Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator
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So I was watching TV and they showed a survey of normal human beings as to the top 10 characters in anime for people in their 20's to 40's.
The list (in no particular order):
1. Luffy (One Piece)
2. Sakuragi Hanamichi (Slam Dunk)
3. Son Goku (Dragonball)
4. Kenshirou (Fist of the North Star)
5. Tiger Mask (Tiger Mask)
6. Saebara Ryou (City Hunter)
7. Anpanman (Anpanman)
8. Amuro Rei (Gundam)
9. Lupin (Lupin the 3rd)
10 (I can't remember)
The list (in no particular order):
1. Luffy (One Piece)
2. Sakuragi Hanamichi (Slam Dunk)
3. Son Goku (Dragonball)
4. Kenshirou (Fist of the North Star)
5. Tiger Mask (Tiger Mask)
6. Saebara Ryou (City Hunter)
7. Anpanman (Anpanman)
8. Amuro Rei (Gundam)
9. Lupin (Lupin the 3rd)
10 (I can't remember)
Looks like my type of show. I only watched the first two episdoes of DtB so should I just continue on?
firehawk12
Subete no aware
The truth is, all anime is bad in some way and to some one. I've long realized that the moment you start tiering anime genres is the moment you go down the douchebag rabbit-hole.
Outer senshi, clearly!
The first season yes, the second season no.
I look forward to lots of yuri and handsex.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
They're cousins, god damnit!
And, to piggyback a bit, after the 1st season, the Gaiden OVAs. All four. Some of the series' best scenes are in them.
Femmeworth
Banned
What about sub-genres? I think we can (mostly) all agree that the harem sub-genre is low tier. Then again, I suppose Sturgeon's Law applies to sub-genres too.
Crash Station
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How is harem a sub-genre? It's established enough to have it's own wiki page.
Anyway, no, there is no such thing as a genre, sub or otherwise, that is all bad.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
You'll get someone who will bring up UY (which I assume is a harem anyway) and even then, there are people who genuinely see merit in something "grungy" like SnO. There's going to be stand-out shows in every genre that allows you to either argue for or against it.
For example:
Strawberry Panic = yuri is shit.
Aoi Hana = yuri is good.
Neko Mimi Mode
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In general, the standard of quality in harems is considerably lower than that of other genres, but it's not all bad. I'm struggling to think of good examples outside of the obvious (Tenchi Muyo OVA, Ai Yori Aoshi, ZnT, Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari etc) but they do exist.
Ai Yori Aoshi is not in any way "good". They took what could have been a nice slice of life romance and turned it into that. It was character stereotype after character stereotype after characterstereotype . I have no idea why Aoi could have stood by self-insert dude after all of that.
Actually looking through your list, they're all pretty bad. Isekai is good? Really?
Actually looking through your list, they're all pretty bad. Isekai is good? Really?
Femmeworth
Banned
The Wikipedia page even calls it a sub-genre.
I never said there was.
Well, yes. That's why I brought up Sturgeon's Law.
Crash Station
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A sub-genre of anime/manga. That would be not acknowledging those 2 as mediums. If you want to go that far, any genre specific to those 2 is a sub-genre.
Neko Mimi Mode
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Well that's like your opinion man.
I never said they were good though, just good "examples" of not bad harem anime. As stated, I was struggling to think of any to justify the point that no genre is inherently bad.
Isekai was fairly well received and has a high score on MAL and other places. I wasn't that impressed by it personally, but that's another issue.
I did like Tenchi Muyo, ZnT and somewhat AYA. If you can think of better examples of harems that aren't trash, then by all means.
Crash Station
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Anyway, good and above harems:
God tier
Sora no Otoshimono
Great tier
Kemekko DX
Good tier
Maburaho
Green Green
MM!
Kore wa Zombie Desu Ka
Inukami
Negima
Maken-ki
God tier
Sora no Otoshimono
Great tier
Kemekko DX
Good tier
Maburaho
Green Green
MM!
Kore wa Zombie Desu Ka
Inukami
Negima
Maken-ki
Femmeworth
Banned
*waves hand dismissively* That was just poor wording.
Run away!
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
Not sure if serious.
Sora no Otoshimono is a worthy suggestion, but everything else...yikes. Maybe harem is the inherently shit genre.
Green Green is an abomination, a verruca on the foot of Japanese animation.
My first thought :lol
Firm but fair.
Crash Station
Member
faridom didn't get banned for that, did he?
Feminist thread (probably): http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=35733861&postcount=192
Crash Station
Member
Green Green is hilarious. It exemplifies everything that is good about absurdist humor with a sharp contrast between the crazies and the straight men.
Also, people saying Kemekko is bad haven't watched it.
Femmeworth
Banned
Most likely not, but it's still hilarious nonetheless.
Fullmetal Alchemist: The Sacred Star of Milos
That was a lot of fun. Art was great, the animation was great, and the choreography/direction for a few of the fights was amazing--The scene atop the trains, heading into table city. I'm not even the biggest fan of FMA--having watched portions of both series, finished neither--but I'd say this could be recommended to anyone. I definitely enjoyed myself with it.
That was a lot of fun. Art was great, the animation was great, and the choreography/direction for a few of the fights was amazing--The scene atop the trains, heading into table city. I'm not even the biggest fan of FMA--having watched portions of both series, finished neither--but I'd say this could be recommended to anyone. I definitely enjoyed myself with it.
hosannainexcelsis
Member
If you're looking for good harem anime, you're mostly going to have to reach back to the classics: Urusei Yatsura, Ranma 1/2 (at least the first season), original Tenchi Muyo OVA. There have been a couple more recent enjoyable shows, such as My Bride is a Mermaid/Seto no Hanayome, but most of them have been mediocre to bad.
Bloody hell if that's supposed to be the cream of the crop, good job highlighting how shit the genre is.
Makes me appreciate Ranma 1/2 more in how it bucks the trend, still got to climb that Yatsura Urusei mountain.
Crash Station
Member
Ah, totally forgot TWGOK. That's great tier.
lazybones18
Banned
Soul Eater 45-51
......okay *shrug* But I will admit that seeing him go mad was pretty cool
But none of that matters anyway
Overall: B+
Gotta find some new stuff to check out
So that's how you defeat a powerful Kishin? A Kishin that's powerful enough to whoop Death's ass?
But none of that matters anyway
cause Crona lived! But Medusa managed to survive YET again (seriously, why can't she just stay dead?!)
Overall: B+
Gotta find some new stuff to check out
the balance is lovely.
It's good but it won't convince those who aren't already harem fans that it is.
Or we could just agree all mindless entertainment is equally bad.
I've always had interest in the genre.
What I mean is, I don't really trust Candy in Smile PreCure! yet, haha.
If only you were an young, optimistic girl with the potential to become a magical girl, then maybe you wouldn't be such a cynic. Now, do I have a proposal for you as any lovingly, trustworthy mascot!
Neko Mimi Mode
Member
Perhaps. What people are discussing though is the quality of harems relative to Japanese animation in general.
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