Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator
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hosannainexcelsis
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I haven't seen another Xebec mecha show to compare it to, but I think Jexhius did a good job at explaining some of what Rinne does right visually in this post. There are some seriously breathtaking shots in there.
I just want them outside more often than not really. Even if they had to do another swimming competition...
I personally prefer Natsume S4 over Ano Natsu. The visual narrative is as strong as S2, and whenever Nyanko and Natsume are in the same room, I really dig the setting if that makes any sense.
Totally agree. Also, once they inevitably get to the
space planets/space war stuff,
flashbacks
Frankly, I think I'm just spoiled by what they've done especially in the early episodes. Watching the characters whenever they're inside just feels strangely claustrophobic.
And yeah, those things have potential to broaden horizons in a sense.
I mean, those are ok shots, but they're at the service of bad mecha design, ultra-generic character design, and a milquetoast setting. So whats the point?
Im just kinda shocked that a show like this can be seen as a visual highpoint. Have the standards really dropped this much?
Im just kinda shocked that a show like this can be seen as a visual highpoint. Have the standards really dropped this much?
hosannainexcelsis
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I agree, and here I don't think it's simply a matter of personal preference. Natsume's visual style is cohesive in a way that Ano Natsu doesn't quite match.
Probably because Natsume pretends light exists only when it feels like it.
I like the look and feel of Natsume visually, but it can be pretty lazy and unambitious with its shots.
firehawk12
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So is this one of those "sakuga > everything else" things?
Lololol.
hosannainexcelsis
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I disagree on the mecha design (sleek, nice curves, easy on the eyes) and the setting (as Geneijin implied, building interiors are not notable but the exterior design - the cityscapes, water, sky - is great). I would not praise the character designs, which have nothing to do with what Jexhius was talking about anyway.
I can't speak for anime fans at large, but I know my standards have only risen since I started watching anime in 2003 or so. If you wish to disagree with my tastes, that is of course your prerogative.
Natsume may not be the most visually ambitious anime, but does consistently line up attractive shots that fit with its story. Ano Natsu is perhaps too ambitious for its own good, in the sense that its fanservice and fantasy elements don't always mesh well with the overall nostalgic and realistic style.
I'm talking strictly about the visual quality of a show, so "sakuga" is going to be pretty important. I've been focusing on art and design more than animation per se, though Rinne did take up a good deal of January's monthly sakuga video.
I really don't think this is true. If it were "just another Xebec mecha show" I definitely wouldn't have watched 6 episodes of it. I wasn't interested in Fafner at all, and I bailed out of Heroic Age after 2 episodes. I think it's pretty obvious that there's something different about Flower Declaration. It uses colors very effectively, and there's a lot of charm to how things look and how they move. It's a much more charming show than Fafner or Heroic Age, and it doesn't take itself very seriously, which helps with the tone of the show. I would say if anything, it is much more similar to Stellvia, except with actual mechs and fights, and a much more visually appealing setting with the sun, the sea, and the clouds.
Flower Declaration? It's a split-season show. The second half of the show airs this Summer.
Yep! I'm ready and waiting with all my protective gear on. So much hype.
Haha, was talking about NichiBros but I didn't know Rinne was a 2 cour series.
firehawk12
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Shouldn't everyone just agree that the only reason people watch Rinne is because of "wan" and pseudo-yuri?
I find it interesting that people also praise Ano Natsu's art, when it's really about aliens with boobs and a girl who
. I probably don't disagree that Ano Natsu has good art, but the stuff that actually happens in the show distracts from that.
I find it interesting that people also praise Ano Natsu's art, when it's really about aliens with boobs and a girl who
is a secret nudist who runs around without underwear
hosannainexcelsis
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It sounds like you're projecting yourself onto everyone else.
That's normal for him.
Can't wait for the Steins;Gate OVA.
i can't speak for others but that's definitely why i'm watching it!
First of all, I really don't see how the premise of a show can detract from the overall quality of the aesthetics and secondly
are you saying that an alien with tits and a cute secret nudist is a bad thing????!!
Neko Mimi Mode
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The character and mecha designs in Rinne are somewhat uninspiring, but everything else (artistically) is top drawer, like backgrounds etc.
While it certainly detracts from the experience for me, that's more because I have little to no tolerance for pandering/fanservice/ecchi in anime, regardless of how it's animated. I can still appreciate Ano Natsu and Rinne being artistically impressive though.
While it certainly detracts from the experience for me, that's more because I have little to no tolerance for pandering/fanservice/ecchi in anime, regardless of how it's animated. I can still appreciate Ano Natsu and Rinne being artistically impressive though.
firehawk12
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I think this just comes down to people who are honest with themselves and people who are not.
Funny. After 3-4 years of watching anime consistently, it doesn't bother me at all any more. Like video game violence, I suppose.
Relax, people pay for the kind of self-discovery (or rediscovery) you're doing now.
So were you into bara?
hosannainexcelsis
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I think this just comes down to people who are honest with themselves and people who are not.
Speaking honestly, the reasons why I have been watching Rinne are the visuals, the action, Madoka, and its overall light-hearted atmosphere. "Wan" is one of my least favorite aspects of the show, since it's a nonsensical and forced character quirk, and the "pseudo-yuri" is something I don't care about at all.
The latest reactions in here have been causing me to consider dropping the show anyway. I'm already a couple episodes behind.
I pretty much watch Rinne because it has that + it's fairly well-made and doesn't take itself to seriously.
firehawk12
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I suppose to me, those are part of the overall "service" package. "Wan" just happens to be the more extreme part of that package.
See!
Nothing wrong with being honest with yourself!
hosannainexcelsis
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I can enjoy "service" up to a certain point, but when it gets too extreme, as you put it, it becomes a problem. Madoka's "maru" is a similar quirk to Lan's, but it seems to spring more naturally from her personality. Madoka is so energetic, optimistic, and excited about what she does that she can't help but express that in some forceful way. I don't see a similar connection between Lan's cold and detached nature and "wan".
What I'm trying to say is, it's possible to be light-hearted without having naked parties in the ocean.
firehawk12
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Yeah, but then people go ahead and call it boring, because that's basically K-On or Tamayura.
I just feel like the show has been made for a very specific audience anyway. Consciously so - even the crass way in which Muginami has been made sympathetic in the recent episode.
i should add that i really like the light hearted atmosphere of the show and if it wasn't thanks to that i probably wouldn't've even bothered watching it past the first episode.I think this just comes down to people who are honest with themselves and people who are not.
A Black Falcon
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Watch Crimson Wolf.
Bodacious Space Pirates 7 - Have I said how great this show is?
Yes?
Well, Bodacious Space Pirates is an outstanding series, so it deserves the praise. In this episode, it is revealed that Marika's gradesa re suffering. Hopefully she can turn things around at school, I can understand why her focus isn't on schoolwork but she's right to consider it important. But despite intentions to study (after going back to that kind of stupid maid cafe she works at of course), Marika gets dragged off onto another bout of pirating.
Just like in ep. 6, the pirating is mostly farcical, as the victims cheer the arrival of the pirates, are reimbursed by the company later, and as usual no injuries occur on either side. Pirates apparently are an entertainment act for bored space liner guests, some of the time, at least. And sure, why not, it's as good a use for them as any, with the war over. But as the episode hints at, and as has been shown earlier in the show, there is a serious side to this too. It seems that next episode will bring the more serious side back, with this stowaway. (On that note, the preview spoils who the stowaway is. That was kind of stupid, they should have left it a secret...)
Oh, there's also a bit in this episode with Chiaki and Marika's friend at the cafe having a conversation. Good scene. The episode as a whole was great fun as always. Stuff like Marika having to wend her way through the clutter-filled halls of the Bentenmaru's amusing too. Overall, I want the next episode, now!
High School DxD 7 - Too bad, MC, no clothes-stripping-acid-spewing slime for a pet for you... and you'll have to wait another month for another chance at a pet, too. Should have tried for a more attainable one I guess... healer girl got a nice pet, though. Overall, good episode as always. The MC is such a dedicated pervert, normally such characters in anime don't act that way in front of girls, but he has no qualms.
He can't get everything all at once, has to earn his powers through more effort than just desiring them.
On a related note, given that I do really like Love Hina, I'm not surprised how many people here bash it...
Bodacious Space Pirates 7 - Have I said how great this show is?
Yes?
Well, Bodacious Space Pirates is an outstanding series, so it deserves the praise. In this episode, it is revealed that Marika's gradesa re suffering. Hopefully she can turn things around at school, I can understand why her focus isn't on schoolwork but she's right to consider it important. But despite intentions to study (after going back to that kind of stupid maid cafe she works at of course), Marika gets dragged off onto another bout of pirating.
Just like in ep. 6, the pirating is mostly farcical, as the victims cheer the arrival of the pirates, are reimbursed by the company later, and as usual no injuries occur on either side. Pirates apparently are an entertainment act for bored space liner guests, some of the time, at least. And sure, why not, it's as good a use for them as any, with the war over. But as the episode hints at, and as has been shown earlier in the show, there is a serious side to this too. It seems that next episode will bring the more serious side back, with this stowaway. (On that note, the preview spoils who the stowaway is. That was kind of stupid, they should have left it a secret...)
Oh, there's also a bit in this episode with Chiaki and Marika's friend at the cafe having a conversation. Good scene. The episode as a whole was great fun as always. Stuff like Marika having to wend her way through the clutter-filled halls of the Bentenmaru's amusing too.
Overall, I want the next episode, now!High School DxD 7 - Too bad, MC, no clothes-stripping-acid-spewing slime for a pet for you... and you'll have to wait another month for another chance at a pet, too. Should have tried for a more attainable one I guess... healer girl got a nice pet, though. Overall, good episode as always. The MC is such a dedicated pervert, normally such characters in anime don't act that way in front of girls, but he has no qualms.
He can't get everything all at once, has to earn his powers through more effort than just desiring them.
A performing company? Yeah, you're right, they really do, though there's certainly a serious side to it too.
Yeah, I fully expect that
the answer's something on the sinister side, and that that wasn't just a mistake.
The female character who is "strong", but not strong enough to resist stronger males, and desires a strong man who can defeat her and make her his, is a classical and extremely sexist female stereotype. Don't be fooled by the fact that the woman in question has some strength, it mostly just exists to be broken down by the guy in question, essentially.
Yes, it is a problem, just because some women like it doesn't mean it's not sexist (against women)! Case in point, the horribly sexist Twilight franchise, but there are more examples for sure.
Now THIS is a masterful troll review, that's for sure.
While Love Hina is a great show (was and still is!), it's probably not the ONLY anime someone should watch.
On a related note, given that I do really like Love Hina, I'm not surprised how many people here bash it...
Yeah, Haibane Renmei has got to be near or at the top of that list for me as well.
Haha, no way in hell could I ever post that. Trust me. I'll give you all what my opinion on "Do you think anime will die?" was back then, though (8 yrs ago)
criiiiiingeeeee
Muginami is icky, Lan is boring and Maru actually makes sense.
She says maru and does the hand sign as a signal that she completed a task. She does it from the start for her jersey club.
Only one thing to do bro.
Still annoying, though.zeroshiki said:
I could live without wan or maru. Keep the pseudo-yuri, eject Muginami out of the hatch.
hosannainexcelsis
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Ah, but those shows don't have mecha!
Certainly. Not being in that audience, I feel free to criticize it for the things it does that detract from my enjoyment of it.
I don't mind because its a character quirk for her. And at least its explained. The wan is never explained and exists basically as fanboy bait. OH LOOK AT LAN SHE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A DOG DRAW HER AS A DOG-GIRL IN YOUR DOUJINS.
fortunately for me my dumb young weeaboo phase was pretty much limited to reading one piece, berserk and hxh.
firehawk12
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Yeah, but think about it. All cartoon characters have gimmicks because it makes them easily memorable and stand-out. It's just that these gimmicks happen to be moe (even maru) more than anything else.
There's something to be said about youthful idealism anyway!
It's funny because I've read that romance novels are being written to provide female characters with more agency, but I still assume they all involve being swept off your feet by a man.
I guess my argument is that, we all are part of that audience - at least in some respect, however small. Or otherwise we wouldn't be watching it!
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Eeeeeeeeverybody Loves Raymond.
I watch it for the mecha action, the strong and energetic female protagonist and the colorful presentation. The pseudo-yuri is a nice plus, while the wan is shit I'd do without.
Unknown Soldier
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Don't make me bring up Xenoglossia here.
A Black Falcon
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I didn't get into anime until college.
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