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Magi

Just beat him up Alibaba. And Aladdin has the mind eye.

Karate Minoru

Hahaha at Minami stalling for time.

Liar Game

LOL Akiyama trolling with Harimoto at end.
 
Oh man been a while since the last bandwagon (Gamaran? I don't even remember). Magi's really really good.

Magi 73

Does anyone know if you're supposed to say Rukh with a hard h or a soft h? I don't know if I'm supposed to use my Hebrew voice when I read it
As it is Arabian nights themed, I'd personally pronounce it like the Spanish j (jota). That's the sound "kh" is supposed to make anyway.
 
I'll read more later but I'm still weirded out by the media depiction of Aladdin being in the Middle-East. I know, I know, Disney, but the original story was set in China so you'd think they'd go for more the source material.
 
It does not surprise me that you are trying to put other manga down just for your to show precious one piece to be better. SMFH.

Considering quite a few people got upset about this Fairy Tail chapter, including people who actually liked this arc (I know, cause I myself did) I find it really odd that you choose to go for the age old "oh you One Piece fans just put other manga down cause you're such rabid fans" argument.


I try not to meddle too much with these petty flamebait debates you guys have, but I do tend to read most of them. It genuinly annoys me how somehow liking One Piece & being very critical of other manga somehow means a person is just a rabid OP fan putting other stuff down because they want to make OP look good, or whatever it is you're implying.


I'm pretty sure I'm not talking just for myself when I say I don't want to dislike Fairy Tail. Heck I actually really enjoyed the last few chapters to a degree I haven't liked FT before.

But the same complaints BO and a few other people are voicing are exactly the sort of stuff that makes FT's position on my favourites list extremely questionable, because it completely overrides my suspension of disbelief.

This in no way relates to FT's relative position to OP. I didn't decide to bash every single flaw OP had when I realised I like HxH much better. Because I feel both series manage to stand on their own merrits.

I notice that in your argument there's a lot of cheap shots about BO liking One Piece & his complaint not being literally correct because the Mage Council isn't there.

But that's hardly the point of the complaint at all. The issue in the latest FT chapter is that we're supposed to believe that in the biggest magic tournament that has been featured for years and years, it's this easy to cheat, badly and blatantly too.


Now we might not literally know how powerful the mages organizing this tournament are, however, if you think about how the tournament started & how insane the magic behind the events thus far has been and compare this level of magic to what we've seen in the series so far ... it's intense.

You can't possibly argue that the organizers behind this tournament, capable of creating entire towns out of thin air & making hundreds of near-perfect clones that manage to amaze other powerful mages aren't capable of detecting extremely obvious cheating by a guild that isn't even that powerful.


Obviously this is what we're supposed to believe, considering that's what happened in this chapter. But it makes absolutely no sense in light of the powers shown.


I won't even start about the implications of them not taking any preventative measures against cheating. It's pretty clear raven claw isn't even the strongest group in this tournament, their entire reason for being here is to give Fairy Tail an unfair disability because they keep getting trolled. So if a fairly average guild like Raven Claw is capable of breaking the rules without consequence.

What sort of implications would this have regarding the tournament as a whole? Could a character like Rufus just use his memory magic to help his allies win each match without anyone noticing or caring? If this last chapter is anything to go by, yes he could.


And this is where it really starts becoming a bigger issue, because everyone knows Rufus won't cheat his way to the top like that. The only reason this sort of cheating is happening at all is because it's meant to give Fairy Tail an undeserved underdog position.

That's the part that makes this so annoying, rather than making Fairy Tail the underdog through a sneaky yet clever means, the cheapest trick in the book is used. But under these sort of circumstances that shouldn't be possible. That really feels like lazy writing to me.

Sure there's a billion ways to rationalize how it could logically happen, but the moment a reader starts to question it that alone is enough of a problem.
 
I'll read more later but I'm still weirded out by the media depiction of Aladdin being in the Middle-East. I know, I know, Disney, but the original story was set in China so you'd think they'd go for more the source material.
There are China-likes in the story too though, as the entire world is the setting (there are a lot of world maps)
Treat it more like the first arcs just happened to be in the Middle East countries

Bakuman

Should've denied it.

They're making it seem like she's not denying it because she's confident about it, but to me that seems counter-intuitive. If she were confident in the relationship, she could easily deny it. It makes her seem like an insecure mess.

Karate Shoukoushi

Wait I thought you can't grab?

Is that cheating then?
 
Bakuman 168:

The two public speeches just made Saiko and Miho's dream even worse, IMO. Their dream of getting married after getting an anime/etc was already difficult to take seriously, but now because everyone knows about their dream and all the details they've basically added a "the whole world is against us being together" angle. It was better when Saiko and Miho were fighting for their dream in secret/only a few people knowing about it. But this is Bakuman we're talking about so I can't be "that disappointed".

Liar Game 149:

I was waiting for the "mind games" to start. Although I'm hoping Harimoto isn't out of tricks now that he's been exposed.
 
I can't believe this start all over FT .
The thing is most people point out that what happen in this chapter was stupid .
It's not like it's just 1 person trolling FT this chapter or anything like that .
FT is okay in my book but i just getting tired of them getting troll just so they can get a comeback in the end .
 
Of course you would have!

Magi 73

Man, this was a great chapter. Alladin seems to have quite a fitting new power. Still wondering what kind of effect it had on Jubal. Did he just hear the black Rukh of the people fighting? Let's see how Alibaba will make use of it how Cassim will fit in the grander scheme of things if he's saved.

Magi

Is Aladdin a girl?

:-|
 
So did you predict Aizen was going to turn into a semen-covered man-beast when he was first introduced?

Totally irrelevant. The overarching story completely fits the DBZ formula. Vaguely mysterious father, check, Powering up with an ability that makes the protagonist lose some degree of control, check, sidekicks that seem to train all the time only to be useless when it truly matters, check.

Well, what else is new for you guys?

...

I'm thinking of getting a One Piece tattoo.

I cant wait for the delicious regret in about 2-4 years. Just get a good pirate tattoo. Tattoos based in self branding rather than independant art are always inferior.
 
I'm serious, is he? Cause the wraps around his titties, the girlish looks, and long hair kind of tip me off. As far as I know, the manga seems to imply otherwise, but I could see him hiding his gender so he doesn't scare off his genie.

Totally irrelevant. The overarching story completely fits the DBZ formula. Vaguely mysterious father, check, Powering up with an ability that makes the protagonist lose some degree of control, check, sidekicks that seem to train all the time only to be useless when it truly matters, check.
That isn't DBZ formula (or, to be precise, DBZ didn't create that formula) but I highly doubt you would really expect any of the random twists in Bleach like the entire Aizen arc pulled. Doesn't make them good, though. The base structure is irrelevant to the story being told.
 
Bakuman 168:

The two public speeches just made Saiko and Miho's dream even worse, IMO. Their dream of getting married after getting an anime/etc was already difficult to take seriously, but now because everyone knows about their dream and all the details they've basically added a "the whole world is against us being together" angle. It was better when Saiko and Miho were fighting for their dream in secret/only a few people knowing about it. But this is Bakuman we're talking about so I can't be "that disappointed".


Considering we're approaching "final arc territory" I'm not that surprised this happened, it's one of those changes in flow that can't be reversed.

I'm open to them handling this well, though I'll have to see what they do with it.
If it turns into a "love conquers all"-sort of situation it'd be kinda lame. So my
opinion of this arc can change largely depending on what happens next.
 
I'm serious, is he? Cause the wraps around his titties, the girlish looks, and long hair kind of tip me off. As far as I know, the manga seems to imply otherwise, but I could see him hiding his gender so he doesn't scare off his genie.


That isn't DBZ formula (or, to be precise, DBZ didn't create that formula) but I highly doubt you would really expect any of the random twists in Bleach like the entire Aizen arc pulled. Doesn't make them good, though. The base structure is irrelevant to the story being told.

There are variables within any formula.
 
Gantz 358

I really enjoyed the lack of dialogue in this one. It was like an actions speak louder than words chapter. Oku Hiroya has got great cinematic flair when it comes to larger than life war scenes. Can't wait for the next chapter!
 
I can't believe this start all over FT .
The thing is most people point out that what happen in this chapter was stupid .
It's not like it's just 1 person trolling FT this chapter or anything like that .
FT is okay in my book but i just getting tired of them getting troll just so they can get a comeback in the end .
Look at you, a One Piece fanboy that thinks every other shounen manga is worse. Shame on you.

Bakuman

People sure do say the most embarrassing things over the radio.
 
This is true but everything has a formula to it, much like how everything has cliches. There's nothing truly original when it comes to storytelling, and it's been that way for 200+ years.

To chime in on this argument. One can argue that there's a few quantifiers that make cliches and base formula less/more original and higher/lower quality.


When you look at the big shonen, HxH & FT I'd say that how predictable what will happen is differs greatly between all series, but at the same time what you can
predict and why is fundamentally different.


In One Piece we have a basic idea of quite a few islands/places and people the straw hats
will meet. But this mostly has to do with foreshadowing & world building.

Whitebeard's death is a good example of something most people should've seen coming
when the marineford war was announced. This isn't just because it's a cliche for his type of
character to die in a situation like that. But because Whitebeard's entire presence tells us.
"this is a man at the end of his life, if the war wouldn't kill him, his own health will."

Is it relevant to the plot: yes, is it expected: yes, is it bad for it to be expected: no

In contrast you can put a few other points, the recent FT chapter is a great counter example.

Would people have been able to predict that exactly this would happen? Probably not, the spell just vanishing was fairly out of the blue. At the same time you can tell from
people's reactions that they know exactly why this happened.

It's so fairy tail becomes the underdog & will make a huge comeback in the end.

People can't predict this because it's a logical consequence of the situation (like WB's health), but because it's the cliche we expect.


Personally I tend to love HxH because out of all the big shonen it's the one that manages to play with expectations most. It's hard to say what arc we'll have next, but they never feel completely out of place. At the same time it's also hard to say the shape, underlying message and ending to an arc either. This isn't because the endings don't make sense within the context of the story, but a lot of them don't follow a typical shonen formula or cliche.


Now you remarked on Condom Aizen not being predictable, which is fair. However it's also irrelevant.

The flavor isn't exactly what's most important when it comes to a series' predictability. The final villain having a transformation of sorts is in no way surprising in a DBZ-esque series, that this final form vaguely represents a condom just means the design is stupid, not that the transformation itself is somehow less of an expected trope.
 
Hhhmm people seem to be saying good things about Magi might have to check it out .
Question how old is the main char , i notice now that i can't seem to read\watch stuff unless MC is teenager and even then i getting of stuff.
Guess that happens when you get older and older :(
 
Magi

The slave girl is a redhead? Mindblown

Man this entire manga feels like a video game/fantasy world you'd see in a video game. There's little references everywhere to typical video game tropes, and also the dark tribe kind of reminds me of the Sheikah from Zelda (who also descend from a "Dark Tribe"). My avatar is vindicated I suppose.
 
Hhhmm people seem to be saying good things about Magi might have to check it out .
Question how old is the main char , i notice now that i can't seem to read\watch stuff unless MC is teenager and even then i getting of stuff.
Guess that happens when you get older and older :(

The real main character (Aladdin) is a little boy but I'd say the focus of the story is as much on Alibaba (teenager) as on Aladdin.
 
Damn.

I thought you hated Happy. Why are you still reading it?

I invested money in it with the earlier volumes so might as well finish it, and while I do hate most of the characters, I have a certain interest in seeing how it ends. There's also the thing it has become a little more bearable for me to read it, even with all these assholes calling our protagonist a slut that uses sex to advance just because.
 
Magi

The slave girl is a redhead? Mindblown

Man this entire manga feels like a video game/fantasy world you'd see in a video game. There's little references everywhere to typical video game tropes, and also the dark tribe kind of reminds me of the Sheikah from Zelda (who also descend from a "Dark Tribe"). My avatar is vindicated I suppose.

Yeah I love the video game callback to DQ from the first dungeon.
 
Magi

Lol Morgianna joining the cute caravan girls? What a coincidence! Now it's time for Aladdin to gather his harem for his kingdom
 
TLRD (ch16.5)

-I miss Lala a bit.

You can't spell To Love-Ru Darkness without NAKED. Almost half the pages though didn't have patsu or boobs. D-

ch in 3(boobs, aggressive, gadget)
 
Bakuman 168:

Considering we're approaching "final arc territory" I'm not that surprised this happened, it's one of those changes in flow that can't be reversed.

I'm open to them handling this well, though I'll have to see what they do with it.
If it turns into a "love conquers all"-sort of situation it'd be kinda lame. So my
opinion of this arc can change largely depending on what happens next.

But that's exactly what's happened in this situation. At least last chapter when one of the anime staff members stated Miho would have to compete with everyone else for the heroine role, the story was at least "pretending" skill would have to come into play. But now with everyone knowing their dream, even Saiko and Shujin beating out Eiji won't necessarily be because they wrote a superior manga vs everyone wanting them to achieve their dream and get married.
 
Bakuman 168:



But that's exactly what's happened in this situation. At least last chapter when one of the anime staff members stated Miho would have to compete with everyone else for the heroine role, the story was at least "pretending" skill would have to come into play. But now with everyone knowing their dream, even Saiko and Shujin beating out Eiji won't necessarily be because they wrote a superior manga vs everyone wanting them to achieve their dream and get married.

Except for the fact that they've constantly said that Miho is one of the best VAs out there
 
Kana est un bon éditeur, ils ont pas mal de truc de niche dans leur catalogue.

But 7,50€...man that's expensive.

I'm paying a bit more than that for manga in Canada so individual manga prices isn't a big issue. I'm more worried about shipping costs or import fees.

Kana is pretty good, I was surprised at their large collection of niche manga like Undercurrent for example.
 
This Fairy Tail tournament is going to piss me off the same way the Yu Yu Hakusho tournament did didn't? Blatant disregard for the rules when they go against the main characters, seriously this is fucking bullshit and it pisses me off no end when they pull this cheap crap.

Huge magic tournament with the greatest wizards alive participating and they let shit like this slide? Makes no fucking sense.

Seriously, I think your arguing skills are the equivalent of Tite's writing skills.

What's asinine about my remarks? They made this tournament out to be huge and they most certainly did say that some of the top guilds come to compete with very powerful wizards whether they are the strongest alive or not is not really the point, the point is that despite having many major guilds and very powerful wizards present, they don't seem able to enforce or monitor rules, even when they are so obviously broken.

I came to that conclusion precisely by analysing what I read in the manga, and I don't see how anyone could not reach that conclusion very easily if they know how to look at anything with an intelligent eye. Sadly I don't think you have an intelligent eye.

Can you dispute that or are you going to go off on a tangent to try and prove me wrong about something I am clearly right about?

Also I love your last line there! You're such an incredible hypocrite it's really unfathomable.

What is derp? And how is calling them some of the strongest wizards derp? Do you dispute that? What they've shown us certainly indicates they have the strongest guilds therefore it makes sense that they have the strongest wizards. Whether they are the strongest in the country or the world, again it DOES NOT MATTER. It is BESIDE THE POINT. The point was that they really should be paying attention to this shit and either they aren't, or like the cliche are ignoring it for the sake of the main characters to lose for no real reason. Even if they aren't the strongest, do you really think it's ok for them to blatantly disregard basic rules for the sake of the main characters losing? BULLSHIT.

And yeah Yajima, one of the judges noticed and did nothing about outside interference, so normal! I can only hope next chapter something comes from it but the way this chapter ended it doesn't seem likely.

How have I moved goalposts? Seriously you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm going to ignore your OP comment since you're clearly a massive moron.
Oh come on I clearly won!
Moving goal post all the time did not win you anything. Next time you should make less hyperbolic statement. It makes look less stupid. Besides Yajima is a commentator not a judge.
Considering quite a few people got upset about this Fairy Tail chapter, including people who actually liked this arc (I know, cause I myself did) I find it really odd that you choose to go for the age old "oh you One Piece fans just put other manga down cause you're such rabid fans" argument.


I try not to meddle too much with these petty flamebait debates you guys have, but I do tend to read most of them. It genuinly annoys me how somehow liking One Piece & being very critical of other manga somehow means a person is just a rabid OP fan putting other stuff down because they want to make OP look good, or whatever it is you're implying.


I'm pretty sure I'm not talking just for myself when I say I don't want to dislike Fairy Tail. Heck I actually really enjoyed the last few chapters to a degree I haven't liked FT before.

But the same complaints BO and a few other people are voicing are exactly the sort of stuff that makes FT's position on my favourites list extremely questionable, because it completely overrides my suspension of disbelief.

This in no way relates to FT's relative position to OP. I didn't decide to bash every single flaw OP had when I realised I like HxH much better. Because I feel both series manage to stand on their own merrits.

I notice that in your argument there's a lot of cheap shots about BO liking One Piece & his complaint not being literally correct because the Mage Council isn't there.

But that's hardly the point of the complaint at all. The issue in the latest FT chapter is that we're supposed to believe that in the biggest magic tournament that has been featured for years and years, it's this easy to cheat, badly and blatantly too.


Now we might not literally know how powerful the mages organizing this tournament are, however, if you think about how the tournament started & how insane the magic behind the events thus far has been and compare this level of magic to what we've seen in the series so far ... it's intense.

You can't possibly argue that the organizers behind this tournament, capable of creating entire towns out of thin air & making hundreds of near-perfect clones that manage to amaze other powerful mages aren't capable of detecting extremely obvious cheating by a guild that isn't even that powerful.


Obviously this is what we're supposed to believe, considering that's what happened in this chapter. But it makes absolutely no sense in light of the powers shown.


I won't even start about the implications of them not taking any preventative measures against cheating. It's pretty clear raven claw isn't even the strongest group in this tournament, their entire reason for being here is to give Fairy Tail an unfair disability because they keep getting trolled. So if a fairly average guild like Raven Claw is capable of breaking the rules without consequence.

What sort of implications would this have regarding the tournament as a whole? Could a character like Rufus just use his memory magic to help his allies win each match without anyone noticing or caring? If this last chapter is anything to go by, yes he could.


And this is where it really starts becoming a bigger issue, because everyone knows Rufus won't cheat his way to the top like that. The only reason this sort of cheating is happening at all is because it's meant to give Fairy Tail an undeserved underdog position.

That's the part that makes this so annoying, rather than making Fairy Tail the underdog through a sneaky yet clever means, the cheapest trick in the book is used. But under these sort of circumstances that shouldn't be possible. That really feels like lazy writing to me.

Sure there's a billion ways to rationalize how it could logically happen, but the moment a reader starts to question it that alone is enough of a problem.

I agree with most of what you said. I just dislike hyperbolic statements. I did not have problem with people criticizing the almost no one noticing part. I did too. Saying the greatest wizards alive is a dumb thing to say since the tournament is only for Fiore.

Fairy tail is not even in my top 10 manga. It´s way too corny for that, but i still like it for what it is.
If I was arguing with Beam the argument would've been over by now with a trophy handed to me for winning the argument.

Which argument was that? The one where you said Rokungai is not part of Soul Society? Or the one where you said Naruto is the worst thing in literature? Or the one where you say factually this and that?
Come on now.
 
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