But it's still unclear whether Obama's Health and Human Services department will enforce the new rule any more harshly than the old one. The administration has already given organizations a year-long grace period to comply. Asked to explain how the agency would make employers do what it wanted, an HHS official told Mother Jones that it would "enforce this the same way we enforce everything else in the law."

"So now through the benevolence and weakness of your secular leaders, you now have until August 1, 2013 to change your beliefs! God Bless You!"

 

[gkryhewy]

:: the entire point of this particular aspect of Catholic dogma is to ensure a growing supply of new Catholics into perpetuity. It's nonsense.

 

[Bulbo Urethral Baggins]

Looks like Obama is caving.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/story/2...rol/53036006/1

Obama to change birth control rule.
WASHINGTON (AP) – A person familiar with the decision says President Obama will announce a plan to accommodate religious employers outraged by a rule that would require them to cover birth control for women free of charge.

 

[Omegasquash]

I'm all for religious freedom, but I do feel like if an organization plays in the public space at all, they should be held to law. If that organization is a nonprofit that does not receive any federal funding, then it can do what it wants.

I'm not at all a fan of what I believe to be the churches holding to an outdated, ridiculous belief, but I have to respect their right. Not sure on all the details of their relationship with Uncle Sam, though. In addition, this is where Planned Parenthood could come in and save the day, right?

 

[SmokyDave]

I guess it's hard to see the value of contraception when you're tapping people before they hit puberty.

 

[AndyD]

I'm all for religious freedom, but I do feel like if an organization plays in the public space at all, they should be held to law. If that organization is a nonprofit that does not receive any federal funding, then it can do what it wants.

I'm not at all a fan of what I believe to be the churches holding to an outdated, ridiculous belief, but I have to respect their right. Not sure on all the details of their relationship with Uncle Sam, though. In addition, this is where Planned Parenthood could come in and save the day, right?

As to the first, getting tax breaks is the equivalent of getting federal funding.

As to the second, the Catholic bishops are outraged at a proposed modified rule which would allow them not to provide contraceptives, but instead tell patients where they can obtain them (PP). Because then they would have to directly send people to PP which they hate to have to do.

 

[Omegasquash]

As to the first, getting tax breaks is the equivalent of getting federal funding.

As to the second, the Catholic bishops are outraged at a proposed modified rule which would allow them not to provide contraceptives, but instead tell patients where they can obtain them (PP). Because then they would have to directly send people to PP which they hate to have to do.

I can see what you're saying on part one...my thinking is along the lines of nonprofit status. If they only receive charitable donations...sure. We all know they don't. Well, I'm pretty sure, anyway.

I'd like to see some literature on them having to send someone to PP as opposed to presenting them with a list of viable alternatives (which of course, contains PP). Personally I don't have a problem with that at all (and the petty side of me would get a huge laugh out of it).

 

[Miletius]

Reposted from the Poli-GAF thread:

From TPM

On a conference call with reporters Friday, a senior administration official announced that the White House will move the onus to provide women free contraceptive services to insurance companies if their religiously-affiliated employers object to providing insurance coverage that covers birth control.

"All women will still have access to free preventive care that includes contraceptive services," the official said. "The insurance company will be required to reach out directly and offer her contraceptive coverage free of charge," if the employer objects to providing that coverage in its benefit package.

 

[xavi42]

This is a fight Obama cannot win. The Catholic Church got support from pretty much all other religious organizations, who saw this an attack on religious liberty. If Obama continues to fight this, it will cost him the election.

 

[marrec]

This is a fight Obama cannot win. The Catholic Church got support from pretty much all other religious organizations, who saw this an attack on religious liberty. If Obama continues to fight this, it will cost him the election.

Maybe if he continued to fight it people would see how ridiculous the vocal minority of religious leaders who think they're constantly being attacked despite having more influence and freedom than almost any other country.

I need an aspirin.

 

[xavi42]

Maybe if he continued to fight it people would see how ridiculous the vocal minority of religious leaders who think they're constantly being attacked despite having more influence and freedom than almost any other country.

I need an aspirin.

That is a huge misconception. Obama got 35 million Catholic votes last election. Even if only 5 or 6 million votes went to the Republican party or third party, it would likely result in a loss for Obama. Then there is the fact that even the evangelicals and the protestant denominations are denouncing it, and it is creating a 'culture war' that Obama will not be able to overcome.

 

[marrec]

That is a huge misconception. Obama got 35 million Catholic votes last election. Even if only 5 or 6 million votes went to the Republican party or third party, it would likely result in a loss for Obama. Then there is the fact that even the evangelicals and the protestant denominations are denouncing it, and it is creating a 'culture war' that Obama will not be able to overcome.

No no, I'm not disagreeing with you.

I just wish they didn't have as much influence is all. Obama has to meet the demands of crazy people.

 

[Dude Abides]

Looks like Obama is caving.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/story/2...rol/53036006/1

Obama to change birth control rule.
WASHINGTON (AP) – A person familiar with the decision says President Obama will announce a plan to accommodate religious employers outraged by a rule that would require them to cover birth control for women free of charge.

Updated the OP.