2012 NBA Mar |OT| Knicks fans now drinking JD in straight shots

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Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotee @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix

For Rodeo.

I wanted to pick utah tonight, but with no guarantee of Millsap playing I can't do it. I figured tonight Miami fucks up guaranteeing their beat down of Lakers on Sunday.

Hopefully, Lakers don't forget about Kings tonight. Trap game alert.
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotee @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotee @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix

Not that many good games tonight.
 
I was going to ask why the Hawks would do that trade but then I remember they were the team that gave Joe Johnson One Hundred and Twenty Million US Dollars.

so yeah....
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotte @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 
I can't see teams wiling to give up 1st round picks for the Celtics trio (maybe Ray) to rent them for the rest of the season. Danny's big problem is that he probably won't get much back in return.
 
Not sure if anybody has been keeping up with SSAC, its fascinating stuff, one intriguing thing was that The Wizard said that NBA GMs keep their jobs for too long and should be fired more often. That there is a huge discrepancy between the "hot seat" from the fans and the media and less so with ownership because of personal relationships, and that coaches will always take the sword whenever things go wrong even when they aren't responsible for the parts assembled.

Is Morey trying to get himself fired?
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotte @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 
Ninja Scooter said:
I can't see teams wiling to give up 1st round picks for the Celtics trio (maybe Ray) to rent them for the rest of the season. Danny's big problem is that he probably won't get much back in return.
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It's like Rent-A-Center. You don't have to pay, you are just going to get threatening visits from Saints linemen.
 
reilo said:
Do you have problems with reading comprehension? I clearly pointed out that the trends Lebron sets in the regular season are opposite of the trends he sets in the playoffs.

Also, neither of those guys won MVPs during those times nor were they considered one of the best players of all time (a label Lebron has laid upon him for many years now).

But hey, keep on trucking.
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So you're going to just go by the narrative and ignore that I just refuted your argument? You're going to say that it doesn't count because of media coverage of LeBron? And oh by the way, that is one bit of narrative that I don't disagree with. LeBron is an amazing player.

At this point, I think its just hating. You posted your data, I posted shit that said that Kobe and Dirk, two guys who "know how to win" or whatever, had just as many, if not more shitty games at this point in their career than LeBron.

By the way, at this point in Jordan's career, at age 27, he had yet to win a championship. And by the way, he won his first one at age 27. LeBron has already been to the finals twice.
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
So you're going to just go by the narrative and ignore that I just refuted your argument? You're going to say that it doesn't count because of media coverage of LeBron? And oh by the way, that is one bit of narrative that I don't disagree with. LeBron is an amazing player.

At this point, I think its just hating. You posted your data, I posted shit that said that Kobe and Dirk, two guys who "know how to win" or whatever, had just as many, if not more shitty games at this point in their career than LeBron.

By the way, at this point in Jordan's career, at age 27, he had yet to win a championship. And by the way, he won his first one at age 27. LeBron has already been to the finals twice.
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You're obviously not getting it.

But okay.

Fyi, Jordan was working on his first three-peat by the time he was in his 9th season in the league. Unless you want to argue that Jordan should have left after his senior year in HS, too?
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotte @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 
reilo said:
You're obviously not getting it.

But okay.

Fyi, Jordan was working on his first three-peat by the time he was in his 9th season in the league. Unless you want to argue that Jordan should have left after his senior year in HS, too?
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You should go by age when judging players IMO, because players all hit their physical prime at around the same time.

Also, please explain to my how I'm not getting it.
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotee @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 
2012 draft stuff: Chad Ford wrote today that Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Cody Zeller might stay in college for another year, but the other big prospects (Drummond, Barnes, Sullinger, Davis clearly, Robinson, Lamb, Beal, Leonard) are likely to declare.
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotee @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
You should go by age when judging players IMO, because players all hit their physical prime at around the same time.
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Jordan, Malone, Bird and Kareem would state to the contrary. They were all hyper-productive even beyond age 27.

Lebron will have played damn near 30,000 minutes in the league after this season. Kobe, who's been playing seven more seasons, is at 41,000 minutes played.

Also, please explain to my how I'm not getting it.
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Because the trends Lebron set in the regular season are completely antithetical to his trends in the playoffs. You're still arguing on the hypothetical that Lebron's coin-flips will stop landing tails and hit heads sometime in the near future. You need to stop ignoring the human element in all of this.

EDIT: I just noticed you are wrong about Jordan at age 27. He had already won a ring by that time, too. In fact, he didn't turn 28 until February 17 '92, which means he was on his way to a repeat.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
2012 draft stuff: Chad Ford wrote today that Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Cody Zeller might stay in college for another year, but the other big prospects (Drummond, Barnes, Sullinger, Davis clearly, Robinson, Lamb, Beal, Leonard) are likely to declare.
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I like Leonard more than Drummond. Both are top 5 talents though in almost any draft.
 
"I said ‘Michael, I think you should take Brandon Roy, and he said ‘We like Adam Morrison,’" Barkley said. "I said ‘Adam Morrison can’t play.’ I said ‘let me ask you a question, did you say Adam Morrison first and (the Bobcats front office staff) agreed with you or did they say Adam Morrison first?’ He said ‘What do you mean?’ I said ‘Michael, nobody wants to disagree with you. You are such a powerful personality nobody, especially your flunkies as I call them, the flunkies are never going to disagree with you.’ Adam Morrison is a nice kid. He can’t play in the NBA."
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http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/charles-barkley-michael-jordan-bad-owner/120564
 
reilo said:
Jordan, Malone, Bird and Kareem would state to the contrary. They were all hyper-productive even beyond age 27.

Lebron will have played damn near 30,000 minutes in the league after this season. Kobe, who's been playing seven more seasons, is at 41,000 minutes played.



Because the trends Lebron set in the regular season are completely antithetical to his trends in the playoffs. You're still arguing on the hypothetical that Lebron's coin-flips will stop landing tails and hit heads sometime in the near future. You need to stop ignoring the human element in all of this.

EDIT: I just noticed you are wrong about Jordan at age 27. He had already won a ring by that time, too. In fact, he didn't turn 28 until February 17 '92, which means he was on his way to a repeat.
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Jordan part, didn't check so you might be right.

On the coin flips. Yes they will even out. I don't even see how this is debatable considering, well, they've already evened out! His playoff stats vs his regular season stats are basically the same. Same for Jordan when I checked. You were cherry picking games that showed he played below average. But you know what, that's what an average is. If you usually score 25 and get 10, that doesn't mean you'll get 20 and 10 a game. It means that you're probably getting an equal amount of 30 and 15 and 20 and 5 games. So to say that he has performed below his regular season stats is wrong. He hasn't. Yeah, you can cherry pick his games that bring his average down, but you could do that for any player.

What I'm saying is that its probable that he will end up having some great finals series.

On Jordan, Malone, Bird...Well, yeah. They were in their prime. That's exactly what I'm saying. And Kobe, while he has regressed a bit this year, is still producing at a pretty high level. I don't see how that's an argument against using age.

tl;dr Adam Morrison is the GOAT

Edit: Also, are you faulting LeBron for taking that Cavs team to the finals and then having a bad series? Becuase taking that team there in the first place, more or less on his own, was incredible.
 
I already showed you when he had his bad games. You are dismissing the when of it and saying, "WELL WHAT ABOUT THE GREAT SERIES HE HAD AGAINST THE WIZARDS??" Nobody gives a fuck. We judge great players at how they perform against other elite competition. Lebron has clearly failed in that regard every, damn, time. And spectacularly so.
 
reilo said:
http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/charles-barkley-michael-jordan-bad-owner/120564
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Bargnani, Aldridge, Ammo, and Tyrus were going to be the top 4 no matter who was picking imo. Roy wasn't going ahead of those guys with how destroyed his knees already were and he was a guy who needed a jumper to succeed because of his lack of athleticism and had only shot well once in college. Plus, he was a senior who had never averaged 13 or more PPG before he was three or four years older than his opponents. Roy obviously turned out to be an all-pro, but it's really easy to understand why he fell to 6th.
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlotte @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Bargnani, Aldridge, Ammo, and Tyrus were the top 4. Roy wasn't going ahead of those guys with his destroyed his knees already were and he was a guy who needed a jumper to succeed because of his lack of athleticism and had only shot well once in college. Plus, he was a senior who had never averaged 13 or more PPG before he was three or four years older than his opponents. Roy obviously turned out to be an all-pro, but it's really easy to understand why he fell to 6th.
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To say Roy lacked athleticism is lulz.
 
reilo said:
I already showed you when he had his bad games. You are dismissing the when of it and saying, "WELL WHAT ABOUT THE GREAT SERIES HE HAD AGAINST THE WIZARDS??" Nobody gives a fuck. We judge great players at how they perform against other elite competition. Lebron has clearly failed in that regard every, damn, time. And spectacularly so.
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Great players have shit series. This is a fact.

I can't wait until this guy wins a championship or two and shuts the "WILL TO WIN" made up crap people up.
 
DY_nasty said:
He had fucked knees.

Twice over too - he was red-flagged back in high school for it.
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He had doomed knees, but he didn't have bad athleticism.

CoffeeJanitor said:
Great players have shit series. This is a fact.

I can't wait until this guy wins a championship or two and shuts the "WILL TO WIN" made up crap people up.
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Keep waiting. I stopped waiting years ago.

Btw, a bad game for Jordan in the Finals was scoring 20 points. A good game for Lebron in the Finals is scoring 20 points.
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
Great players have shit series. This is a fact.

I can't wait until this guy wins a championship or two and shuts the "WILL TO WIN" made up crap people up.
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Still not enough. He'd have to win a handful and probably one or two as the 1st option alpha player.


Its pretty much impossible for him to stop shit talking at this point.
 
DY_nasty said:
He's no Rudy Gay.

Athleticism during draft time means jump out of the gym-bility.
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Brandon's problem wasn't getting up high in the air (he could do that, 40" measured vert and all), it was what happened when he landed.
 
reilo said:
Brandon's problem wasn't getting up high in the air (he could do that, 40" measured vert and all), it was what happened when he landed.
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Vert and explosion are two different things... I know that's your boy, and he is athletic, but he's not draft day top 5 pick athletic. Never was.
 
Memphis @ Toronto
New Jersey @ Boston
Milwaukee @ Atlanta
Chicago @ Cleveland
Dallas @ New Orleans
Denver @ Houston
Golden State @ Philly
Charlote @ San Antonio
Miami @ Utah
Sacramento @ LA Lakers
LA Clippers @ Phoenix
 
MorisUkunRasik said:
Still not enough. He'd have to win a handful and probably one or two as the 1st option alpha player.


Its pretty much impossible for him to stop shit talking at this point.
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Well I guess I don't care what irrational thinkers have to say then. Same way I feel about people who don't think scientifically, and think with their emotions. I disregard that shit.

reilo said:
Btw, a bad game for Jordan in the Finals was scoring 20 points. A good game for Lebron in the Finals is scoring 20 points.
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Yeah, his finals have been pretty bad thus far, we've been over this

I feel like I'm polluting the thread so we can stop talking about this till playoff time
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
Well I guess I don't care what irrational thinkers have to say then. Same way I feel about people who don't think scientifically, and think with their emotions. I disregard that shit.
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Disregarding the human factor in sports is just as irrational.
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
Well I guess I don't care what irrational thinkers have to say then. Same way I feel about people who don't think scientifically, and think with their emotions. I disregard that shit.

Yeah, his finals have been pretty bad thus far, we've been over this
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The National Basketball Association is not a series of simulations, c'mon now. As Dy said, you're the completely irrational one to think that the human factor has zero basis in sports.
 
I think it will be hard for Lebron to ever live up to his expectations. He came in at 18 with the notion of being a top 20 player.

But he hasn't won anything, yet. And his game hasn't really changed for long-term sustainability when he gets past 30. And he's been top 2 in his conference record wise what, 4 times already? Going on 5 and a few more after.

If he doesn't retire with at least 3 titles as the clear cut best player, he will fall short of expectations coming in and his first few years in the league. Hard not to see around that.


The fact that he left to team up with wade and bosh already taints everything he does.
 
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