NFL Off-Season Thread: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"

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Probably a mix of both, doubt he's super spiteful towards Indy, like Favre seemed to be.

The Texans do have legitimate cap issues, as much as everyone jokes it's easy to get around. That could be it as well. They still need to resign Myers and Briesel. Once upon a time I thought they could be in play for Tannehill, but Mayock seemed to think he wouldn't last past Washington. He even thought people would jump ahead of Washington to get Tannehill
 
Also, I am just imagining, Manning in the AFC West with your running game and your D, that division title is guaranteed even if he throws with his left hand!

Another scary idea, Manning throwing to Fitzgerald.

On one hand it is exciting, considering that we can plug a lot of holes by adding Manning and shoring up the defense with the draft. On the other hand it could be a huge bust, and assuming we ship Tebow off we are back to square one.

Ideally I would love to see Tebow understudy Manning, while Manning gives a shot to win it all. I think Tebow could still develop into something special with the right guidance. Even with that said I think he gets moved and Elway selects his guy to study under Manning.
 
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing hoping for different results, Stephen Ross needs to be put in a straight jacket. I refuse to see how getting a quarterback whose glory days are behind him will help the Phins. We need Flynn or we have to pay whatever ransom the Rams want so we can move up and get RG3. But Ross will never learn why the sexy hire is never the good idea.

Please prove me wrong, God.
 
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing hoping for different results, Stephen Ross needs to be put in a straight jacket. I refuse to see how getting a quarterback whose glory days are behind him will help the Phins. We need Flynn or we have to pay whatever ransom the Rams want so we can move up and get RG3. But Ross will never learn why the sexy hire is never the good idea.

Please prove me wrong, God.

In the short term it will help, in the long term it will probably hurt whomever he signs with.
 
If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing hoping for different results, Stephen Ross needs to be put in a straight jacket. I refuse to see how getting a quarterback whose glory days are behind him will help the Phins. We need Flynn or we have to pay whatever ransom the Rams want so we can move up and get RG3. But Ross will never learn why the sexy hire is never the good idea.

Please prove me wrong, God.

But his instincts were right on Harbaugh. It's his execution that is lacking. I don't know your cap situation, but if you have the space, Peyton doesn't cost anything other than time for Ross. You can still draft a QB in Rd 2 and hope he develops. Still use your 1st to get him another weapon

With RG3, you better be right. b/c that will cost a lot for how far they would have to move
 
But his instincts were right on Harbaugh. It's his execution that is lacking. I don't know your cap situation, but if you have the space, Peyton doesn't cost anything other than time for Ross. You can still draft a QB in Rd 2 and hope he develops. Still use your 1st to get him another weapon

With RG3, you better be right. b/c that will cost a lot for how far they would have to move

Dude, that shit was all J.Lo and Serena Williams, don't give credit to Ross.

I wonder if Ross even knew who Harbaugh was, seems like a clueless dude who will follow the heard.
 
But his instincts were right on Harbaugh. It's his execution that is lacking. I don't know your cap situation, but if you have the space, Peyton doesn't cost anything other than time for Ross. You can still draft a QB in Rd 2 and hope he develops. Still use your 1st to get him another weapon

With RG3, you better be right. b/c that will cost a lot for how far they would have to move

I would argue that developing a QB behind/with Manning is a huge incentive. He knows he is nearing the end and I would imagine that this would allow him to be more open to working more closely with a successor. Even if a young qb is around him I'm sure that through osmosis he would learn from Manning. It's part of the angle of why I want him in Denver.
 
Dude, that shit was all J.Lo and Serena Williams, don't give credit to Ross.

I wonder if Ross even knew who Harbaugh was, seems like a clueless dude who will follow the heard.

haha Probably right, though he also really wanted Fisher. Where are Bills fans with the team? Lost faith? Losing faith? Convinced they are moving?

I would argue that developing a QB behind/with Manning is a huge incentive. He knows he is nearing the end and I would imagine that this would allow him to be more open to working more closely with a successor. Even if a young qb is around him I'm sure that through osmosis he would learn from Manning. It's part of the angle of why I want him in Denver.

I'm just not sure what Tebow can learn from Peyton. I love Tebow. Some of the funnest games I've watched in a long time were last year. That pass to beat PITT was awesome. But he's not a long term solution at QB.

The guy Peyton would mentor isn't currently on the roster, and you guys really need to fix your defense, too. It's a weak division, so who knows, but I expect a backslide from you guys. The Bills and Pats ripped you apart on D.
 
haha Probably right. Where are Bills fans with the team? Lost faith? Losing faith? Convinced they are moving?

Superbowl bitch.

Nah, we think the team is staying. They don't have faith though, not yet. Some want Williams, some want Vincent, all I want is a good draft.

I think we had a good one last year, I think the first draft with the new regime was a bit of a failure, simply because they went after scheme players. Really believe Carrington can play, but not in a 4-3, same with Moats. Both of these players will end up somewhere and both can be effective players. Case in point, if that absolute abortion Maybin can nab 6 sacks, Moats can hit 12 in the same scheme.

I'm riding high to be honest, we nail this draft and I'll be happy. All new scouts this year, I like the approach, and I'm patient. Think we'll compete at a better level this year.
 
haha Probably right, though he also really wanted Fisher. Where are Bills fans with the team? Lost faith? Losing faith? Convinced they are moving?



I'm just not sure what Tebow can learn from Peyton. I love Tebow. Some of the funnest games I've watched in a long time were last year. That pass to beat PITT was awesome. But he's not a long term solution at QB.

The guy Peyton would mentor isn't currently on the roster, and you guys really need to fix your defense, too. It's a weak division, so who knows, but I expect a backslide from you guys. The Bills and Pats ripped you apart on D.

More along the lines of reading D's and how to go about being an NFL qb, vague I know. Mechanics wise Manning isn't going to fix him. If they hang on to Tebow, I can see success with him after Manning. But the same could be said if it was any guy that had some talent behind him.

We will patch up the d with the draft. Pass d was terrible and Bills and Pats were the right teams to exploit this. Goodman, combined with rookies at safety results in wins like those from capable passing teams.
 
But his instincts were right on Harbaugh. It's his execution that is lacking. I don't know your cap situation, but if you have the space, Peyton doesn't cost anything other than time for Ross. You can still draft a QB in Rd 2 and hope he develops. Still use your 1st to get him another weapon

With RG3, you better be right. b/c that will cost a lot for how far they would have to move

FYI, Miami hasn't had the best luck when it comes to drafting 2nd round QBs.

It really is simple. Either Miami:

1. Picks up Peyton for a few years.
2. Drafts Tannehill
3. Picks up Flynn

I don't see them getting RG3 anymore. And as far as Moore goes, who was 6-3 last year, his future seems to be precarious, unless Miami decides to keep him and let Peyton be his mentor.
 
Manning going to the Cards would be cool for the fact of him throwing to Fitz would be deadly. Chances are though he is going to the Dolphins.
 
Ummm... watch it happen.

In all seriousness though whoever snags Manning will have all the right pieces for the job.

Don't matter to me if the cards or chickens get manning. Our d will dominate them. Peyton has struggled against the 3-4. Like I said before, niners are his best shot at a chip but it doesn't appear we are interested
 
Apparently we only had 2 more sacks on us than the phins last season. Guess the o-line won't screw us over on this after all! I honestly don't see anyone in this contest besides us and the phins.

Don't matter to me if the cards or chickens get manning. Our d will dominate them. Peyton has struggled against the 3-4. Like I said before, niners are his best shot at a chip but it doesn't appear we are interested
Please, if we can beat you with Skelton, we can certainly beat you with Peyton. Niner D is for real and your special teams are fantastic at giving the other team horrible field position but Manning won't have nearly as difficult a time getting down the field as Skelly. Also, Fitz didn't have a #2 to free him up last season. If we get a respectable second option for this season, you only get easier to beat. I respect your team and we will have battles but the notion that the Niners are impervious is ridiculous. Our defense is no slouch and will be even better this season. With Smith at your helm, I'm not exactly terrified.
 
Apparently we only had 2 more sacks on us than the phins last season. Guess the o-line won't screw us over on this after all! I honestly don't see anyone in this contest besides us and the phins.


Please, if we can beat you with Skelton, we can certainly beat you with Peyton. Niner D is for real and your special teams are fantastic at giving the other team horrible field position but Manning won't have nearly as hard a time getting down the field as Skelly. Also, Fitz didn't have a #2 to free him up last season. If we get a respectable second option for this season, you only get easier to beat. I respect your team and we will have battles but the notion that the Niners are impervious is ridiculous. Our defense is no slouch and will be even better this season. With Smith at your helm, I'm not exactly terrified.

Same ol story for the cards. Throw a bunch of money at a qb from another team and hope they get another Warner. They have no line, no run game and no te. You beat us with Skelton on 2 lucky throws and the biggest bullshit call of the season "uh... Let's stop this niners td pass mid play so the cards can challenge an obvious catch... Oh uh the equipment isn't working! Oh wellz! Cards aren't stripped of a timeout since we can't replay! Carry on!"

No one will ever be scared of Alex but that is exactly why the cards will always be losers. They don't build a team, they just try to luck out on a franchise qb to mask piss poor draft classes and horrible FA signings
 
Superbowl bitch.

Nah, we think the team is staying. They don't have faith though, not yet. Some want Williams, some want Vincent, all I want is a good draft.

I think we had a good one last year, I think the first draft with the new regime was a bit of a failure, simply because they went after scheme players. Really believe Carrington can play, but not in a 4-3, same with Moats. Both of these players will end up somewhere and both can be effective players. Case in point, if that absolute abortion Maybin can nab 6 sacks, Moats can hit 12 in the same scheme.

I'm riding high to be honest, we nail this draft and I'll be happy. All new scouts this year, I like the approach, and I'm patient. Think we'll compete at a better level this year.

It's definitely tough having a team like NE in your division. It's at least 1 guaranteed loss every year. But I liked what I saw from the Bills last year, though it seemed Fitz kind of crumbled after signing the extension. Don't follow them enough to know if that was just a coincidence


More along the lines of reading D's and how to go about being an NFL qb, vague I know. Mechanics wise Manning isn't going to fix him. If they hang on to Tebow, I can see success with him after Manning. But the same could be said if it was any guy that had some talent behind him.

We will patch up the d with the draft. Pass d was terrible and Bills and Pats were the right teams to exploit this. Goodman, combined with rookies at safety results in wins like those from capable passing teams.

I just think Tebow is always going to go native and drop the ball below his waist as he throws it. I think the dream for your org is getting Peyton and then getting a haul from Khan for Tebow.

Not sure how good the safeties are in this draft, but that is a definite need for sure


FYI, Miami hasn't had the best luck when it comes to drafting 2nd round QBs.

It really is simple. Either Miami:

1. Picks up Peyton for a few years.
2. Drafts Tannehill
3. Picks up Flynn

I don't see them getting RG3 anymore. And as far as Moore goes, who was 6-3 last year, his future seems to be precarious, unless Miami decides to keep him and let Peyton be his mentor.

I would hope they don't let Peyton string them along too quickly and move on to Flynn. I don't think Tannehill falls that far, and either way, he has to sit his rookie year. He is very raw but has a great ceiling. All that can be done by playing him year 1 is screwing him up.

I like Moore, and having him backup/learn from Peyton would be great, and is a quality fall back if Peyton just can't play anymore. It's why I think Miami is the clear favorite. Good roster. Replacement in place if needed who also would benefit from watching and learning. And an owner who will guarantee the money unlike any other.
 
Same ol story for the cards. Throw a bunch of money at a qb from another team and hope they get another Warner. They have no line, no run game and no te. You beat us with Skelton on 2 lucky throws and the biggest bullshit call of the season "uh... Let's stop this niners td pass mid play so the cards can challenge an obvious catch... Oh uh the equipment isn't working! Oh wellz! Cards aren't stripped of a timeout since we can't replay! Carry on!"

No one will ever be scared of Alex but that is exactly why the cards will always be losers. They don't build a team, they just try to luck out on a franchise qb to mask piss poor draft classes and horrible FA signings

HA! First off, Peyton is not the same situation as Kolb and you know it. OL is our weak spot but the Colts wasn't very good either. Peyton releases fast enough to mask how bad an OL is just as Warner did with us. It didn't magically get worse after he left, it was the difference in QB play.

No run game my ass. Beanie actually played through is injury much of the season, missed a few games and still cleared 1k yards despite other teams not fearing our pass. Ryan Williams has potential and he'll be back healthy this season. He was explosive in training camp and I was excited to see him play until he was injured against GB in the pre-season. He and Beanie could be a very solid one-two punch at RB. Also, Beanie tends to beast when our rookie FB, Sherman, was in. Sherman missed some games and when he came back, instant performance boost for Beanie.

As for TE, that's a toss up. If Heap can actually stay healthy, we can have nice production there. King was a surprise last season and with solid QB play, could be big for us. Housler (rookie last season)has great size and will create mismatches. A proper off season should do him well if he stays healthy. So I'd say we definitely have a solid shot at good TE play if the QB play is up to par.

You can complain about that call all you want but you shouldn't have even let the score be close enough that it'd have made a difference if we're as bad and you as good as you say and that's with Skelton who still hasn't even had a proper off season since he entered the league. Your comment about draft and FA is complete nonsense, you clearly didn't pay enough attention to our team to make such an accusation. I'd break it down but my post is long enough. If you want to challenge it, I'll cover it in a follow up. You're way off the mark, especially with the draft comment.
 
HA! First off, Peyton is not the same situation as Kolb and you know it. OL is our weak spot but the Colts wasn't very good either. Peyton releases fast enough to mask how bad an OL is just as Warner did with us. It didn't magically get worse after he left, it was the difference in QB play.

No run game my ass. Beanie actually played through is injury much of the season, missed a few games and still cleared 1k yards despite other teams not fearing our pass. Ryan Williams has potential and he'll be back healthy this season. He was explosive in training camp and I was excited to see him play until he was injured against GB in the pre-season. He and Beanie could be a very solid one-two punch at RB. Also, Beanie tends to beast when our rookie FB, Sherman, was in. Sherman missed some games and when he came back, instant performance boost for Beanie.

As for TE, that's a toss up. If Heap can actually stay healthy, we can have nice production there. King was a surprise last season and with solid QB play, could be big for us. Housler (rookie last season)has great size and will create mismatches. A proper off season should do him well if he stays healthy. So I'd say we definitely have a solid shot at good TE play if the QB play is up to par.

You can complain about that call all you want but you shouldn't have even let the score be close enough that it'd have made a difference if we're as bad and you as good as you say and that's with Skelton who still hasn't even had a proper off season since he entered the league. Your comment about draft and FA is complete nonsense, you clearly didn't pay enough attention to our team to make such an accusation. I'd break it down but my post is long enough. If you want to challenge it, I'll cover it in a follow up. You're way off the mark, especially with the draft comment.

The 49ers regression to the mean will be fun to watch. They aren't going through another year with that injury luck. I think Harbaugh is a great coach, Baalke a good GM, and the owner seems to be embracing lots of advanced ideas. They will be a dominant team for years, if, and it's a big if, they land a franchise QB

They maxed out Alex last year and better hope Kpaernick is the real deal
 
The 49ers regression to the mean will be fun to watch. They aren't going through another year with that injury luck. I think Harbaugh is a great coach, Baalke a good GM, and the owner seems to be embracing lots of advanced ideas. They will be a dominant team for years, if, and it's a big if, they land a franchise QB

They maxed out Alex last year and better hope Kpaernick is the real deal

For sure, they'll be a good team for some time if they can hold on to their pieces and continue to build. Solid D, Solid ST, and Harbaugh certainly proved himself. The GM certainly knew what he was doing when he picked Aldon Smith. I just don't see them winning a chip as long as they are using Alex. It takes more than his conservative play to go all the way. Indeed, they better hope Harbaugh grooms Kaepernick because they don't seem to be willing to do much else at that position. I wonder how much wear and tear Gore has, he seems to get injured easier and when he truly slows down, it will make Smith's lack of talent far more apparent. Oh, they still need a WR worth a damn as well. Crabby ain't enough.

Meanwhile we have been crafting a fantastic young D piece by piece. Some great pieces these last two drafts and with Horton's scheme completely down by the start of this season, I think that unit can be scary. Great ST play from Peterson and the top WR in the league. We get a good QB and we'll do much. Still need a compliment to Fitz, an elite pass rusher, and especially upgrades on the OL but we're getting there.

I expect games between the Cards and Niners to be damn interesting going forth.

As for QB hits and sacks:

Cardinals 54 sacks given up, 86 quarterback hits (31st in sacks, 27th in hits)
Dophins 52 sacks given up, 95 quarterbck hits (30th in sacks, 29th in hits)
Seahawks 50 sacks given up, 114 quarterback hits (29th in sacks, 31st/32nd tie for hits)
 
For sure, they'll be a good team for some time if they can hold on to their pieces and continue to build. Solid D, Solid ST, and Harbaugh certainly proved himself. The GM certainly knew what he was doing when he picked Aldon Smith. I just don't see them winning a chip as long as they are using Alex. It takes more than his conservative play to go all the way. Indeed, they better hope Harbaugh grooms Kaepernick because they don't seem to be willing to do much else at that position. I wonder how much wear and tear Gore has, he seems to get injured easier and when he truly slows down, it will make Smith's lack of talent far more apparent. Oh, they still need a WR worth a damn as well. Crabby ain't enough.

Meanwhile we have been crafting a fantastic young D piece by piece. Some great pieces these last two drafts and with Horton's scheme completely down by the start of this season, I think that unit can be scary. Great ST play from Peterson and the top WR in the league. We get a good QB and we'll do much. Still need a compliment to Fitz, an elite pass rusher, and especially upgrades on the OL but we're getting there.

I expect games between the Cards and Niners to be damn interesting going forth.

As for QB hits and sacks:

Cardinals 54 sacks given up, 86 quarterback hits (31st in sacks, 27th in hits)
Dophins 52 sacks given up, 95 quarterbck hits (30th in sacks, 29th in hits)
Seahawks 50 sacks given up, 114 quarterback hits (29th in sacks, 31st/32nd tie for hits)

So what you're saying is, Peyton should go to Denver, because they don't have a shit oline?
 
The 49ers regression to the mean will be fun to watch. They aren't going through another year with that injury luck. I think Harbaugh is a great coach, Baalke a good GM, and the owner seems to be embracing lots of advanced ideas. They will be a dominant team for years, if, and it's a big if, they land a franchise QB

They maxed out Alex last year and better hope Kpaernick is the real deal

You just don't get it. It's not Alex smith, it's harbaugh. Doesn't matter if it's Alex or kap, our qbs will always hover around 90-100 qb rating and a 3/1 td/int ratio. It's his system, and you'll see that in the coming years.

As for us lucking out on injuries, we sure did. Willis misses a quarter of the season, our 5th string wr started half the season, we had a game where we had 3 healthy Wrs: Crabtree, Brett swain and joe Hastings, our #2 te missed the last 2 games of the season and the saints playoff game, and goldson missed the first 3 games of the season.

Nope, we stayed totally healthy all year!
 
It's definitely tough having a team like NE in your division. It's at least 1 guaranteed loss every year. But I liked what I saw from the Bills last year, though it seemed Fitz kind of crumbled after signing the extension. Don't follow them enough to know if that was just a coincidence.

Well he signed the extension during the bye, right after the bye we played Washington, won big while Shanny made excuses, but in that game London Fletcher destroyed Fitz on a blitz. Cracked his ribs, and he kept playing. He's not making excuses, but I'm sure it had a big affect the next couple of weeks. Lost the backup LT the following week (lost starter earlier in the year), Fred and his center against the Cowboys, OL was a mess.

Bad teams have depth problems, so we were thin as hell and injuries caught up. With 9 picks this year they can hopefully close the gap a bit.
 
For sure, they'll be a good team for some time if they can hold on to their pieces and continue to build. Solid D, Solid ST, and Harbaugh certainly proved himself. The GM certainly knew what he was doing when he picked Aldon Smith. I just don't see them winning a chip as long as they are using Alex. It takes more than his conservative play to go all the way. Indeed, they better hope Harbaugh grooms Kaepernick because they don't seem to be willing to do much else at that position. I wonder how much wear and tear Gore has, he seems to get injured easier and when he truly slows down, it will make Smith's lack of talent far more apparent. Oh, they still need a WR worth a damn as well. Crabby ain't enough.

Meanwhile we have been crafting a fantastic young D piece by piece. Some great pieces these last two drafts and with Horton's scheme completely down by the start of this season, I think that unit can be scary. Great ST play from Peterson and the top WR in the league. We get a good QB and we'll do much. Still need a compliment to Fitz, an elite pass rusher, and especially upgrades on the OL but we're getting there.

I expect games between the Cards and Niners to be damn interesting going forth.

As for QB hits and sacks:

Cardinals 54 sacks given up, 86 quarterback hits (31st in sacks, 27th in hits)
Dophins 52 sacks given up, 95 quarterbck hits (30th in sacks, 29th in hits)
Seahawks 50 sacks given up, 114 quarterback hits (29th in sacks, 31st/32nd tie for hits)

Like I said above, harbaugh will get production out of any qb on our roster. He doesn't need a hof qb to bail him out like your mediocre coaches do. Cards d performed well late in the season and they are a good unit but I don't fear the cards at all. You and the seachickens will be fighting for the 2nd place scraps for years to come. Niners gots this!
 
Cardinals 54 sacks given up, 86 quarterback hits (31st in sacks, 27th in hits)
Dophins 52 sacks given up, 95 quarterbck hits (30th in sacks, 29th in hits)
Seahawks 50 sacks given up, 114 quarterback hits (29th in sacks, 31st/32nd tie for hits)

The problem with these stats is there are too many dependencies to isolate the cause. I saw one website which went out and timed how quickly a QB was hit from the time the ball was snapped. The idea being that the longer a QB held the ball and got hit, the more the fault lay at he and/or his receivers. Whereas quick pressure would tend to be the fault of the offensive line. Not perfect b/c the back or TE might miss a chip, or the QB called the wrong protection.

But it was the best I've seen so far in measuring the quality of a line.

http://footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2012/under-pressure-violence-rams

found it
 
You just don't get it. It's not Alex smith, it's harbaugh. Doesn't matter if it's Alex or kap, our qbs will always hover around 90-100 qb rating and a 3/1 td/int ratio. It's his system, and you'll see that in the coming years.

As for us lucking out on injuries, we sure did. Willis misses a quarter of the season, our 5th string wr started half the season, we had a game where we had 3 healthy Wrs: Crabtree, Brett swain and joe Hastings, our #2 te missed the last 2 games of the season and the saints playoff game, and goldson missed the first 3 games of the season.

Nope, we stayed totally healthy all year!

Everyone has injuries. Your team had significantly fewer injuries. As you saw in the Saints game, even with a great D and great ST, you still have to throw to win. To his credit, Alex played great.

You feasted on a shit division. Maybe that will always be the case. I just don't think you can, year in year out, count on defense and ST to carry you in the modern NFL. What you can count on is a franchise QB
 
Like I said above, harbaugh will get production out of any qb on our roster. He doesn't need a hof qb to bail him out like your mediocre coaches do. Cards d performed well late in the season and they are a good unit but I don't fear the cards at all. You and the seachickens will be fighting for the 2nd place scraps for years to come. Niners gots this!
We'll see when you never win a chip with Smith. I agree that your coach will find the best way to utilize your QB's and it will allow them to not sabotage the team, but they won't win any games for the team either. It's just not enough to go all the way. I guess we'll find out for sure going forth but you won't have such an easy path any longer. I'm sure you feel comfy atm, but you will respect the Cards before long, just wait and see. We get Peyton and it will be the Niners that fight the chickens for scraps (assuming he stays healthy).

The problem with these stats is there are too many dependencies to isolate the cause. I saw one website which went out and timed how quickly a QB was hit from the time the ball was snapped. The idea being that the longer a QB held the ball and got hit, the more the fault lay at he and/or his receivers. Whereas quick pressure would tend to be the fault of the offensive line. Not perfect b/c the back or TE might miss a chip, or the QB called the wrong protection.

But it was the best I've seen so far in measuring the quality of a line.

http://footballoutsiders.com/under-pressure/2012/under-pressure-violence-rams

found it

I was only pointing out that the other top suitor doesn't stand far apart from us in the one category we aren't desirable. SH's were thrown in for good measure. I don't disagree with the point you're making and it doesn't contradict what I stated earlier about Warner and Peyton's release. It hides how bad the OL really is. We have pretty much the exact same OL that we had going to the SB a few years back, save for Colledge which is a slight upgrade over what we had before. Peyton can succeed even with this OL. Not to mention we will be upgrading it where we can.
 
Back to back teams won the Super Bowl with a ton of injuries throughout the season.

The key to winning a Super Bowl is to not have Alex Smith on your team.
 
Everyone has injuries. Your team had significantly fewer injuries. As you saw in the Saints game, even with a great D and great ST, you still have to throw to win. To his credit, Alex played great.

You feasted on a shit division. Maybe that will always be the case. I just don't think you can, year in year out, count on defense and ST to carry you in the modern NFL. What you can count on is a franchise QB

Dude we had 10 wins before we played our 2nd NFC west game so don't give me that shit. And yes the rams had lots of injuries but would it have mattered? A 100% healthy 2011 rams team goes 5-11 at best.

I agree our offense needs to get better but you act like all of our players have been in harbaughs system for 5 years. We got to the NFC championship game in a lockout shortened season with a new coaching staff and new system. You don't think just maybe there is a chance we get BETTER with experience instead of worse?
 
We'll see when you never win a chip with Smith. I agree that your coach will find the best way to utilize your QB's and it will allow them to not sabotage the team, but they won't win any games for the team either. It's just not enough to go all the way. I guess we'll find out for sure going forth but you won't have such an easy path any longer. I'm sure you feel comfy atm, but you will respect the Cards before long, just wait and see. We get Peyton and it will be the Niners that fight the chickens for scraps (assuming he stays healthy).

Maybe you missed Alex driving the team 85 yards to win the game against the saints and then driving 80 yards to win it a second time all within the last 4 minutes. Alex isn't elite but if you say he is the reason we lost the NFC title game you're fucking stupid.

And the cards are a lot more than a qb away from making the playoffs, let alone competing for a superbowl
 
Alex smith: more home playoff wins than erron rodgers and Matthew Flynn combined!
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Dude we had 10 wins before we played our 2nd NFC west game so don't give me that shit. And yes the rams had lots of injuries but would it have mattered? A 100% healthy 2011 rams team goes 5-11 at best.

I agree our offense needs to get better but you act like all of our players have been in harbaughs system for 5 years. We got to the NFC championship game in a lockout shortened season with a new coaching staff and new system. You don't think just maybe there is a chance we get BETTER with experience instead of worse?

Parts will get better. Your line should improve for sure. Could upgrade Gore to someone faster. But your D and ST, I'm not sure they'll get a lot better. Aldon Smith and Bowman will get better, but Justin Smith and P Willis will probably slide a little

And don't think I'm in anyway defending the Rams. Their roster is worse than the Colts. I not only want to trade out of two, I want to trade out of 4 or 6 to someone who wants Richardson or Tannehill. The Rams are brutally awful at too many positions to waste a top 10 pick on Justin Blackmon
 
Parts will get better. Your line should improve for sure. Could upgrade Gore to someone faster. But your D and ST, I'm not sure they'll get a lot better. Aldon Smith and Bowman will get better, but Justin Smith and P Willis will probably slide a little

And don't think I'm in anyway defending the Rams. Their roster is worse than the Colts. I not only want to trade out of two, I want to trade out of 4 or 6 to someone who wants Richardson or Tannehill. The Rams are brutally awful at too many positions to waste a top 10 pick on Justin Blackmon

I'm talking about our offense. I don't think the d is going 14 straight games without allowing a rush td and I don't expect our st to perform as well but our offense will get better
 
Parts will get better. Your line should improve for sure. Could upgrade Gore to someone faster. But your D and ST, I'm not sure they'll get a lot better. Aldon Smith and Bowman will get better, but Justin Smith and P Willis will probably slide a little

And don't think I'm in anyway defending the Rams. Their roster is worse than the Colts. I not only want to trade out of two, I want to trade out of 4 or 6 to someone who wants Richardson or Tannehill. The Rams are brutally awful at too many positions to waste a top 10 pick on Justin Blackmon


Already have Kendall Hunter as a speed back/change of pace guy. I'm holding out hope that the Niners are sending smoke screens, but everything I've seen and heard says that aren't going after Manning.

The niners would dominate with Peyton. And after just reading how much cap room they have, it just blows my mind that they aren't the number one contender. Great o line, really only need to add a receiver. Peyton would turn Crabtree into an incredible receiver.
 
Any team that wants to consider having a QB learn under Manning should just take themselves out of the picture right away based on some of the stories you hear about him. All the stories out there makes it seem like he has a very antagonistic relationship with the other QBs on the team. I know I saw one story about his days at Tennessee where he was locking other quarterbacks out of the facility so he was the only one to watch film or just generally being deceptive around them. If he was a good player to mentor under you would think the bums the Colts trotted out last season would have been at least competent. He is just too competitive for that kind of role.
 
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