City Council member defends flying Confederate flag at home
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Count Dookkake
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Might be time for 'Wipe Your Ass with the Confederate Flag' Day.
So one of the common themes i have seen recently is that people claim "states rights" but the real underlying implications of this is that they want policies back that really should not be returning. I know this is not true for all people who say "states rights" but it seems that a large subset of these people would push for this if they got their way.
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Again, individual here refers to white protestant males. When this correction is made, the statement is entirely true and sensible.
Count Dookkake
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I'll whip them with a pooey flag!
Mammoth Jones
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The confederate flag means to me what the nazi flag means to me. It's a symbol of intolerance and hate and oppression. I'd consider anyone flying one to be a racist. Why?
To me, the person that raises it is saying "I like what the South stood for during the Civil War and this is my way of showing solidarity with them and their cause." Some want to waterdance around the issue of what they stood for by saying "it was about states rights!"
But the truth is they went to war specifically for the right of the states to allow the ownership of slaves. Showing solidarity is basically the reason flags have been flown throughout history. It's a declaration of what "side" you're on. And if that's the side someone is on then fuck them.
Saw some good ole boys hanging out next to a pickup truck w/ a confederate flag once. The stares of hate they gave me wasn't because of "states rights"...that's for damn sure....
At the end of the day the South lost...and for good reason.
To me, the person that raises it is saying "I like what the South stood for during the Civil War and this is my way of showing solidarity with them and their cause." Some want to waterdance around the issue of what they stood for by saying "it was about states rights!"
But the truth is they went to war specifically for the right of the states to allow the ownership of slaves. Showing solidarity is basically the reason flags have been flown throughout history. It's a declaration of what "side" you're on. And if that's the side someone is on then fuck them.
Saw some good ole boys hanging out next to a pickup truck w/ a confederate flag once. The stares of hate they gave me wasn't because of "states rights"...that's for damn sure....
At the end of the day the South lost...and for good reason.
Razgriz-Specter
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Some people are just proud of being from the South so the fly the flag and don't really care.
Im proud of being southern but im not going to fly the flag because I know it is offensive to some..
also not every single southern person had slaves pre Civil War.
Im proud of being southern but im not going to fly the flag because I know it is offensive to some..
also not every single southern person had slaves pre Civil War.
Every German wasn't a Nazi either.
Captain Tuttle
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Seriously, this is how I've always seen it. I don't understand the attraction for some people. The South got their asses kicked.
ConfusingJazz
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Yes, a majority of the white population in the Confederacy didn't have slaves.
However, a majority of the white population did support the institution, and its expansion into the territories. And the Fugitive Slave Act. And a host of other hot button issues of the 1840s and 1850s that had to do with slavery.
Granted, a majority of the population of both sides agreed the Native Americans in the territories should be "handled".
Yeah, it's kind of weird. The Twin Cities were probably the most segregated, discriminatory metropolitan area outside of the deep south during the first 2/3rds of the 20th century. Jews and blacks banned from owning property pretty much everywhere, not being able to practice as docotrs in hospitals... I guess it was a discrimination breeds mistrust and discrimination kind of thing, what with all the eastern european immigrants.
it's as strange as someone flying the union jack to show pride in their colonial heritage, only that wouldn't be quite as offensive, it would likely be mocked and ridiculed endlessly. Why we give southern pride a free pass over the idea of national pride I have never understood.
Take pride in where you are from, fly a state flag or something.
Alligatorjandro
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You know a person is racist if they start off with I'm not racist.
Atramental
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It helps me identify the people I don't want to associate with.
Razgriz-Specter
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thats why the Nazi flag is a bad symbol but not the German flag
Bay Maximus
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I wonder how pro-Confederate people would feel about someone raising a Taliban flag. Both are honoring institutions that thrive off of intolerance and both have killed many Americans. Only one was a traitor though so there's that I guess
joseph1594
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The vast majority of southerners prior to the Civil War did not own slaves. Alas, that does not change the fact that the Confederacy was essentially formed to protect the planter aristocracy's right to keep enslaving blacks. They were able to rally many poor peasants (who had nothing to gain by supporting the aristocracy, who honestly oppressed them too) in the South by using BS nationalist rhetoric and the whole "us vs them" attitude.
A27_StarWolf
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/former-civil-rights-leader-defends-flying-confederate-flag/
I suppose he is racist? Or ignorant?
A lot of the replies in this threat really expose how ignorant some people really are regarding the issue.
The Confederate flag wasn't ever as frowned upon as it is today until the civil rights movement came around. Then the flag was demonized, and frowned upon. Even some people, and a couple ships in World War 2 flew it.
The fundamental problem here is that the people who fly it see it as pride in where you come from, your heritage, or the south. My Grandfather flies it because he spent most of his life in Mississippi, and we have relatives that fought, and some died, in the civil war.
To people in the north, mainly, it is seen as we are being racist white people, who support slavery.
I've been to the deep south numerous times, white people fly it, latino people fly it, black people fly it.
did you really just try and make those two the same?
I also love how people think the civil war is so black and white. I don't and would never support slavery, but back then you had a southern economy that was not only based, but reliant on it.
I suppose he is racist? Or ignorant?
A lot of the replies in this threat really expose how ignorant some people really are regarding the issue.
The Confederate flag wasn't ever as frowned upon as it is today until the civil rights movement came around. Then the flag was demonized, and frowned upon. Even some people, and a couple ships in World War 2 flew it.
The fundamental problem here is that the people who fly it see it as pride in where you come from, your heritage, or the south. My Grandfather flies it because he spent most of his life in Mississippi, and we have relatives that fought, and some died, in the civil war.
To people in the north, mainly, it is seen as we are being racist white people, who support slavery.
I've been to the deep south numerous times, white people fly it, latino people fly it, black people fly it.
did you really just try and make those two the same?
I also love how people think the civil war is so black and white. I don't and would never support slavery, but back then you had a southern economy that was not only based, but reliant on it.
iamshadowlark
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Haha the Confederacy.
Lord_Byron28
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Yeah a lot of people in my high school had the confederate flag on their truck or car and some of them were black and some of them were gay/lesbian. People had the confederate flag as southern pride.
However, I never had one and really don't care because some find it offensive. I can see from that perspective and I don't really see a big deal from either side. It doesn't mean you're racist just because you have a confederate flag but it's still offensive to some and people should think about that more often.
let's make a cool list of shit that wasn't frowned upon until the civil rights movement came around.
Count Dookkake
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So basically, the confederate flag has black friends?
I guess this is as close to the 'i have black friends' argument as you'll get.
lol
flying the flag of traitors and slavers is never going to be acceptable.
iamshadowlark
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Wow. No shit huh?
ConfusingJazz
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No one said you shouldn't be able to fly, just that you are a insensitive prick at best for flying it. Yes, including your grandfather. Also, I am not in the North, I am in Texas, and my grandparents were from Georgia and North Carolina. Its still fucking stupid to fly the Confederate flag.
And saying something wasn't frowned upon until the Civil Rights Movement isn't a point in your favor. Congrats, until racial injustice was brought to light, people didn't think the Confederate Flag was a bad thing!
If the economy was based on an slavery, then your economy needs to fucking change.
iamshadowlark
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That's the fucking bullshit that I fucking loathe.
Slaves fought in the confederacy for states rights....yeah that's pretty goddamn disgusting and its the kind of revisionist history that a lot of people who fly that bullshit flag subscribe to.
Captain Tuttle
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Damn those Civil Rights!
I'll always see it as the flag of the losing side, the flag of people who wanted to break up my country. This dude has a right to fly it though, free speech and all that. It just says something about the person flying it imo.
You totally led the debate team.
Something Wicked
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Yeah, the Confederate flag has become a symbol within rural American culture than just the South these days. I'm not a fan of it, but it's certainly not uncommon to see it on bumper stickers in some western/central/south eastern Mass towns. Then again, you may also see a "hammer and sickle" flag in one particular city around here as well...
ConfusingJazz
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Hungary was asking to be repressed!
Razgriz-Specter
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Vs
you can clearly see the "cooler" looking flag from an Alabama standpoint at least.
Though I like my American flag outside, used to have a huge one on my loft's wall.
Statements like this kill me. I live in Tennessee and have lived in the south for 31 years and I have NEVER seen anyone outside of white people flying this flag. Is it possible, sure. Is it common? Hell to the fuckin no.
Do they just copy American bikers? Figures that's one way that flag could end up there.
Bay Maximus
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Are you going to argue my points?
As to your second point, it doesn't matter if the you rely on something. Wrong is wrong. That's like a child porn peddler defending himself in court by saying, "Cmon man! I gotta make a living! I rely on this shit!"
This is utter nonsense. I almost feel like I'm being trolled.
The hell?
see, I don't understand that. The Confederacy was a country of states who seceded from the United States of America, and subsequently fought the United Statets of America in a war.
It wasn't the Union vs. the Confederacy, it was the United States vs the Confederacy.
Why would you wave the flag of secession with pride and still think of yourself as an American?
People who say the confederate flag represents rural america or the south or states rights are like germans who fly the nazi flag and say it's a symbol of national unity and military strength.
A27_StarWolf
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Now you guys are twisting my words. gg.
The flag was not considered something "racist stupid people flew" until the civil rights movement demonized it.
I think a lot of people today don't understand that the war was not as black and white as they like to think, and that the "north" was innocent.
If the north was as dependent on slavery for its economy, do you think they would have outlawed it?
I would love to actually talk about this issue with anyone, I'm going to do my best to ignore the closed minded people here.
The flag was not considered something "racist stupid people flew" until the civil rights movement demonized it.
I think a lot of people today don't understand that the war was not as black and white as they like to think, and that the "north" was innocent.
If the north was as dependent on slavery for its economy, do you think they would have outlawed it?
I would love to actually talk about this issue with anyone, I'm going to do my best to ignore the closed minded people here.
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