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effzee said:
Avengers is when? May? That might be too late for trailer #2.

I guess sometime late March (Hunger Games) or whatever big studio early summer movie comes out in April.

I'd love it for it to be Hunger Games. I just finished the books and can't wait for that movie so it would be the perfect icing on the cake.
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Hunger Games isn't WB though.

The most likely candidates are either Wrath of the Titans or Dark Shadows, and there was a lot of buzz about a month ago that it'd be the latter.
 
Scullibundo said:
A film shouldn't be judged on what it tries to do. It should be judged on what it does.
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As someone who clearly loves filmmaking and is part of the industry, I am shocked you think like this. A film willing to take risks is giving you a new experience (even if the execution is not quite up to the mark) should be commended than the drivel play-it-safe oscar bait which usually ends up taking all the awards.

I think most people (who think rationally, at least) know that Nolan isn't up there with the likes of Kurosawa, Kubrick, Scorsese and Spielberg - who obviously have a whole lot of movies under their belt that have been acknowledged as masterpieces over the years. However, he could be, given that his approach to filmmaking is start with a high concept and execute to the best of his abilities. I don't think the directors I mentioned set out to make a "masterpiece" - it just happened that they were so dedicated to their craft that their films turned out excellent.

It is subjective whether someone thinks a film like Inception is truly a masterpiece or not as it is still relatively new. Having said that though, it is the kind of "head-turning, discussion arousing" film (as witnessed by this thread) which one associates with some of the best films of all time made by the directors mentioned previously.
 
Solo said:
I'll side with Sculli on that one. Both movies have issues (mostly writing-related in both cases) but Tintin is a lot more fun and exciting.
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I almost fell asleep during the "climax".

Inception at least was interesting, and engaging. Even though the action prevented it from being exciting.
 
Just want to point out that whatever you say about Avatar's story and characters, its action scenes were miles better than anything Nolan has ever filmed.

There isn't a western director alive who can touch Cameron on action.


Also, Inception was incredible. SMH at the haters.
 
dmshaposv said:
As someone who clearly loves filmmaking and is part of the industry, I am shocked you think like this. A film willing to take risks is giving you a new experience (even if the execution is not quite up to the mark) should be commended than the drivel play-it-safe oscar bait which usually ends up taking all the awards.

I think most people (who think rationally, at least) know that Nolan isn't up there with the likes of Kurosawa, Kubrick, Scorsese and Spielberg - who obviously have a whole lot of movies under their belt that have been acknowledged as masterpieces over the years. However, he could be, given that his approach to filmmaking is start with a high concept and execute to the best of his abilities. I don't think the directors I mentioned set out to make a "masterpiece" - it just happened that they were so dedicated to their craft that their films turned out excellent.

It is subjective whether someone thinks a film like Inception is truly a masterpiece or not as it is still relatively new. Having said that though, it is the kind of "head-turning, discussion arousing" film (as witnessed by this thread) which one associates with some of the best films of all time made by the directors mentioned previously.
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I think you misunderstand me. I respect the hell out of ambitious projects. But when I say that a movie should be judged with respect to another film being compared to it, the only thing that can be measured is the quality of the final product.

I'm not talking about the respect I have for the project, I'm talking about the project itself.

I think a film should be RESPECTED for what it tries to do, but the film's quality itself cannot be judged based on that ambition or The Tree of Life would immediately be one of the greatest films ever made and Malick's unquestioned masterpiece. Instead it is a flawed masterpiece whose ambition I have tremendous respect for, yet doesn't quite reach the heights it set out for itself. It is still a once in a decade type film, but it is by no means the all encompassing masterstroke it tries to be.
 
I can't believe people think Spielberg 2000 onwards is anywhere near resembling great. Munich is superb, War Of The Worlds and Minority Report are pretty good. But nothing else rises above that.
 
Wow at this thread.

Time for a healthy dose of real talk, brothers.

We can stop pretending to believe Spielberg is as good as he used to be, or that he is as relevant or influential now as he was back in his prime.

The Prestige is also a better film than any of Spielberg's recent films. Yes, that includes Munich.
 
Puddles said:
Just want to point out that whatever you say about Avatar's story and characters, its action scenes were miles better than anything Nolan has ever filmed.

There isn't a western director alive who can touch Cameron on action.
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I disagree Cameron is pretty good at action but definitely not the best maybe top 5 if that but Nolan isn't even top 5 I would say.
 
I'm not going to pretend Spielberg hasn't made some great stuff (and I haven't seen Tintin), but he's made nothing comparable to his old films for years.

Looking at his filmography, he's made 7 films I would class as brilliant. It's very good to have made so many films that I deem that good, but I thought the days were over when he was supposed to be the best director in the world.
 
I want to respect the older directors and what they've done but right now in these past few years Nolan has been smoking everybody. Inception is brilliant and you people can nitpick about pointless little problems but Nolan showed he had the kind of vision that no one can come close to replicating right now. War of the Worlds is underrated by the way, with Munich I can't quite remember how I felt about it.
 
Strafer said:
Michael Bay.
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I've gone off Inception a bit, the middle hour sags and Di Caprio is a bit forced, but it's still good entertainment. I wish they'd really ran riot with the dream thing though, no one has dreams about rain and banks and hotels, they have dreams about dragons and flying and Ryan Gosling.

Memento is brilliant, so is the Prestige, so is The Dark Knight. Batman Begins, Inception and Insomnia are good.
 
Wilbury said:
I'm not going to pretend Spielberg hasn't made some great stuff (and I haven't seen Tintin), but he's made nothing comparable to his old films for years.

Looking at his filmography, he's made 7 films I would class as brilliant. It's very good to have made so many films that I deem that good, but I thought the days were over when he was supposed to be the best director in the world.
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People say this every decade.

He's still as consistent as ever.

Throughout the 80s, 90s and 00s he's had his gems, his very good films and his few clunkers.

80s: E.T, Raiders, Empire of the Sun > Last Crusade, Color Purple > 1941, Always, Temple of Doom

90s: Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan, Jurassic Park > Amistad, Hook > The Lost World

2000's: Munich, Minority Report, A.I, Catch Me If You Can > Tintin, War of the Worlds > The Terminal, War Horse
 
effzee said:
I hate to get drawn into another Inception debate but I will profess my love for it. For the life of me I can't agree or see how people find the first hour boring or the exposition unnecessary. To me a lot of the arguments brought against it never manifested while I watched it twice in the movie theater (both before and after reading all the complaints I find commonly on GAF) and then when I watched it again at home.

I think Inception is brilliant and even better than both BB and TDK. I have a special place in my heart for BB/TDK simply cause I love Batman but in terms of overall movies I think Inception and Prestige are his best works. I don't think I ever had a more enjoyable time at the movies since the very first movie I watched as a kid (Jurassic Park).
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I liked the first hour the first time. Then you realize that the movie spends most of the time trying to explain itself. Up until the very end with Ellen's explanation for how they'll get out of limbo.

Needlessly complex.

Prestige. Thats a great film. Lots of twists, turns and secrets but it was ALWAYS about the characters through and through. Inception never had that luxury. The characters were just a mouth piece for the 2 hour dream sharing tutorial that Nolan was so intent on making.
 
Scullibundo said:
People say this every decade.

He's still as consistent as ever.

Throughout the 80s, 90s and 00s he's had his gems, his very good films, his average films and his few clunkers.

80s: Temple of Doom, Raiders > Last Crusade > E.T, Empire of the Sun > 1941, Always, Color Purple

90s: Schindler's List, Jurassic Park > Saving Private Ryan > Amistad > , Hook, The Lost World

2000's: Munich > Minority Report, Catch Me If You Can,War of the Worlds > Ummmmmm > The Terminal, War Horse, A.I
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Fixed to reflect my opinions. I think he's good and he's made some fantastic films but he's just not the best director on the planet. neither is Nolan to be fair.
 
I really liked War of the Worlds.

It is the only film I know of that perfectly captures a specific kind of dread: the kind where there's something dangerous out there, but you don't know where it is. You keep running and trying to get farther away from it, and you find a place that might be safe for awhile, but it always catches up.

It's the kind of dread you sometimes get in a really bad dream. It's incredibly hard to capture in fiction. I've tried to evoke the same feeling myself in stories, but I've always come up just short.

.GqueB. said:
I liked the first hour the first time. Then you realize that the movie spends most of the time trying to explain itself. Up until the very end with Ellen's explanation for how they'll get out of limbo.

Needlessly complex.

Prestige. Thats a great film. Lots of twists, turns and secrets but it was ALWAYS about the characters through and through. Inception never had that luxury. The characters were just a mouth piece for the 2 hour dream sharing tutorial that Nolan was so intent on making.
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I never got this. To me, the whole thing is about Leo and his feelings for his wife. I felt really connected to his character and his struggles.
 
Puddles said:
I really liked War of the Worlds.

It is the only film I know of that perfectly captures a specific kind of dread: the kind where there's something dangerous out there, but you don't know where it is. You keep running and trying to get farther away from it, and you find a place that might be safe for awhile, but it always catches up.

It's the kind of dread you sometimes get in a really bad dream. It's incredibly hard to capture in fiction. I've tried to evoke the same feeling myself in stories, but I've always come up just short.



I never got this. To me, the whole thing is about Leo and his feelings for his wife. I felt really connected to his character and his struggles.
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War of the Worlds is GREAT. Up until the last five minutes, it is honestly one of my favourite Sci-Fi horrors. Agreed that there is a very tangible feeling of dread running throughout the film. Especially the first time you see it.

It is the film that makes me excited for Robopocalypse. Though from what I have read about the book, I don't like the specific direction. WotW made me believe Spielberg could direct a future machine war.
 
Puddles said:
I never got this. To me, the whole thing is about Leo and his feelings for his wife. I felt really connected to his character and his struggles.
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I know what it was "about" but I felt all the technical crap got in the way. And look at what you even said. In this cast of 5 or 6 strong characters and actors, only two actually got any real development. The rest were just there to explain all the crap going on. Such a waste. Especially with so much great talent.

Even Ellen Page was a waste. You have this great story about a girl coming into this situation cold. Not knowing whats happening, curious about how far she could go. But she gets designated as "the audience" so to speak. Just there so everyone can explain every little technical detail to her so the viewers will know what's going on.

"This is what this is, this is what that is. And here's what this is. Now let me explain this to you."

It was such an annoying movie to watch and it didn't have to be. The dream sharing aspect could've been simplified so much.
 
I think it keeps it up just fine. Everybody always complains about when Cruise and Fanning enter Tim Robbins' hideout, but I love that. Ferrier seeing the aliens farming humans for blood and it decorating the countryside is haunting as fuck. Then the scene where you see Cruise walk into the room with Robbins and shut the door behind him, knowing he's going to have to kill him. Great stuff.
 
Scullibundo said:
I think it keeps it up just fine. Everybody always complains about when Cruise and Fanning enter Tim Robbins' hideout, but I love that. Ferrier seeing the aliens farming humans for blood and it decorating the countryside is haunting as fuck. Then the scene where you see Cruise walk into the room with Robbins and shut the door behind him, knowing he's going to have to kill him. Great stuff.
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It's good throughout but I think it's hindered by something, I don't know why. I feel like The Road did terror and apocalyptic stuff much better, I didn't feel palpable danger throughout. The bolded bit is great though, Cruise is fantastic in that scene.
 
Scullibundo said:
It is the film that makes me excited for Robopocalypse. Though from what I have read about the book, I don't like the specific direction. WotW made me believe Spielberg could direct a future machine war.
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I wish Cameron would just do the war against the machines. Give me the first few minutes of Terminator 2 and those flashback scenes from T1, but as an entire movie. They could even keep Christian Bale. Just get rid of everyone else from T4.
 
Wilbury said:
It's good throughout but I think it's hindered by something, I don't know why. I feel like The Road did terror and apocalyptic stuff much better, I didn't feel palpable danger throughout. The bolded bit is great though, Cruise is fantastic in that scene.
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The difference is Spielberg was able to conjure that dread in a PG13 film. R rated Spielberg is an unrelenting motherfucker. I can't wait for his return.
 
Puddles said:
I wish Cameron would just do the war against the machines. Give me the first few minutes of Terminator 2 and those flashback scenes from T1, but as an entire movie. They could even keep Christian Bale. Just get rid of everyone else from T4.
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Michael Biehn, baby. Use that Avatar tech to de-age him. We've had Sarah's story. John's story. Complete the family arc with the best character in the series.
 
Michael Biehn stars in a James Cameron Bayformers film written by Christopher Nolan with Spileberg working second unit directing.


Because FUCK IT.
 
Since you guys seem to be big movie people, I was wondering which up and coming director should make the next series of Batman films?
 
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