Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator

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Thoraxes said:
At the end of EoE when
Shinji and Auska are washed up on the beach., the souls basically get returned to everyone, and since he still chooses to shape it, everything is a do-over but a sequel on the same planet, while everyone forgets the series events, or something like that.
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I thought the whole part of the ending was that he did not shape it at all? He refused the instrumentality.
 
Hitokage said:
There is a short span of episodes of Maison Ikkoku you absolutely should skip. A blanket ban on Ten episodes, though, will cut out quite a lot of good material.
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Right, there's bits here and there that aren't worth your time. I mean, not every episode can be great, it's just the nature of long-running shows.
 
Thoraxes said:
At the end of EoE when
Shinji and Auska are washed up on the beach., the souls basically get returned to everyone, and since he still chooses to shape it, everything is a do-over but a sequel on the same planet, while everyone forgets the series events, or something like that.
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It'd work so much better if
Rebuild was a prequel -- either the beginning of it all, or simply one particular go-round. End of Evangelion and the TV ending show Shinji finally embracing reality and breaking out of the cycle of death and rebirth. It'd also have the benefit of ultimately not tampering with the Evangelion that everyone knows and loves.

The visuals and
Kaworu
make this mostly impossible, though.

edit: also, people would just complain that it's a rip off a certain recent show.

Hellsing321 said:
And EOE has an awesome dvd menu.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay174Yvnx7s
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I have a bad habit of letting DVDs idle on the menu. But not with EoE. Never with EoE.
 
Trojita said:
I thought the whole part of the ending was that he did not shape it at all? He refused the instrumentality.
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Yes he did
refuse instrumentality, which means that everyone would not become a singular entity.
That doesn't mean that he can't have some control over what he wanted the world to become due to what he had ascended to after he rejected the joining of humanity, because he got to choose after all, nobody is sure why though yet if it is true. (that area is a point of contention though as to why he did it, because the rumor has not been proven true or false either way).
 
[Natsume IV - 7]

This episode surprised me on two distinct levels. Firstly, it was a hell of a lot darker and more graphic than the show has been in the past. I mean -
youkai screaming and begging for mercy as they get devoured, pools of blood everywhere, blood splatter all over the walls etc.
It seemed a bit out of place, considering the shows usual tone. For the most part I didn't find it particularly affecting either, there just didn't seem to be any weight behind it.

Secondly, all those yaoi/bl undertones that the show has always had suddenly became overtones in a really unsubtle manner -

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Like, woah. There's a lot of boys tearfully discussing their feelings for each other. Not that I have anything against that, or that it's a bad thing, it's just feels like they've made explicit something that's always been implicit. I don't know if they're going to carry on in this manner or if this was a one-off thing for this arc, I suppose it remains to be seen.

Finally, I'll just complain that there were some really weird edits in this episode. Not many, just a handful, but they were fairly noticeable, in a 'scene missing' kind of way.
 
None of you guys have read Shinji & Warhammer 40K?

TV Tropes said:
As its name suggests, Shinji and Warhammer40k is a Neon Genesis Evangelion Fan Fiction that incorporates elements of everyone's favorite Grim Dark sci-fi setting into brutal Humongous Mecha action. Shinji Ikari, the resident Butt Monkey of the Eva series, discovers a case full of Warhammer 40,000 miniatures and rulebooks at a very young age, with a profound effect on his personality, character, and relationship with his guardians. He somehow takes a full 20 levels in badass as a result, becoming a Badass Bookworm Magnificent Bastard who knows no fear, charges headlong into combat without hesitation, exhibits nearly prescient planning abilities, and earns the reverence and adoration of his people for his heroism.

In the second chapter, he actually arrives in Tokyo-3 and meets his Evangelion.

Though the fic's title is simply Shinji and Warhammer 40K, there are numerous other influences at work. The story loosely follows Evangelion's established sequence of major events, but anything else that's strictly canon is pretty much kicked to the curb around the end of chapter nineteen. Shinji himself evolves into some amalgamation of Paul Atreides, Batman, Big Boss, Ciaphas Cain, Carrot Ironfoundersson, Simon The Digger, Lelouch vi Britannia, Ender Wiggin, and unless he's careful, The God-Emperor of Mankind. The story oscillates between pitched battles that manage to top the fight scenes from Eva and domestic comedy worthy of Tenchi Muyo!, the mood between the bleak despair resulting when you add Grim Dark to Evangelion and Hot Blooded defiance in the face of imminent defeat. Cast members are developed in interesting ways but not to the point of being warped beyond recognition, while the realities of Second Impact and the implications of such an event are explored to a greater extent than the source material. The author has managed to write an Eva 'fic that replaces the Wangst and navel contemplation with Beyond the Impossible, the Rule Of Cool, and chainswords, understanding and respecting the source material but doing something completely different with it. The result is something that both Eva and 40Ks fanbases can enjoy, while acting as a bridge between them and a gateway beyond. The author has also acknowledged TV Tropes as an aid to the fic. Be aware, though: Chekhov's Armoury is very much in effect, and continuity can be tricky to follow as a result.
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Jexhius said:
[Natsume IV - 7]

Like, woah. There's a lot of boys tearfully discussing their feelings for each other. Not that I have anything against that, or that it's a bad thing, it's just feels like they've made explicit something that's always been implicit. I don't know if they're going to carry on in this manner or if this was a one-off thing for this arc, I suppose it remains to be seen.
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Nothing wrong with homolust!!!

KO Traveling Hobo said:
Can't we all just get along? End of Evangelion and the TV ending compliment each other and both are super awesome.

And the End of Rebuild is also going to be super awesome.
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When I learned that "real" fans think that End of Evangelion and the TV ending are two totally disparate endings, I think I about lost it.

Also, the film removes all subtlety from the franchise... but not in a cool 2001: A Space Odyssey kind of way.
 
Trojita said:
None of you guys have read Shinji & Warhammer 40K?
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I've read of it, but I can't bring myself to actually read it. The only Eva fanfic I've read was Children of an Elder God(Eva+Lovecraft), and I ended up doing a lot of skimming and skipping.

I also read about someone reading Re-Take, if that counts.

firehawk12 said:
When I learned that "real" fans think that End of Evangelion and the TV ending are two totally disparate endings, I think I about lost it.
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That completely misses the point of Evangelion: accepting reality, for good and for ill.
Also, the film removes all subtlety from the franchise... but not in a cool 2001: A Space Odyssey kind of way.
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I've sucked Rebuild's knob enough in other threads, so I'll let this one go.
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
That completely misses the point of Evangelion: accepting reality, for good and for ill.
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My understanding is that the Eva community believes that
Shinji accepts Instrumentality in the TV series and becomes a puddle of goo, while in the movie he rejects it and is able to escape.

I think their interpretation of the TV series is wacky and I don't know how people could come to that conclusion.
 
firehawk12 said:
My understanding is that the Eva community believes that
Shinji accepts Instrumentality in the TV series and becomes a puddle of goo, while in the movie he rejects it and is able to escape.

I think their interpretation of the TV series is wacky and I don't know how people could come to that conclusion.
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I can see how the absurdity of the final scene might make people consider that possibility, but when you put it into the context of the last two episodes, that makes zero sense. Possibly negative sense, even.
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
I can see how the absurdity of the final scene might make people consider that possibility, but when you put it into the context of the last two episodes, that makes zero sense. Possibly negative sense, even.
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I know, right! And somehow the movie affirms that reading of the television ending, which makes me hate the movie even more. :p


Jexhius said:
Not at all, I'm just commenting that I expected them to make out by the end of the episode.
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You don't know that they didn't!
 
firehawk12 said:
My understanding is that the Eva community believes that
Shinji accepts Instrumentality in the TV series and becomes a puddle of goo, while in the movie he rejects it and is able to escape.

I think their interpretation of the TV series is wacky and I don't know how people could come to that conclusion.
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The Eva community is nuts.
 
EVA had two different endings? I must have missed the second one, then, since both endings I saw were the same one.


LAGRANGE: Episode 06



I really loved how moody the beginning of the episode was. There was some "nice" shots, and the stormy outdoors really helped set the stage for the episode.
Gratuitous Lan shot!

Someone in here referred to Madoka as a female Luffy, and I thought they were crazy, but it seems that's definitely the direction she's headed more and more. Glad it's still funny, though.

So,
Village's ultimatum
has left them with no choice but to go on the offensive! GOOD! Even considering
destroying the Ovids was a dumb idea.
The "Hey, guys, us archaelogists are still here!" feeling Madoka's sister and Sota had in the episode was kind of annoying.

I should take the time to learn the space guys' names, since the overly dramatic one is so funny, haha.

Madoka's collection of victims bottles is impressive, to say the least. I've never had an energy drink before, but I'd wager I would be in the hospital after that much. Seems like Lan's a light-weight in that department too.
Man, that squinty eyed guy... I still don't trust him one bit.
He has to be the one that let the prisoner go. Also, where the heck is that guy? Did he just vanish or not return to the others?
HMM?! But, yeah, seemed like Moid needed to talk to Muginami
only for the sole purpose of getting her into the Ovid,
haha.


So, yeah, good to know they are going to pretty much just be using the cgi models for the piercer mode. The fighting stuff was good until you know who showed up...
Dang it, I just can't find a single thing to like about Muginami. Please, for the love of all things good, make me like this character, show! Her stupid whining and "I didn't ask for your revenge!" and defending Village...
Ugh.
WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON, MADOKA?!


Moid seems to be up to something (moreso than usual). So, yeah, things just got serious.
Also, they could just make the entire show shots of scenery, and I'd be just fine with that.
Chairs.
 
I don't even know what firehawk is talking about; the widely accepted consensus in Eva communities like EvaGeeks is that the TV ending and the movie ending are the same told from two different perspectives.

Anyway, as an addendum to my previous post about EoE's PVs and trailers: note how Rebuild's trailers are all pretty typical BIG BAD ACTION MOVIE FILLED WITH HEARTPUMPING ACTION AND EXPLOSIONS trailers, even when they use the same movie as some of the EoE trailers.
 
7Th said:
All these PVs and trailers for EoE remind me how fangless and dull Rebuild is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ki7WIODbAw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOW1frRQW8Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ-4myiJIQg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-5pXpLCRgQ
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Why are you comparing the cinematic finale for a 26 episode series to a story that's only at the halfway(ish) point?

Or would you also consider Magma Diver to be a shining standard of incisive and thrilling storytelling?
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
Why are you comparing the cinematic finale for a 26 episode series to a story that's only at the halfway(ish) point?

Or would you also consider Magma Diver to be a shining standard of incisive and thrilling storytelling?
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I'm comparing the tone of the trailers and PVs, nothing more.
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
They're still completely different. It's like comparing the EoE PVs to the TV series' commercials.
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Actually, here are some previews from the TV show; they're for the episodes that are supposed to take place right after
the battle with Zeruel, which was the ending of Rebuild 2.0
:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbSoYFe3qg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efEJY4i0kio

The tone is clearly compeltely different from the tone in Rebuild's PVs and trailers.

Speaking of previews, the ones for final episodes of the TV show make it very clear that the TV ending is supposed to be the same ending as EoE's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiID_i8uaWU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJHI-6ALnXw
 
7Th said:
Actually, here are some previews from the TV show; they're for the episodes that are supposed to take place right after
the battle with Zeruel, which was the ending of Rebuild 2.0
:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbSoYFe3qg8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efEJY4i0kio
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Here's the preview for 3.0. I'd say it's suitably Eva-esque. Especially when you consider how much more they have to fit into it.

If you don't like Rebuild, that's cool, but "it's bad because it's not exactly the same as the original" is silly.
 
Just finished Kuuchuu Buranko. Really enjoyable anime and the visuals were pretty unique. I didn't mind the way they did the faces and the nurse. Thought it was pretty cool. Episode 10 is by far my favourite one especially with the reveal near the end.

Now time to move on to either Dennou Coil or Haibane Renmei
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
If you mean Rebuild, it doesn't affirm anything yet!
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I mean End of Evangelion.
Femmeworth said:
The Eva community is nuts.
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Yes!
7Th said:
I don't even know what firehawk is talking about; the widely accepted consensus in Eva communities like EvaGeeks is that the TV ending and the movie ending are the same told from two different perspectives.
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This was from the Evangelion episode of ANNCast, with some expert from Evageeks and the "V" guy who dresses like... the V guy and gives panels at anime conventions about Evangelion. lol

Jexhius said:
I guess you're right, there's is a tasteful cut away there.
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It's all what we don't see!
 
Jexhius said:
[Natsume IV - 7]

Like, woah. There's a lot of boys tearfully discussing their feelings for each other. Not that I have anything against that, or that it's a bad thing, it's just feels like they've made explicit something that's always been implicit. I don't know if they're going to carry on in this manner or if this was a one-off thing for this arc, I suppose it remains to be seen.
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The series is clearly trying to mix things up to keep itself from becoming too stale. Normally I'd be happy about that, but Natsume is really, really good when it sticks to its basic formula and not quite as good when it branches out. So I can't help wishing it was more formulaic.

Jexhius said:
Not at all, I'm just commenting that I expected them to make out by the end of the episode.
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I was already expecting that to happen in the episode where the actor guy was introduced in season 1.
 
Uchip said:
At least they have the decency to inform us that there will be more fanservice!
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Good thing, too. Otherwise I wouldn't bother watching 3.0.
firehawk12 said:
I mean End of Evangelion.
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You lost me. I thought we were in agreement that EoE and the TV end are the same thing.

Or did you mean that fans believe EoE affirms their pants-on-head interpretation of the TV ending, and that's what makes you hate EoE more?

I'm a little slow, bear with me here.
 
Hellsing321 said:
That means he has even less credibility than a random Eva fan.
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Probably. I assumed they were representative of the Eva fan, since they are "famous" enough to be singled out to be on the podcast.

KO Traveling Hobo said:
You lost me. I thought we were in agreement that EoE and the TV end are the same thing.

Or did you mean that fans believe EoE affirms their pants-on-head interpretation of the TV ending, and that's what makes you hate EoE more?

I'm a little slow, bear with me here.
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I'm saying both, actually.
 
FullMetal Alchemist: Sacred Star of Milos

So good for the first 3/4ths, and then
the brother appears, "I AM SO GENERICALLY EVIL, MUAHAHAHAHAH - oh wait, I got my body back, time to wander the world".

Apart from that, and the excess of
cg bridges
in the beginning, it was a very solid movie that incorporated a lot of the best elements of the FMA series. The ambiguous nuances were well done here for the most part, I liked that
Julia decided to use the philosopher's stone; I can understand Ed's reasoning for why he doesn't want to use it himself, but his constant forcing of his beliefs/morality on others gets a bit wearing, if the stone is already there, than why not use it for a good purpose? Julia suddenly getting red eyes and mysterious hair waving was a bit overdone, though.

I personally liked the new artstyle, squidhair and all. The animation was quite solid too, I can see what duckroll means when he keeps talking about all the verticality and whatnot. What was up with the
Harry Potter beam fights at the end? so random...

I was expecting the city to be a giant alchemy circle, but I didn't think of the 3d aspect, that was a nice touch. Which brings me to another minor annoyance with the movie. Julia thinks it's alright to use all the dead people in the philosopher's stone to help restore Milos, which is fine, but then when Miranda dies, she goes all berserk and everything. I mean, that makes sense, but what was she expecting? People needed to die for the philosopher's stone to be made, she should have thought of what the consequences actually meant before hand. And then she still decides to use the philosopher's stone. I just didn't quite like that whole sequence of events.

I felt so cheated by
Mustang's fight not being shown! Why does Bones have to tease me so. :( They really should make a spinoff series just about Mustang going around turning people into bacon.

I think the movie's last quarter would have been much better without
GENERICALLY EVIL BROTHER. Seriously, he served no point in the movie at all, and Atlas was already fulfilled the generically evil shounen villain role well. The brother even spouted about half the same lines as Atlas did, what the hell was Bones thinking. The cameos were a nice touch, even if Armstrong had the most pointless one in the movie.

Also,
more shipping chances for Al now!
Bones sure knows what's important.

Too bad this bombed, meaning we probably will never see another FMA movie, this one was a big improvement on the first.
 
KO Traveling Hobo said:
Here's the preview for 3.0. I'd say it's suitably Eva-esque. Especially when you consider how much more they have to fit into it.

If you don't like Rebuild, that's cool, but "it's bad because it's not exactly the same as the original" is silly.
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All I'm saying is that it is clearly more conventional. I didn't make any judgements of value. I used the word dull as "lacking (its original) edge" not as "uninteresting".
 
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