iPads seized from shelves by Chinese Officials

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Thought this was an interesting and newsworthy story. Please note that despite my obvious disdain for the business practices of Apple, I'm more interested in the potential legal ramifications of this latest development. I have one particularly vociferous stalker who is no doubt going to be like a bear with a sore head after seeing his Championship standard side get thrashed 5-1 yesterday by their local rivals, so as a pre-emptive note: Be aware that I'm not offering an opinion here, just the news :)

Anyhow - preamble aside:

Officials have begun confiscating iPad devices from stores in China after a court ruled in December that Apple was guilty of infringing the trademark of Chinese monitor biz Proview.

According to Hebei Youth Daily, officials from the Administrations of Industry and Commerce (AIC) raided a reseller in Shijiazhuang, clearing it out of 45 fondleslabs.

The hardline action comes even though Apple is still awaiting the result of its appeal against the original December 2011 ruling in favour of Shenzhen-based Proview, which registered the “IPAD” trademark way back in 2001.

In the meantime, Proview has demanded that Apple formally apologises and pays a $38m fine as a result of its transgression.

You can read more here, here and here.

I can't really have a lot of sympathy for Apple after the way they decided to pursue ipood, claimed to own the word "Pod" and more recently threatened the driPhone.
 
45? wouldn't surprise me if the local officials simply wanted the iPads for themselves. It's quite cute that they want an apology from Apple.
 
apple is such a mixed bag, for me

On the one hand they do all sorts of dumb stuff; on the other hand they do make the best devices in their relevant classes in the world

So I am pretty torn about bad news for apple
 
The AIC injunction was filed in Beijing, I don't know why they're reporting on AIC activity of Hebei/Shijiazhuang, which is outside the jurisdiction of AIC Beijing. Hebei/Shijiazhuang don't even have Apple stores (many fake Apple stores though). Weibo reports that the Apple Stores in Beijing and Shanghai (only Apple Stores in Mainland China) are still selling iPads at this moment. And of course the online Apple Store is still selling iPads.

I imagine Apple would just pay the $38 million if it loses all appeals.
 
I love how they request a "formal apology" from Apple.

Can't we just settle the tablet/smart phone patent battles with a CEO fight to the death contest? It's what everybody wants.
 
This is pretty much like "Chinese officials pull off XBOX 360 from shelves".


HINT: there's no official XBOX stores in mainland China and there's no official Apple store in Shijiazhuang. Things like this happen mostly because somebody is desperately in need of filling a monthly / yearly report.
 
I guess this is kinda off topic, but since you mentioned it in the OP..

What a ridiculously stupid article. The record companies set the price of albums - not Apple.

Things like this don't matter when people are talking about how much they hate Apple.
 
Not allowed to sell it in China? I wish they could just not build it there either. Foxconn has a lot of manufacturing plants around the world. Have them build it at one of those plants. But, that's much MUCH easier said than done.
 
It's gotten so bad with kurtrussell that he needs to put a disclaimer in the first post. Sheesh.
Disclaimer: I hate everything Apple, I do not approach anything regarding Apple with a logical and reasonable mindset. That said, I would like to share this piece of vapid and inconsequential journalism which furthers my irrational disdain for Apple, carry on.
 
Lost in the hubbub is the fact that there is also an ongoing(?) case in Hong Kong, regarding Apple v. Proview, which appears to be in favor of Apple. Interesting possibility regarding conflict of laws.

Here was the ruling in July, 2011 (it's in English):
http://www.hklii.hk/cgi-bin/sinodisp/eng/hk/cases/hkcfi/2011/1375.html

It is Apple and IP Application’s case that in the process of drawing up the formal written agreement (“the Written Agreement”) and the assignments (“the Country Assignments”) to give effect to the Agreement, the representatives of the Contracting Defendants represented and led IP Application to believe that all the Subject Trademarks, including in particular the China Trademarks, were owned by and registered in the name of Proview Electronics. Accordingly, the Written Agreement and the Country Assignments executed on 23 December 2009 expressly stated that Proview Electronics was the proprietor of the Subject Trademarks including the China Trademarks and that Proview Electronics warranted that it was the unencumbered sole owner of the Subject Trademarks including the China Trademarks. The Country Assignment pertaining to the China Trademarks (“the China Country Assignment”) also recited that Proview Electronics was the proprietor of the China Trademarks. However, after Apple had announced the launch of iPads in January 2010, it was discovered that the China Trademarks were in fact registered in the name of Proview Shenzhen. The China Country Assignment was accordingly ineffective in assigning the China Trademarks to IP Application.

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Here, the conduct of all the defendants demonstrate that they have combined together with the common intention of injuring Apple and IP Application by acting in breach of the Agreement. Proview Holdings, Proview Electronics and Proview Shenzhen, all clearly under Yang’s control, have refused to take any steps to ensure compliance with the Agreement so that the China Trademarks are properly assigned or transferred to IP Application. Instead, they attempted to exploit the situation as a business opportunity for the Proview Group by seeking an amount of US$10,000,000 from Apple.
 
Wait wait wait stop the presses.

Kurtrussell posted an overly negative Apple topic about a completely meaningless issue? This is the most shocking thing I could ever imagine.

If only Apple computers were more like this...
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"Apple insists that it already bought Proview's rights to the name "IPAD" in ten different countries, including China."
So they just show proof and everything should be fine right? What's the problem?

Read this:
http://www.hklii.hk/cgi-bin/sinodisp/eng/hk/cases/hkcfi/2011/1375.html

It looks like its a case of conflicting cases and rulings--one case/ruling (pro-Apple) in Hong Kong and another ruling in Shenzhen (pro-Proview).

I haven't looked at the Shenzhen ruling, though. Kuro Madoushi seems to have read it, though--he might be able to sum it up.
 
I brought the Hong Kong case to some Chinese legal watchers attention, and they seemed to come up with some better analysis of the situation (discussion is in the comments):
http://www.chinahearsay.com/proview-apple-customs-reality-check/

New just came out – Chinese Customs will not get involved with import or export issues relating to the disputed iPad trademark.

This is good for Apple, since it puts the issue back in the courts, with less risk of disrupting their supply chain or sales. I guess this means Apple iPads will be able to enter/leave China easily? Not sure what the local governments can/will do about stopping sales (especially Shenzhen’s government, which seems to be pro-Proview).

Also, the HK court case (see link below by “numble”) sheds new light and shows Apple’s position to be much stronger than was portrayed here earlier by Stan.

Stan, I think you realize you jumped the gun with your previous posts decrying Apple attorneys for “dropping the ball.” now we see they didn’t so badly and had the contract tightly defined – though I agree they failed in an important area by not doing the due-diligence to check who actually owned the PRC rights. I suppose in their view, Proview Technologies (HK) owned Proview (Shenzhen), and so the HK parent’s sale meant its subordinate firm also consented. While such an assumption is not wrong, it’s an example of not “dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s.”

And with knowledge that Yang was the principle owner of all three Proview firms, this starts to appear disingenuous on Proview’s part. It appears they were either sloppy (and trying to take advantage of it now), or they were being deceitful by claiming “worldwide rights” in one set of negotiations, but later reneging on that clause.

My guess of the “true, behind the scenes story” is this: Yang truly intended to and believed he (Proview International) sold all rights he had to the trademark, to a small British firm for what he considered a fair transaction. He was going to transfer the PRC trademark to IPAD (UK), and upon trying to do so found they were an agent for Apple. Yang felt cheated by IPAD’s non-disclosure of their Apple ties (though what IPAD and Apple did in terms of contract law was entirely legal in China), and he then had seller’s remorse. He probably tried to contact IPAD about details, who probably confirmed their ties with Apple. And Yang found out (maybe after consulting lawyers about his situation) that he could claim to still hold the PRC trademark (since he hadn’t yet transferred them as the contract stipulated he must do). His attorneys likely informed him that Apple and the original contract would dispute his version. So Yang, knowing Apple won’t pay him more (he probably had his attorneys contact them), decided to hurt Apple by mounting a media and legal/government-backed campaign (whatever support he could get) to try to make Apple give him more. What’s interesting is the US $1 billion in damages he’s seeking for trademark infringement. That seems outrageous considering the only real damage he’s suffered is embarrassment from knowing he could have gotten more than £35,000.

The Shenzhen court’s ruling seems valid and correct, that Proview (Shenzhen) owns the PRC trademark, but Apple’s point (I believe) is not whether they/Yang own it but that the contract required them to transfer the trademark to IPAD. Apple taking a breach of contract position will probably not be sufficient, but together with the clause for Hong Kong law to apply, this becomes an issue of whether PRC courts will remedy a HK breach of contract case. Since the only material asset Proview (all) seem to have is this one trademark, and given its creditors would be automatically included as parties to the contract, the only remedy possible for Apple (in a HK breach of contract case) is for them to be awarded Proview’s asset(s) as damages. It could be proven (and probably Apple’s reason for allowing Proview to continue in their destructive actions) that damages to Apple caused by Proview’s actions are far beyond what Proview (or its creditors) can/will pay – thus the PRC trademark should be the damage reward.

At the end of the day, the sole issue ultimately is how PRC courts will rule on HK law/contracts and their applicability within China. It seems difficult for PRC courts to rule against Apple, since that would mean they’re also reducing HK’s shine as a major business destination/gateway for foreign companies (i.e., showing that Hong Kong is NOT a stable/reliable business location because it’s laws are NOT supported / enforced by PRC). Don’t belief China would do that. Either way, Apple “wins”.

However I agree the legal issues may not be settled soon. A court-only battle benefits Apple since their distribution/sales probably won’t be affected (see news today), but this hurts Proview because their creditors won’t wait years (signaling them to settle earlier, and for much less than the $1 billion they’re dreaming of). The irony is, if Proview had taken a reasonable amount from Apple ($1 million), and invested that in Apple/Foxconn stocks, they will be much better off. Maybe Apple’s strategy is sound after all — they know more of the details than any of us. We should assume they are fully competent in this matter, in the absence of contrary evidence.
 
Thought this was an interesting and newsworthy story. Please note that despite my obvious disdain for the business practices of Apple, I'm more interested in the potential legal ramifications of this latest development. I have one particularly vociferous stalker who is no doubt going to be like a bear with a sore head after seeing his Championship standard side get thrashed 5-1 yesterday by their local rivals, so as a pre-emptive note: Be aware that I'm not offering an opinion here, just the news :)

You can read more here, here and here.

I can't really have a lot of sympathy for Apple after the way they decided to pursue ipood, claimed to own the word "Pod" and more recently threatened the driPhone.


LOL.

Isn't you stating you can't have sympathy for Apple an example of you offering an opinion?
 
Proview now threatening a US suit.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...it_related_to_iPad_trademark_dispute_in_China

A trademark dispute in China over the iPad could spill over into U.S courts, after a little-known Chinese company threatened on Friday to sue Apple in the U.S. for among other things allegedly setting up a "fake company" to purchase the rights to the trademark.

Proview, which has filed for bankruptcy, said it had not transferred the rights to the trademark in China. It said that the U.K. company which purchased rights from its Taiwan subsidiary had promised not to use the trademark to compete against Proview's products.

"I think in the future we will sue Apple in the U.S.," Li Su, a representative of Proview in China, told reporters in Beijing. "We are looking to choose between three different U.S. law firms."

Basically a nuisance suit; here's analysis from a China legal watcher:
http://www.chinahearsay.com/apple-not-losing-sleep-over-latest-proview-threat/

Proview, current owner of the iPad trademark in China, now says it will sue Apple in the U.S. Ha!

I think the Proview legal team needs to take a deep breath here. They are going with the old strategy of “Let’s throw as much shit against the wall as possible and see what sticks.” That often works quite well in beating an opponent so badly that they will limp to the negotiation table.

However, I’ve always thought that the strategy made the most sense when the threats were somewhat realistic, as opposed to fantastic.

Unless there’s a smoking gun somewhere, this is just short of fantasy:

A trademark dispute in China over the iPad could spill over into U.S courts, after a little-known Chinese company threatened on Friday to sue Apple in the U.S. for among other things allegedly setting up a “fake company” to purchase the rights to the trademark.
Remember that Apple used an intermediary company to make the deal with Proview in 2009, which has since gone sour. Why? Multinationals don’t do this sort of thing using their own name; it tends to drive up the price substantially.

Using a dummy company is standard practice in the IP biz, and I’ve never heard of anyone being sued because of it.

What’s the threat here, a fraud suit? For that, you need a material misrepresentation of fact that led to damages to Proview.

Even if we were to stipulate that Apple’s failure to tell Proview that they were behind the dummy company was a misrepresentation (a very big “if”), was it material? And how did Proview suffer because of it?

Proview’s only arguments are that: 1) if they had known it was Apple, they would have asked a higher price; and 2) if they had known it was Apple, they would not have done the deal at all since Apple is somehow a competitor.

As to #1, even if that helps their case (I doubt it), does Proview really want to admit that Apple’s subterfuge prevented it from charging an unreasonable price? A very odd strategy that would be.

As to #2, Proview tried to sell a product called the iPad many years ago, long before the 2009 deal. At that point, there was zero competition between the parties. I suppose that Proview could talk up its bright prospects for the future, but this is rather pathetic and unrealistic given its current financial status.

Also, since Proview never actually transferred the China mark, all of this talk about damages and competition must be restricted to those other jurisdictions that were part of the deal, not China. I have a feeling that makes this case even more ridiculous.

If I’m an Apple lawyer, this threat goes way down on the list of things to worry about. I’m sure Proview could file this in the U.S. somewhere and make some headlines, but it sure seems like a loser lawsuit brought up for mischief making purposes only.
 
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