Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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heliosRAzi
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You know, this ending makes the grandfather seem like a pedophile. He was telling this kid stories of how Shep had sex with all of these people in detail and also told the kid about Asari vaginas.
What do you mean the first time he appeared? The first time they meet is at the end. Shepard is the first organic being to have a choice because he's the first one to reach the catalyst. It didn't see a need for a choice since everything had worked as planned up till this point.
Empty Space
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The ghost boy is not actually the boy Shepard meets at the start of the game. That's just form it wants to show itself as.
Apophenia Overload
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Honestly he sounds more like a creepy yet cool out-of-touch WWII vet who goes on and on about rated M for Mature stories of bloodshed and ravishing of women to a kid who doesn't know anything about war. I'm pretty sure this sort of scenario has been played for laughs in comedy before.
Yeah but why does it matter if he reaches the Catalyst or not? Why does the Catalyst care if some organic pondscum physically finds him why? Is it because it's kind of like in one of those scenarios where you find the command center of the supercomputer and you have the option of pulling the plug and the AI is bargaining with you to not do so? And if so, that means the Catalyst is a dick that's just suggesting Synthesis for the sake of self-preservation and probably has something in mind to screw over Shepard to begin with.
I thought he was acting kinda ghostly in a Sixth Sense/Fight Club sort of way? As in only Shepard sees and reacts to him? I thought he was always imaginary.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
I just looked at the list of readiness scores and to get 5000, you really do need to play online.
What happens to this game when all the servers are shut down? You're permanently stuck on the sub 4k score ending. :/
What happens to this game when all the servers are shut down? You're permanently stuck on the sub 4k score ending. :/
Rahxephon91
Banned
A cyborg ninja in ME? What the fuck? Remember when the series was supposed to be hard sci-fi?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
A cyborg ninja is as pulp as you can get, which is what ME was all about.
30 Rock does it beautifully with the president of Kabletown.
XANDER CAGE
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Considering that the first game in the series was all about a space ctulu-robot monster from beyond the stars that turned people into zombies with ancient space magic/technology? And the second game started with a character being brought back from the dead because expensive, vague science happened? And that the series is named after a completely made up scientific process that uses a completely made up element?
Not really, no.
vitaminwateryum
corporate swill
Don't forget that people can use force powers. Because you know, biotics.
Is not like EA is known for shutting down multiplayer servers... oh wait. On PC there will probably be a save editor, but on consoles, there goes the "you can get the best ending just by doing side-missions and scanning". Sidenote, one time the game bugged out while connecting to the EA servers and my multiplier was 0%, so it can always be worse.
I only hope this isn't one of that jokes that actually is a lot closer to reality then one would think... eeeck.
MasterShotgun
brazen editing lynx
I had little issue with him. Hell, every scene he was in was pretty cool, especially the fight in TIM's room
Also, I really wish we could have killed Kai Leng with a tootbrush.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It's cute when fans decide that they know how things are made, especially when the creators have made completely contradictory statements on the subject.
Hard Sci-Fi?
This is the reason Stargate: Universe got cancelled. Because the previous Stargates had convinced everyone that sci-fi was pew pew lasers.
LumpOfCole
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There are threads on /v/, GiantBomb, and other places that are making Photoshopped Tali faces. This is because Tali's picture that appears in ME3 (only appears if you romance Tali I believe) is just a photoshopped stock photo from the interwebz.
Tali's Face:
Teh Photoshurpz:
Tali's Face:
Teh Photoshurpz:
XANDER CAGE
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heliosRAzi
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Rahxephon91
Banned
You're right. Which is also the part I hate about ME1. The ME story potential was pretty much shat upon the moment it started the Reaper stuff. I never liked that aspect. So really I just have ignored it. But the cyrborg ninja thing just seemd to be a bit over the top, at least more then I expected. Just seemed kind of funny.
They had this decently set up universe(which I think Bioware did try to present as hard -sci-fi) and then took it down the worst possible route.
What the fuck are you talking about? I'm not a fan of ME. And nowhere did I say anything about knowing how the series was made. Thanks for the unneeded condescension. The beginnings of ME did present a decently grounded sci-fi universe. It's not my fault then even with the first game it progressively lost that, which is of course why I never liked anything to do with the reapers. But since you wanted to assume other shit about me, I guess you did'nt know that.
Can't believe that they cheapen out on this, and I'm not really a huge Tali fan... but with so much tease during the series and not even an original art?
Also, Mike Gamble is replying to some people on twitter... this won't end well
XANDER CAGE
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This I totally agree with. Even back in 2007, when Sovereign gave his whole "you cannot comprehend us" spiel, I knew that the Reaper storyline could only resolve poorly.
Apophenia Overload
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Mass Effect with its Codex has always had a lot of good world-building and plausible-sounding technobabble. That doesn't make it anymore hard sci-fi than say Command and Conquer did with its volumes of fictional details on Tiberium, but it does present a nice veneer. But no, it was never meant to be hard sci-fi in the least.
I am annoyed that they gave Kai Leng a katana, because he's of Chinese descent.
XANDER CAGE
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Oh god, he's already getting a bit defensive.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Look at the posts above.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Does anyone like the endings? So far I have not seen anyone who does.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
I love how on his bio, he writes "Opinions are not those of BioWare". That does a great deal of good when you are the producer of the franchise.
XANDER CAGE
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(I love your Individual Eleven avatar)
I haven't really spoken to many people who loved the ending, no.
A lot of (very vocal) fans are bitching up a storm about the ending not being "happy". I fear that Bioware is going to assume that everyone hates the ending because things didn't go the way fans wanted, when the reality is that the endings are straight-up poorly written.
Krogan are going to murder everyone on Earth.
They could've just played it straight and went Return of the Jedi or even just made it super grimdark if they wanted to. Problem is they are just poor endings. I'm sure some defense force somewhere is about to say that the endings are too avant garde for laymen to understand.
That or there is going to be "real ending" DLC around the corner.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Well, they are poorly written. But then again, BW fans are fucking nuts.
One girl started eStalking me because I made out with Fenris in one of my Male Hawke playthroughs. I was apparently not allowed to make Fenris gay in my personal game.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Yeah, we know how Bioware handles criticisms (people say the inventory sucks in ME1 leads to no loot in ME2 and such). It'd be a miracle if they realize that the reason people don't like the endings is because it doesn't jive with anything presented in any of the games.
The reason I ask is because even with the DX:HR endings, there were people who liked them, even if they were on a post-game high. With this, all of the greatness of ME3 comes to screeching halt apparently.
EDIT: Thanks for the comment
MasterShotgun
brazen editing lynx
I kind of like the endings. Yeah it's bleak and strange, but I actually like that there's not some cheesy "everyone lives and is happy" ending. It also leads to some interesting things they could do with future ME games.
What I dislike is how similar they are. Each ending is almost the same except for the color of the explosion (as several posters before me stated). The whole series had been about branching stories, and it never really mattered. It does play into the whole "little control of galaxy's fate" thing which I like, but it still leaves a sour taste. At the very least, it really hurts the replay value of the game.
Inferno313
Banned
I'm fine with it, I was a little frustrated at first. I don't think they're perfect, but I feel satisfied and I'd much rather have what we got than a Return of the Jedi.
XANDER CAGE
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See, I kind of would have been ok with it if the ending HAD gone in some hilarious fucked-up direction, ala End of Evangelion or Ergo Proxy or something. I get the feeling they sort of tried to do that, but there was nothing really to draw from and the game didn't really have anything to say in that sense.
Like, if they were trying to make a statement about the advancement of technology, kind of a weird medium to do it. The reasoning behind the Reapers is both poor and also only brought up within the last five minutes of the game. If the whole series had been about how synthetics totally fuck up organics and that organics playing god will always be doomed at the hands of their creations, that'd make far more sense. Instead, we are shown two examples in the entire series - the Geth, who are not a problem after Mass Effect 2, and EDI, who is also proven to be not a problem in Mass Effect 2.
True, but I sort of consider "bleak for the sake of bleak" to be just as cheesy.
Shouta
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I finished the game and ugh, seriously wtf at that ending. It's like they spent their entire load with events and then limped to the finish with a terrible thematic ending that had little proper build up in the game. It's just like Deus Ex HR all over again.
And it's not only that but half-assing the choices you can do in the game and how they relate to the final battle was really awful. In retrospect, dawdling around with the threat of the reapers for 2 games really hurt them in this respect. They relied too much on the mystery and the revelations of the reapers rather than actually developing it a meaningful manner or really going wild with the choices in the game.
At any rate, Mordin, Thane, Legion, Anderson, and Shepard were my only casualties in my run. everyone else survived. I kinda wish there was a way of saving Legion too but eh, I guess you can't really consider him dead because his program probably integrated into the rest of the Geth, as I got the cooperation resolution for them.
And it's not only that but half-assing the choices you can do in the game and how they relate to the final battle was really awful. In retrospect, dawdling around with the threat of the reapers for 2 games really hurt them in this respect. They relied too much on the mystery and the revelations of the reapers rather than actually developing it a meaningful manner or really going wild with the choices in the game.
At any rate, Mordin, Thane, Legion, Anderson, and Shepard were my only casualties in my run. everyone else survived. I kinda wish there was a way of saving Legion too but eh, I guess you can't really consider him dead because his program probably integrated into the rest of the Geth, as I got the cooperation resolution for them.
Rahxephon91
Banned
Yes. I don't agree with them. Fine, perhaps going with hard sci-fi was the wrong term, but it wasn't far from what I was trying to say. Regardless of things like a made up energy and bitoics. They don't take away that ME was presented as a well grounded, realistic(while still retaining obviously gamey things) and logical universe. It stretches things, but it didn't try to explain it's universe as just whatever anything goes. I never said ME was some great example of hard sci-fi. I just wanted to know what people thought of the ninja. But fine whatever.
Apophenia Overload
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Hard sci-fi usually refers to science fiction that is very scientifically realistic. I think when you said "realistic" you meant "thematically coherent", as in you don't have random cyber ninjas and so forth because that doesn't quite fit the setting. I don't agree with that (I actually think Kai Leng is pretty cool, he just happens to be an Asian character with transhuman cybernetic gear), but I think that's what you meant.
HallwayGiant
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Without beating the dead horse that is the ending...
Any idea what's up with the two greyed out options towards the end of the final Illusive Man confrontation? I'm pretty sure I was 100% paragon.
Any idea what's up with the two greyed out options towards the end of the final Illusive Man confrontation? I'm pretty sure I was 100% paragon.
XANDER CAGE
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Pretty sure you can get him to off himself if you get both of those colored dialogue options. Otherwise, Shepard shoots him normally.
Not sure whether to consider that a neat throwback to Saren, or writing themselves out of the same corner twice, haha.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
There are idiots on the BSN that say Dragon Age required a college degree to understand.
They say this to bash DA2, but whatever.
MasterShotgun
brazen editing lynx
Probably both. I liked the throwback, but I'm glad it didn't lead into some dumb boss fight.
On that note, it just hit me that there wasn't a real final boss fight. +1 to BioWare for that.
vitaminwateryum
corporate swill
To be honest the endings feel like they've spoiled a lot of the experience for me. The games had this amazing build up and then regardless of what you do no one gets a happy ending.
-Shepard is dead,
-Your crew is landed in the middle of bumblefuck nowhere.
-The Mass Relays are gone, meaning that most of the civilizations are cut off from each other and they'll likely never be able to travel like that again.
-Earth is pretty much annihilated.
The endings would be fine if there was some sort of "happy ending" obtainable for playing it on insane or something like that and getting maxed out galactic readiness. All of the galactic readiness stuff essentially boils down to is which meaningless choice do you want to pick.
-Destroy the reapers? Everything is fucked, but the reapers are gone.
-Control the reapers? Everything is fucked, but Space Jesus makes the reapers fly away.
-Synthesis ending? Everything is still fucked, but now it's a green explosion and people have blue eyes.
XANDER CAGE
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I dunno, that final fight with like five Brutes and three Banshees (is this Halo, by the way?) was pretty brutal.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
As someone posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_NAoNd4YyY
I don't personally need any explanation regarding where these guys come from. They're bad, big, and strong. Our purpose is to stop them. Anything that lets us know more about them only makes them less interesting.
That would've been perfect, actually.
MasterShotgun
brazen editing lynx
A final encounter with tough enemies, yes. But not a single entity like the previous two games. Saren was good in ME1, but it would have been horrible to repeat that with TIM here. And they probably couldn't think of something that would have been better than ME2's final boss.
EDIT: I mean that in a bad way. ME2's final boss was stupid. (And easy with a Cain.)
XANDER CAGE
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Agreed, although now I kind of want to see Martin Sheen jumping around like Spider-man, shooting lasers out of his mouth.
PinkCrayon
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Before or after he completely butt fucks us?
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
Come on, it's PanderWare.
RenegadeShep would make a witty one liner and falcon punch him.
MasterShotgun
brazen editing lynx
On a completely different note, this was easily the funniest moment of the game. The whole game was full of comedic gems, but this one took the cake.
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