Why not hijack the organics' minds and prevent them from building the synthetics in the first place.
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Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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Why not hijack the organics' minds and prevent them from building the synthetics in the first place.
Assuming Direct Control...
EmCeeGramr
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why not put a giant thing on a bunch of planets and in the citadel saying "please don't build AIs or you'll destroy the galaxy, we think"
APZonerunner
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Well, isn't the point that the Reapers are machines? Not like EDI or the Geth either, but just brainlessly completing their task. They'd been told - programmed, whatever - to return and purge every 50,000 years - and so they do. They don't really consider the ins and outs - they sow the seeds to do the job they were programmed to do at any cost, surely?
I'm not saying you should let the reapers win. But not having the option to let it go is a bit strange imo. Sometimes the best choice is to make no choice. And that's a matter of tastes, some people might have liked it.
Empty Space
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One would assume that there are laws preventing AIs from existing in their universe because there had been examples of it before. The player is just never informed about it. Laws are always created as a reaction to something not prevention. I'd like to point out again I totally agree with your opinion. The Geth have fully evolved at the end of my play through their society whole would no longer change its opinion on organics anymore. One individual may go rogue, but their species as a whole holds no animosity for organics. If they had let you put that argument forward in some capacity to the Catalyst I don't think I would have hated the ending as much. Even if the thing gave a bullshit answer in return.
heliosRAzi
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"When the land overflows with AI, the Citadel shall become Hell's messenger and destroy the world of Mass Effect"
-Lordsaren, Tengen Toppa Mass Effect
"Don't touch this button or, so help us God, we'll come and kick your shit."
Well, this gets back to my point about the company. If they wanted to take this angle, they should have properly foreshadowed it instead of pulling it out of thin air. But they've basically just made stuff up on the spot irregardless of it making sense or not.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Either way, the Catalyst is an AI that is destroying organic life
Fudgepuppy
Banned
Yeah but think about it. For being machines created for a noble cause, they sure do like making everything a living hell.
If they aren't programmed to feel hatred and sadism, why do they commit such horrible acts of war. Couldn't a simple clean-sweep with their lasers be enough if it's all about euthanasia.
Inferno313
Banned
No, I assume it's just someone's kid in the distant future, possibly on the planet the Normandy lands on. They way he describes how details of the story had been lost to time suggested to me it was at least a hundred or so years later.
EDIT: I reread your post and I think you just misheard, the old guy didn't refer to the kid as shepard. He was telling the kid about you.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
Not sure if this was brought up, but Protheans had "Avatars" that embodied certain "virtues" of their society, with Javik's being Vengeance? When I saw this, I immediately thought of another favorite old great RPG series, one which also had a pretty disappointing ending.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Yeah, I swear I didn't even see the good/bad choices. Fucking slaughtered the Quarians and then Tali killed herself. I wasn't too pleased to discover there were choices there. I swear it's not that they were greyed out, they just weren't there for me.
Couldn't have been worse than what we got.
I am so pissed at how unsatisfyingly this game ends. I just finished all three games within a couple weeks of each other. That ending just deflated me. I'm fine with Shepard's death, that was too be expected. But, make me feel like I won in the end. When they laid out the three choices I thought "I don't want to do any of those things." I came through three games to defeat the reapers, and you're telling me that's not happening (without at least killing off Edi and the geth whom I just slaughtered Quarians for). Fuck me with any choice I make.
Still want to know about this supposed new game + ending, if it's even real.
Ah, that makes sense, thanks!
As far as I can tell thats all just wishful thinking.
Should've been leaked by now, or someone should've already beat it a second time. So yeah I'm in agreement.
dragonelite
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Not sure how people are reacting on the bioware forums but im sure they know people didn't like the end and how it was filled with holes. If i have to replay the whole trilogy again for that perfect ending i will.
That's one thing I'm noticing in the videos I've seen. For some silly reason, if you cannot make a Paragon/Renegade choice, they will not show it to you greyed out.
How stupid is that.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I would think so too. IGN says it's true, though. And someone on gamespot forum says it's mentioned in the strategy guide. Someone on Gaf must have the guide.
Yeah, if I had seen them, I would have loaded a save from before I started the mission and ran around upping my paragon rep.
I would be fine with the "Perfect" ending being nigh impossible to unlock, if it were real, but its not. Ive actually wanted to make a game where I tricked players into a false ending that was super bittersweet and where only the most dedicated and insightful players were able to figure out and achieve the perfect ending, but thats sadly not the case here. If it was it would be awesome, to me at least.
If it exists theres no end game video for it, cause people already looked through all of them. Its silly to require a NG+ for it though. I had a perfect, game every sidequest complete, did every good thing in all 3 games, all DLC, 6900 EMS, paragoned TIM to suicide, full reputation. A NG+ wouldnt improve that in any way.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Well, if there's no video of it in the game data, I'd say that pretty well concludes that line of thought. IGN is just wrong, and gamespot forums have people who are full of shit on them. Shocking.
Oblivionmancer
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So we were told it was possible to get the 'best ending' without doing anything outside the single player. Having done everything in the game, I do not have the EMS to survive the ending. So, uh, huh. Not that it really matters, Bioware decided a 'victory' constituted destroying the galactic society that the games were about by destroying the mass relays. Yeah, I feel so fucking deflated right now. The game's 35 hours of buildup was mostly excellent, and then there's no payoff whatsoever, just an arbitrary, mandatory galactic reset button which can be red, blue or green at your discretion. How can this be the payoff for these characters, for this universe, for my hundreds of hours and dollars? Yuck.
Wrex can die back on Tuchanka. Other than that not sure how people are getting characters to die. Must be skipping a majority of the content.
BlazingDarkness
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Are there more ME games planned?
dragonelite
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I will probably replay the trilogy again in the summer vacation. Or after this period exams. And take the prothean with me.
I believe they were open to more, but not with Shepard.
XANDER CAGE
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The ending honestly reeks of hand-washing to me. They wanted to be rid of the universe and tie the whole thing up with a bow.
Also, Capsule avatar. <3
Hero_of_the_Day
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So, anything of interest from the leaked script that isn't in the game or was changed?
The ending reeks of World of Mass Effect incoming, imho.
If the "canon" ending is the Control Reapers/Shepard Lives one, then Shepard becomes lead villain of it, with him eventually losing control over them.
Well I maxed out the green bar which represented how ready I was for war, so I'm assumig nobody died. (I didnt notice any corpses)
Anyway I was fine with the entire games plot up until the scenes that took place after Anderson's death. I felt like I was just in disbelief, shaking my head that this is how Mass Effect ends.
Its a horrible end to a fantastic journey, and all the careful preparations that players made throughout the trilogy in order to save the galaxy, are all for naught.
No matter what you do, the player is funneled down three paths, all equally bad in both outcome, and in relation to the lore. (They are all practically the same anyway, whats the point of the choice if we can't even see the impact of our actions such as a world with controlled reapers, no synthetics, etc.)
Im kind of leaning towards this myself. The endings are all pure IP suicide. Any attempt to continue the series forward would require them to come up with almost a whole new universe with shit tons of explanations and reasonings for how the galaxy recovered and made up for the loss of the Relays and that space magic.
I mean the ending was to me without a doubt far more epic and emotionally powerful than even the original ME, right up to when Anderson dies and Hackett calls Shepard, it was more perfect than I could have hoped for, and when he started to rise up on that platform I was at my peak, I couldnt wait to see what was coming and then when I did my heart sunk and I was in pure depression mode because I realized no matter what I chose to do ME series was dead, not just over the story is complete, but dead, bullet to the brain, never coming back. And that tore me apart.
Apophenia Overload
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As I said, I think Bioware went all Final Fantasy on us. They've basically created a Canadian JRPG.
The only one that infintely fucks the universe is the destroy method. The reapers live in the other 2 and since the relay technology is theirs they could slowly rebuild it.
Jibbajabbawockky
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BioWare being all darker and sexier will make it a journal documenting the slow descent into madness and despair of the Normandy crew stranded on jungle planet as they resort to cannibalism!
Yeah, sadly. Thats what bothers me most about the endings really, is that they're not that different. Its just blue, green or red. Since you're never playing as Shepard again anyway and you're not seeing any consequence from the decision, whats the point?
Honestly, I think Dragon Age Origins had a pretty solid ending that ME3 should have emulated in terms of structure- you have it possible to survive or die, but regardless of that choice, after the big climax you have some dénouement. Whether that was the playable epilogue in the throne room where you could talk to everyone one last time or with your Warden's funeral with the eulogy. Then you had the epilogue slides to cap it off. You had a decent sense of closure to everything with a feeling of accomplishment.
ME3 is just a poor ending since it plays more like a cliffhanger than closure, with the fundamental changing of the nature of the ME universe in mucking up the mass relays, and then unnecessary teasing the fates of your squadmates when you'll never see them ever again as Shepard anyway. They're teasing future events that we'll never see the direct consequences of. Instead of using the ending to actually end the story they were currently telling, they started teasing some new story we'll never see.
Empty Space
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This was my take away after beating the game. They are done with Mass Effect and want to do something else. At the same time Bioware is a studio owned by EA are higher ups really going to let a relatively successful franchise just end like that? I really doubt it.
No. He dies either way, but he can die peacefully with you at his side, or die by bullet to the head by Illusive Man.
OK gotcha, I got the former.
Hero_of_the_Day
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He lived a bit longer for me then in other videos I've seen, but he still dies after he and Shep have a goodbye/victory talk. I assume that's all you can do, but I see a lot of reference to "saving him". I assume that means just stopping Illusive Man from killing him. But, yeah. He still died for me.
EDIT: Beaten.
True, in a best case scenario, but that would still take centuries if not millenia to rebuild. So it still amounts to the same thing more or less, so much time would pass that the galaxy would be unrecognizable.
heliosRAzi
Banned
Got this from BSN via SomethingAwful
A much better ending than the ones we got.
Faraborne said:
A much better ending than the ones we got.
I actually tried this when I first played the ending, though I had not read this proposal at the time, I walked back towards the lift that brought me up wishing there was some fourth option of saying no, but nothing happened.
XANDER CAGE
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Yeah if you just wait around it just cuts to a Game Over (for no real reason) after a minute or so of
DUN, DUN.
DUN, DUN.
DUN, DUN.
At least you could walk back in your game.
I went to the left, and then I was confused because "wait a minute, the kid just showed me those 2 rods...with the Illusive Man trying to control it...so..is this the bad ending? WTF why is it blue? guess i'll go look around the other si----well, nvm, I'm locked in place now, I can only press A!".
I went to the left, and then I was confused because "wait a minute, the kid just showed me those 2 rods...with the Illusive Man trying to control it...so..is this the bad ending? WTF why is it blue? guess i'll go look around the other si----well, nvm, I'm locked in place now, I can only press A!".
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