Dating-Age |OT3| Positivity, Confidence, and Not Being a "Nice" Guy

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Well testicles, she has a boyfriend. Also suddenly I'm not 100% sure it was the right girl, although looking at her Facebook picture (which is tiny), I'm pretty sure it was.

No sweat though, I already knew going in there was about a 50/50 chance of that happening, since my friend told me she had talked before about "getting back with her ex" randomly. At least now I know I can attempt that without fucking it up.

The conversation went something like this by the way, please critique:

Me: I apologize if this comes off a bit creepy, but you are really cute and I was wondering if you would like to go out sometime.
Her: Uhhh, I have a boyfriend, but thanks though.
Me: Alright.
 
I would have just said
"Hey I was wondering something....Are you busy after work?"
"Maybe, why?"
"How would you like me to buy you dinner at *place*?"
 
Me: I apologize if this comes off a bit creepy, but you are really cute and I was wondering if you would like to go out sometime.
Her: Uhhh, I have a boyfriend, but thanks though.
Me: Alright.

Based on the OP you shouldn't have apologized and you also shouldn't have said this might be creepy. You should have started off with you are really cute.

Saying creepy and apologizing shows the girl you don't have confidence.

But she had a boyfriend anyways so it probably wouldn't have worked because of that.
 
Based on the OP you shouldn't have apologized and you also shouldn't have said this might be creepy. You should have started off with you are really cute.

Saying creepy and apologizing shows the girl you don't have confidence.

But she had a boyfriend anyways so it probably wouldn't have worked because of that.

Makes sense, I'll keep that in mind next time.
 
I apologize if this comes off a bit creepy
Cut this. You don't have to apologize for being attracted to her. It's only creepy if you're weird about it... like if you apologize for it.

but you are really cute
Hmm. Could be fine, depending on how you say it.

I was wondering if you would like to...
Reframe. Not "would you like to"--your assumption should be that she would like to. Try "are you free for..."

go out sometime.
Too vague. "A drink on Friday." "A coffee tomorrow afternoon." "XYZ thing I'm doing." Be specific.
 
Cut this. You don't have to apologize for being attracted to her. It's only creepy if you're weird about it... like if you apologize for it.


Hmm. Could be fine, depending on how you say it.


Reframe. Not "would you like to"--your assumption should be that she would like to. Try "are you free for..."


Too vague. "A drink on Friday." "A coffee tomorrow afternoon." "XYZ thing I'm doing." Be specific.

I didn't realize I fucked up this badly with that bit. I guess the reason I threw it in there was because always in my experience, girls seem creeped out a lot of the time if they get hit on at work, but I guess that was just the way a lot of the (crazy) girls in my hometown were and isn't really a global thing. Lesson learned.

I should clarify that's not from my experience hitting on them myself, but from a coworker (female) that I used to work with in a video game store. Granted, it was a video game store, and you have all kinds of creepers coming in there though. I dunno.
 
Sunday she texted that she wanted to be left alone for a while.
Translation: "We are done, leave me alone"

Or is it over and she isn't able or willing to tell me?
She just fucking told you out. See yourself to the door already. fuck

But how do I approach this? She doesn't know that I'll be coming over yet.
You don't go

Pretty girl with issues (divorced parents, abusive mother, stepfather is in jail), the wrong friends and drinking at an early age. Not going to end well. Perhaps I'm still holding on because I want to help her? I don't know.
Yeah, not your fucking problem

Having a girl over to watch Band of Brothers. Don't know if it's a date or not...
im terrible in those situations. in the past i've been completely oblivious, in hindsight. lately i'd do sometihng like text 'yeah i totally love <insert broad characteristic here that also applies to her>' and see how she responds, like "i love blondes" "hey im blonde" "i know ;P" or just talk about how in general guy/girl movie watching always devolves to making out. even then, can be hard to tell if she's game. but it helps clarify when she isnt, sometimes. yeah, amateur hour here lol, hopefully others will have better thoughts.
It is not a date until you are holding your fucking hands together like little bitches

Well testicles, she has a boyfriend. Also suddenly I'm not 100% sure it was the right girl, although looking at her Facebook picture (which is tiny), I'm pretty sure it was.

No sweat though, I already knew going in there was about a 50/50 chance of that happening, since my friend told me she had talked before about "getting back with her ex" randomly. At least now I know I can attempt that without fucking it up.

The conversation went something like this by the way, please critique:

Me: I apologize if this comes off a bit creepy, but you are really cute and I was wondering if you would like to go out sometime.
Her: Uhhh, I have a boyfriend, but thanks though.
Me: Alright.
Bro who cares about her? You got the guts to go get her! Epic Hi5 incoming.
Now onto the critique, I think you were a little bit too overt. You need to create a little rapport first. I would have made a joke first like: "I want a shirt on that shade of red, You seem the one with connections to get me one?" or something. But it's not like your approach was TERRIBLE. You don't need to apologize though.

I won't come too hard on you though, you wen in cold and did it, and that's enough of a challenge! Good job!

That would be me
Ok, how many PM's have you received since the whole neogaf gangbang realized you are a cute chick?
 
I would have just said
"Hey I was wondering something....Are you busy after work?"
"Maybe, why?"
"How would you like me to buy you dinner at *place*?"

God no. Dont use this. First of all it's way too passive, and on top of that you're allowing her two chances to say no.
 
Oh I'm cool with being friends, it's just the last girl was never clear with me in her intentions, and led me through a whole bunch of muck which is a long story, then told me that she 'wanted to be friends'. I told her that I didn't want to be her friend. I only want to be friends if that's what we both want. If both of us don't want that, then it just can't be, you know? At least not until one individual changes to adjust to the way the relationship between the two of them are.

I'm cool with this girl wanting to be my friend in a legitimate sense, but if she's only saying 'lets be friends' as a way to politely let me down, then I'd rather her just be honest with the both of us. :)

The 'easy let down' responses are just annoying. I actually had a girl say something like "I have to think about it" fairly recently. That's one of those times where you just have to laugh. I understand why they do it, but there's a chance the guy isn't going to get it and that's going to get awkward.
 
I've been texting a girl I met on a dating site a few weeks ago (I asked another question earlier in this topic, but that's resolved now), and this morning (about 8 hours ago now) I sent her a quick greeting, to which she immediately replied back. I then sent her another text asking if she wanted to meet up sometime, and get some drinks or something to eat. I haven't heard back.

I'm wondering at what point I should contact her again, and what I should say. I'm not going to just pretend I didn't ask, but at the same time, I don't want to be awkward or forceful. I was thinking about just saying "Hey, don't leave me hanging here. :-)", but I wanted to know what you guys think.
 
asking if she wanted to meet up sometime, and get some drinks or something to eat. I haven't heard back.
Are you guys in America all sissified like this?

"Hey do you want to go out sometime somewhere maybe?" IS NOT A DATE INVITATION

Jeebus, take charge

"hey girl, I like you, you are fun, I am going go get some motherfucking good pancakes at [place] Friday and I would love for you to be with me if possible. Are you up for it?"
BAM! DONE
 
I've been texting a girl I met on a dating site a few weeks ago (I asked another question earlier in this topic, but that's resolved now), and this morning (about 8 hours ago now) I sent her a quick greeting, to which she immediately replied back. I then sent her another text asking if she wanted to meet up sometime, and get some drinks or something to eat. I haven't heard back.

I'm wondering at what point I should contact her again, and what I should say. I'm not going to just pretend I didn't ask, but at the same time, I don't want to be awkward or forceful. I was thinking about just saying "Hey, don't leave me hanging here. :-)", but I wanted to know what you guys think.

Feels bad man. Probably shouldn't have said "meet up sometime" seeing as its Valentines day. Ask her if she wants to grab a drink tonight. Nothing too formal.
 
We live an hour apart, so doing something spontanious isn't a possibility.

I told her I have two weeks off coming up, and if she wanted to meet up at some point then.
 
I've been texting a girl I met on a dating site a few weeks ago (I asked another question earlier in this topic, but that's resolved now), and this morning (about 8 hours ago now) I sent her a quick greeting, to which she immediately replied back. I then sent her another text asking if she wanted to meet up sometime, and get some drinks or something to eat. I haven't heard back.

I'm wondering at what point I should contact her again, and what I should say. I'm not going to just pretend I didn't ask, but at the same time, I don't want to be awkward or forceful. I was thinking about just saying "Hey, don't leave me hanging here. :-)", but I wanted to know what you guys think.

yeah, exactly what bronzewolf wrote. also dont write what you're thinking of writing. you already know the answer to that question, she does want to, or else she wouldnt have given you her number after meeting on a dating site. so skip that part and directly invite her somewhere. if she doesnt answer just send her another one tonight 'want to go for beers/martinis at xxxxxxx bar tomorrow night?' and get rid of that smiley. or at the very least it's nose.

We live an hour apart, so doing something spontanious isn't a possibility.

I told her I have two weeks off coming up, and if she wanted to meet up at some point then.

an hour is nothing, people commute 1.5 hours for jobs all the time. spontaneity is a possibility as far as being able to do something the night of the day it is suggested, an hour isnt much. might suck that you cant get drunk though, lol.
 
Dude! I know EXACTLY what you went through. 3 years of drama with this bitch? More like FIVE. Exactly the same shit. Let me tell you something from bro to bro.

There are good girls out there that won't do this shit.


That is important. Please don't stop trusting girls. This one bitch is not a reflection of what girls can be! Forget about her, she doesn't deserve a millisecond of your thought-time. You should thank your friends for taking that picture for you and telling you on the spot. I wish someone did that for me...

What do you do now?
You forget this bitch with the passion of a thousand suns. Relationships are built on trust and respect. She hasn't earned an ounce of truth and has not respected enough to be a force of good in your life. You want to be with a girl that makes you feel secure, appreciated and confident. Tell me, do you feel that way with that girl? Did you EVER feel that way with this girl?The answer most likely is NO, and that is enough of a reason to drop her from your life. You DO NOT look like an idiot. You did what GOOD people do, and that is, give a good relationship a shoot. She dishonored you, but mostly herself. Who is going to want to be with her now that everybody knows what she did? She has more problems than you do, TRUST ME ON THIS ONE.

Zazrx that girl is a reptile. Drop that shit now. She fooled you twice, don't let it happen a third time. The only reason she came back to you the second time was because she saw you were improving and getting better, and regretted losing hot shit such as yourself.

I anticipate if things don't work with this mystery out of town guy she'll come crawling back to you like the snake she is. Don't fall for it.

Not even a pity fuck my friend. Stonewall that bitch.

Read it.

Cut her out of your life, you're her backup. She's treated you very poorly.

In the future, you should probably come on stronger as interested only in romance. Do not be in the grey area between friends and a couple, and if she puts you there explain that you aren't interested and find someone else.

Zazrx, my advice is to listen this smart lad in here. He has many good points written in way better way that I could manage to do now (5.30 am).

zazrx, I think we've all been through a flaky bitch that only uses you for attention. Stand your ground, have some dignity, and don't give her another chance. Whatever rose-colored tinted glasses you have on, take them off, and see this girl for the trash she is. You have her on such a high pedestal, and she's out there hooking up (probably getting banged and ravaged) by other dudes, while she has you as the back-up plan. Have some respect for yourself and move on.

Damn, zazrx. That girl sounded like she was just using you on the side while she tried to get with other guys.

Thanks for the advice guys. It's pretty much what my friends have told me. I'm getting over her and already starting to look for new girls to talk to and see if I can get dates going. I just need to find a decent girl. It just sucks I had to go through all this shit and waste 3 years like that.
 
"Hey sweet, wanted to tell you not to worry because it isn't you. I know that you're there for me but you don't have to, I just want to be completely alone at the moment. I love you and I'll always will but just leave me for a moment. Loveyousomuchbaby <3"

Ehh yeah... Well I know for sure, I really do, that this whole thing has hit her hard. I'll wait it out then. And yes, I know that you're all saying that I need to end this asap. Isn't going to happen yet though.
 
My date invitation smiley is this one:

>:]

It just sucks I had to go through all this shit and waste 3 years like that.
Yeah, you didn't waste those years, you learned. That bitch wasted them, she didn't. Some other girl will reap the rewards

"Hey sweet, wanted to tell you not to worry because it isn't you. I know that you're there for me but you don't have to, I just want to be completely alone at the moment. I love you and I'll always will but just leave me for a moment. Loveyousomuchbaby <3"

Ehh yeah... Well I know for sure, I really do, that this whole thing has hit her hard. I'll wait it out then. And yes, I know that you're all saying that I need to end this asap. Isn't going to happen yet though.
You keep humping that tree, bro, see where it takes you
 
You know I'm amazed at how a subtle change in how you approach and talk about things can make all the difference. Fucking simple I know but Jesus Christ it suddenly makes sense.

Something as simple as changing saying something like "we maybe should go to [x place]" to, using this in a playful way of course, "let's go to [ x place]" or "hey we're going to [x place], k?" can make all the difference.

Goddamnit. Why did I take so long to realize this. :/
 
This thread certainly seems to go much faster than it used to! Goddamn.

You're just feeling the pressure of Valentine's day, it's natural. It's just another day.

I'm in a relationship and I still hate Valetine's, if that makes you feel any better.
Very true.

I've never really liked the concept of the day anyway, but it does rub in the fact I'm single. :P

Youre not, in fact Ive noticed you have been smiling alot more recently in this thread and starting to put things in a more positive light. Youre doing some good developement alright. Youre beginning to transfer from a negative state of mind, to a positive one. And the fact you are showing desire to improve is great.

FYI, if your friends are so boring, try going out alone to the city. In fact I have an idea for you.

Try giving yourself a mission each time. Me and my friends do it constantly and fuck around with people for shits and giggles. Its an internal drinking/prank game we have.

What we do, is suggest a character personality to each other and adapt/build it onto ourselves. And we MUST stick to it, because if we break the character role, this person has to buy a round for the whole table as penalty.

For instance, one of my bros was portraying himself as a hippie vampire, with a hobby for hats and ph.d in sexology or something like that. Make up. Suit/costume. Everything. People totally dug it because he was so calm, self-amused and completely natural about it. Its like method acting. We take a week of practice and preparation before we do it.

Its extremely barrier-breaking/frontier-moving but it will get you out of your comfort zone and you'll get EVEN MORE comfortable with yourself. Its fun!
Yeah, I'm starting to feel a bit closer to my 2010-self (I was at my most confident, even if I still couldn't approach people).

Also interesting advice! Not sure I'd dress up as a hippie vampire though. :P
 
You're just feeling the pressure of Valentine's day, it's natural. It's just another day.

I'm in a relationship and I still hate Valetine's, if that makes you feel any better.
I'm feeling the pressure today. I hope my GF doesn't outdo me. Seems very possible though. Bad feeling.
 
I don't get this feeling. I will give my girlfriend something she enjoys and she better fucking enjoy it

Normally I'd be all like "He's sleeping on the couch," but, for V-Day? Fucking A right. My opinion is that it's a damn hallmark holiday and an excuse to jack rose prices up. In addition, V-Day is my Mother's birthday. It's like Christmas part two only I don't get jack shit.

Get someone something because someone else said so and now there's an expectation? Fuck yeah they should like it. Sorry for the curses. I hate V-Day.

Edit: Those of you looking for a relationship, don't let V-Day push you into some expensive thing. It's not what matters in the long run and, if it matters to her in the very short term, she's probably not what you would want anyway.
 
Man, that zazrx story and GAFs collective reply has me doubting myself. Am in kind of a rather similar situation, will type up my story later.
 
"Hey sweet, wanted to tell you not to worry because it isn't you. I know that you're there for me but you don't have to, I just want to be completely alone at the moment. I love you and I'll always will but just leave me for a moment. Loveyousomuchbaby <3"

Ehh yeah... Well I know for sure, I really do, that this whole thing has hit her hard. I'll wait it out then. And yes, I know that you're all saying that I need to end this asap. Isn't going to happen yet though.

Best of luck to you, but do yourself a solid and grow some thick skin. She's telling you to leave her and telling you that she loves you immediately thereafter, right there. If that's not bait, I dunno what is.
Again, best of luck.
 
Are you guys in America all sissified like this?

"Hey do you want to go out sometime somewhere maybe?" IS NOT A DATE INVITATION

Jeebus, take charge

"hey girl, I like you, you are fun, I am going go get some motherfucking good pancakes at [place] Friday and I would love for you to be with me if possible. Are you up for it?"
BAM! DONE

I guess I should take this into account too (obviously it made no difference in my situation).
 
We live an hour apart, so doing something spontanious isn't a possibility.

I told her I have two weeks off coming up, and if she wanted to meet up at some point then.

It's going to be pretty tough to start a relationship with someone who you live an hour away from. And even if you do, are you really going to want to travel an hour there and back every time to see her? I lived 20 minutes away from a girl I was seeing in the past and it was a pain. Unless you live somewhere pretty isolated, I'd say look for someone else.
 
Today is the day... of all days, I wish I wasn't single. I hate this day. Everyone so lovey dovey all around me, and all the ads about this day. I just want to puke. :P

Maybe one day right?
This is why you're single.

Also, shoutouts to Bronzewolf for putting in some serious work and kicking this thread into full-gear lately. I can't keep up anymore.
 
I'm supposed to be meeting that girl I talked about a month ago at a pub today to hang, I'm supposed to be her anti-valentine. This is how the convo went


bbm convo said:
Girl: IF YOU NOT SCARED, COPY THIS AND SEE WHAT PEOPLE WRITE YOU
(Red]: I wanna be your Valentine<3<3
(Pink]: I wanna go with you.<3
(Teal]: let's smash :D;)
(Blue]: I kinda like you :$
(Yellow]: I used to like you.:x
(Silver]: I used to have a crush on you
(Brown]: I love you.
(Gold]: I wanna kiss you:*
(Green]: I want you back({})
(Purple]: I wish I knew you better:(
Me: redbluegreenmagentacyantealblackwhitepinksilverandgold stuff
Girl: Lmao
Girl: :p
Me: I have no support for the worst day of the year :<
Girl: Same here
Girl: nti-valentaines day
Girl: Anti*
Me: Wheres my colour though? :p
Girl: Orange
Girl: :D
Me: Hahaha tricky
Girl: Wats tricky?
Girl: Orange is for let hang and have a shot to celebrate how much we hate valentines day
Thiviya. S: Lmao
Me: Secret colour, not on the list
Chidi: You be cheatin
Chidi: But its a pass, you free tomorrow?
Girl: Well morning I am
Me: Blah, busy then. when do you finish classes?
Girl: 5:30
Me: Cool, finish then too. down for the ab after?
Girl: Ab?
Me: Pub in vari hall
Me: One of the million totally random places at york a few people know about
Girl: Lmao hahha
Girl: Is it kk if I let u noe tom?
Girl: Cuz my friends might wanna go out
Girl: But dey don't noe abt it until tom
Girl: So ill let u noe sorry
Me: Ya its cool just hit me up
Girl: Kkk thanx :)
Girl: Hey
Girl: So r u still free today?
Girl: Would u be my anti-valentine?
Girl: :p
Girl: ;;)
Girl: PING!!!
Me: Wsup
Girl So u still free today?
Girl: Wanna go to pub?
Me: Ya im free after 530
Me: Ill hit you up
girl: So ill meet u @ 5:30
Girl: ?
Me: Ye class ends then


So I'm gonna meet up with her in a little over an hour, any recommendations in terms of what to do, or should be looking for?
 
I just realized something.....the only two girls I've ever dated (although I don't really count the first one) came onto me....through instant message. That's incredibly fucking sad, no wonder I have so much trouble asking girls out in real life. Fuck.

(The reason I don't count the first one was because it was for 2 months my freshman year in high school and we never even kissed)
 
It's going to be pretty tough to start a relationship with someone who you live an hour away from. And even if you do, are you really going to want to travel an hour there and back every time to see her? I lived 20 minutes away from a girl I was seeing in the past and it was a pain. Unless you live somewhere pretty isolated, I'd say look for someone else.

That's stupid, an hour is not very much. The girl I went out with lives more than an hour away from me and she drove out to see me several times, no problem. I mean, that relationship didn't work out, but it wasn't because of distance.

And you're complaining about 20 minutes? I travel more than 20 minutes just to see a movie with friends. I transited for over an hour for drunken shenanigans/hang out at an acquaintances apartment with a group of friends. I'm imagining that all your friends and entertainment options are all within 10 minutes of you? That would be awesome for me, but you can't count on that all the time you know.
 
If a bro wants a girl let him travel through sea, mountain and desert to be with her. While I am implacable with bitches, dudes gotta do what you gotta do if you want that pussy. But only if she is worth and only if she will appreciate it.

Don't emasculate yourself. Be fucking Heracles if you need.

(this tip is not for virgins or people who haven't had sex in more than a month)
 
If a bro wants a girl let him travel through sea, mountain and desert to be with her. While I am implacable with bitches, dudes gotta do what you gotta do if you want that pussy. But only if she is worth and only if she will appreciate it.

Don't emasculate yourself. Be fucking Heracles if you need.

(this tip is not for virgins or people who haven't had sex in more than a month)

I wish you could hear the voice I read your posts in.
 
Are you guys in America all sissified like this?

"Hey do you want to go out sometime somewhere maybe?" IS NOT A DATE INVITATION

Jeebus, take charge

"hey girl, I like you, you are fun, I am going go get some motherfucking good pancakes at [place] Friday and I would love for you to be with me if possible. Are you up for it?"
BAM! DONE

If you were a girl asking me that, I'd be up for some delicious fucking pancakes. :D

Really though, the direct approach and letting the girl know you WANT them there & you genuinely like them is a must, at least to leave that question "is it a date" relatively answered.
 
Okay GAF. It's Valentine's Day. I'm depressed. I really dig this one chick. I'm with her all the time. Took her out for her birthday. My parent's own a bath and body products company. So I got her some stuff for today, so she's like "yea, we can go out on tuesday."

We haven't spoken today. I'm really apprehensive about getting close to women because I do not want to get hurt.

Oh this is probably the reason most girls (Or all girls, never had a girlfriend.) don't want anymore than a friendship.

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I have cerebral palsy -_-'
 
You're handsome as fuck, dude. You even dress well. I'm saying this as a straight male.

I know this sounds tired and cliche, but if she doesn't want to spend time with you, then she's not worth it. Women are easily replaceable, and this goes in two ways: the first meaning you shouldn't stress about "losing her" (or any woman who doesn't respect you and your time) and that meeting one just as cool (or more awesome, since this one doesn't sound very cool) as her will be easy if you just keep going. (Unless I'm reading wrong, she flaked on today? Or you haven't confirmed the date with her because you're afraid of getting close?)

I don't know how having CP must be and how it must impact you, so I'm not going to try and pretent like I know. Still, with the right attitude, you'll find someone who will like you so much that they won't give a shit. Keep at it.
 
If a bro wants a girl let him travel through sea, mountain and desert to be with her. While I am implacable with bitches, dudes gotta do what you gotta do if you want that pussy. But only if she is worth and only if she will appreciate it.

Don't emasculate yourself. Be fucking Heracles if you need.

(this tip is not for virgins or people who haven't had sex in more than a month)

Traveling is where I'm a viking. I am the fucking HERCULES of long distance relationships.

Been in one for 3 years, she's going to college in the states, I'm in Canada. But we love the trips we have 3-4 times a year for 2-3 weeks each and love hooking up/get along great and have perfect chemistry. Never really worried about the whole trust/cheating thing... it just doesn't cross my mind. I think it takes a certain kind of person to be okay with it and when I was younger i definitely WAS NOT this person. We text a lot, call each other regularly, skype, play games (she's a gamer, hazzah) it really is a catch for what I want. The catch is she's so far away, haha. But I tell her to focus on school, graduate, take care of herself and in a few years if we're still close let's see what happens then.

Sucks sometimes no doubt, the distance in between, but thankfully I'm mature enough to realize that this fun thing we have going could end sooner than later. Till then, since day 1 my mindset has been have fun with it and see where it goes. Enjoy what we have for what it is and don't invest too much because we do live so far away. (Well, other than the flight costs, but honestly, it's a wicked vacation). She loves the trips as much as I do so it's a win win having both of us go back and forth. Haven't really met any women I've been big into the past few years, but if I did I'd have some thinking to do. I really do love this girl.

Oh yeah, hello, I'm new to this thread.
 
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