NFL Off-Season Thread: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"

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Futurevoid said:
Ross Trucker with a solid if sort of short sighted point:


The Redskins organization and fans who have to endure another 5 years of mediocrity because they don't have any draft picks to build a team with.
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Yes if he's the real deal, then it's not too much. Could be win-win. Rams will be able to get out from Chris Long and Jason Smith contracts after this year, with expected $30 million in cap space in 2013. Damn if Bradford could turn out to be good they could really be a force

edit: looks like Brownies tried to make late push but were too late. I said all week that both those teams couldn't sell the existing QBs to their fans anymore. Rams always had the leverage
 
SonnyBoy said:
Live wire,

The Skins have an average age of 26 years old. They were just recently the oldest team in the league. Old age isn't an issue.
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Who's the young elite guy replacing Fletcher when he retires/leaves in FA? Who's the young elite safety to take Landry's place? DeAngelo's place? Do we have more depth along the O-line to protect RG3? Who's our WRs? Cooley is done, who's coming up behind Davis?
 
Browns should just take Tannehill, and then give me a call for #10, I'll put you through to Buddy Nix, you can have Trent Rich for a 2nd and 4th. Deal?

LiveWire said:
Feels bad man :(
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He's a stud. Lots of holes on that Skins team, bet they go nuts in FA, only way to solve some of them. That or get lucky in the middle/late part of the draft.
 
Huh?

Adam Schefter

Trade will not change Redskins plans in pursuing Peyton Manning. Intend to talk with and try to sign him, even if considered a longshot.
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LiveWire said:
Who's the young elite guy replacing Fletcher when he retires/leaves in FA? Who's the young elite safety to take Landry's place? DeAngelo's place? Do we have more depth along the O-line to protect RG3? Who's our WRs? Cooley is done, who's coming up behind Davis?
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Draft picks are "overvalued" remember?;)

The Redskins do have cap space so they'll need to hit big time in free agency. I expect Danny boy to go back to being his active self this offseason once FA starts.

It won't happen because it's my own irrational "need" but I would be over the moon of the Giants signed London Fletcher. Yeah he's an old man but he's one of my favorite non-Giant players. Class act and still productive as all hell. I have a ton of respect for the guy.
 
Holy crap...
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LiveWire said:
Who's the young elite guy replacing Fletcher when he retires/leaves in FA? Who's the young elite safety to take Landry's place? DeAngelo's place? Do we have more depth along the O-line to protect RG3? Who's our WRs? Cooley is done, who's coming up behind Davis?
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so we could have used those 2 firsts and a 2nd to fill all those holes and....still have Grossman at QB? You need a quarterback to win in this league. We weren't going to get one by going 6-10 every year and picking in the bottom half of the top 10. Yeah, we gave up a lot, but it's not just for one player, it's to hopefully undo 15 years of mediocrity and bad decisions. Like I said, I still don't' have a ton of faith in Shanahan, Allen and Snyder, but at least this is a step IMO.
 
darkside31337 said:
This is the truth. You can shore up roster spots through free agency and later parts of the draft.

Losing three draft picks spread out over a period of three years hurts but it's not some sort of death knell.

Having another season where Rex Grossman is your starting QB with no long term QB you like in place after that is certainly a death knell.
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I'd rather have Rex for another year, go 2-14 and get the #1 or #2 pick and getting a top QB that way. At least we're only out 1 pick.
 
Just saw the Redskins-Rams news. What a fucking Joke. No player, especially a rookie QB (of whom I'm skeptical of anyway) is worth mortgaging your teams future. The Redskins already have alot of needs, and now they likely won't be able to address them. Enjoy the bottom of the barrel for years and years Washington
 
why would you not want a franchise qb to build around? holy shit. the guys cock couldnt be anymore throbbing after the amount of analysts that are on it.

your team doesnt mean shit if it doesnt have a franchise qb.
 
LiveWire said:
Who's the young elite guy replacing Fletcher when he retires/leaves in FA? Who's the young elite safety to take Landry's place? DeAngelo's place? Do we have more depth along the O-line to protect RG3? Who's our WRs? Cooley is done, who's coming up behind Davis?
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Well, they drafted a rookie SS last year who saw the field.

They drafted a CB last year who got some playing time.

Offensive line... They played better as the season wore on. Factoring in all the injuries and thusly the lack of cohesiveness, they did ok. If you put a QB back there that isn't slow, they'll look even better.

They can get some FA acquisitions to build the team up. Last year showed that theyll no longer overlay for FA's.

Hey Wellie, after two Super Bowl wins, do you give a damn about the draft picks lost to acquire Eli?
 
goldlion054 said:
Just saw the Redskins-Rams news. What a fucking Joke. No player, especially a rookie QB (of whom I'm skeptical of anyway) is worth mortgaging your teams future. The Redskins already have alot of needs, and now they likely won't be able to address them. Enjoy the bottom of the barrel for years and years Washington
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if 3 rookie players would be the difference between success and "bottom of the barrel" for the foreseeable future then the team would have sucked anyway. I would rather take the shot at getting a franchise QB. Yes, we gave up a lot, but at the end of the day it's 3 players. 3 potential ROOKIE players in the next 3 years.
 
:lol

Skins traded way more for RGIII than the Bears did for Cutler. And the 2013 pick has a good chance at being in the top 5. Amazing deal for the Rams.
 
SonnyBoy said:
Hey Wellie, after two Super Bowl wins, do you give a damn about the draft picks lost to acquire Eli?
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The Eli trade handed one additional first, a third and a fifth rounder. Not exactly two additional firsts and and a second rounder. The Giants were also in a position where if they didn't pull off the trade they wanted, they would have had to "settle" for Phillip Rivers or could pick Roofles later. Oh and teams wanted Osi as part of the deal as well. Acorsi told them to fuck off.
 
LiveWire said:
I'd rather have Rex for another year, go 2-14 and get the #1 or #2 pick and getting a top QB that way. At least we're only out 1 pick.
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Were you the one to say it was a lock that we didn't get him? It happened too bad we gave up too much sadly FUCCCKKK!!!!! Happy and dissappointed at the same time.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
if 3 rookie players would be the difference between success and "bottom of the barrel" for the foreseeable future then the team would have sucked anyway. I would rather take the shot at getting a franchise QB. Yes, we gave up a lot, but at the end of the day it's 3 players. 3 potential ROOKIE players in the next 3 years.
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If he pans out, it's worth the risk. Players will come to him/team and want to play with him. A franchise QB is worth more than just the stuff he does on the field imo.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
if 3 rookie players would be the difference between success and "bottom of the barrel" for the foreseeable future then the team would have sucked anyway. I would rather take the shot at getting a franchise QB. Yes, we gave up a lot, but at the end of the day it's 3 players. 3 potential ROOKIE players in the next 3 years.
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And this is all vs. the unlikeliness of RGIII turning into a franchise QB. So you are stuck with a bust at QB with no way to add 1st round talent to your roster in the draft for 3 years. I think it was a completely foolish move. If I'm wrong and RGIII turns out to be a stud and the Redskins make some great FA moves, I will eat crow for sure. But I'm 99% positive I won't have to and Griffin will have 3 different head coaches in a 4 year span

Regardless, Redskin fans will have something to look forward to of Madden for the first time since...... Santana Moss?
 
More breakdown of the Sachez deal:

It is a 3-year extension beyond the 2 years he already had. Source says the 3 Year Extension is for $40.5M, $13.5M per year.

The money is guaranteed for 2012 and 2013 = $27 million.

He has an additional $10M in potential escalation so the maximum value of the 3 new years is $50.5M and over the whole deal is $68.25M.

This basically guarantees Sanchez is the starting QB for the next two years at least.
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I just don't.....I mean....huh? I guess this is apology money for going after Peyton and considering NFL contracts mean fuck all anyway but....the guaranteed money!!

By comparison:

Eli Manning has four years, $55.9 million (in salaries) left on his current contract. Mark Sanchez newly extended contract will reportedly pay him $58.25 million over the next five years. ... Discuss amongst yourselves. #NYG
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goldlion054 said:
And this is all vs. the unlikeliness of RGIII turning into a franchise QB. So you are stuck with a bust at QB with no way to add 1st round talent to your roster in the draft for 3 years. I think it was a completely foolish move. If I'm wrong and RGIII turns out to be a stud and the Redskins make some great FA moves, I will eat crow for sure. But I'm 99% positive I won't have to and Griffin will have 3 different head coaches in a 4 year span
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of course it's not guaranteed that RG3 won't be a bust, but neither are those future picks. I'd say Griffin is pretty close to a "sure thing" and you can't say that about who you will be drafting 2 years from now. He's grading out super high compared the other QBs that have come out in the last 5 years.
 
Futurevoid said:
More breakdown of the Sachez deal:



I just don't.....I mean....huh? I guess this is apology money for going after Peyton and considering NFL contracts mean fuck all anyway but....the guaranteed money!!

By comparison:
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Easiest way to motivate a guy is by throwing more money at him.
 
did anyone see brees' letter to the fans?

“There is no place in the National Football League, or any sport played at any level, for players to conspire, to be coerced, or to be incentivized to intentionally injure another player,” Brees writes. “I did not participate in any Bounty program, nor did I have any knowledge relating to its real existence. I have spent the last several years as an Executive Committee Member of the NFLPA making health and safety a priority and I am proud of the advancements we’ve made and will continue to make.”
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get the fuck out of here with that double talk dude. as PFT put it, why would you need to say "its real existence"? it's just a weird term. if you didn't know about it and you're claiming you didn't know about it then a normal person would say "I had no idea this was going on, this is the first time ive ever heard about it".

“As a leader of our football team, I feel comfortable in stating that I know well the integrity of our organization from the ownership level, to management, our head coach, and the players on our team,” Brees writes. “We, as Saints players, pride ourselves on playing this game with honor and hold ourselves to a very high standard. We also share a great sense of responsibility to our community and to each other, a strong belief in our purpose, a resiliency to overcome adversity and a work ethic and commitment to leave things better than we found them.”
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lololollllllllllllllll yeah you guys are very honorable. nothing dishonorable about running up the scores to get hollow league records or having bounties to hurt players!

‘To our fans, please reserve judgment until the investigation is complete and the facts in their entirety are known,” Brees concludes. “We are all working diligently to find the truth in this matter and if the facts prove there was improper behavior, we will hold ourselves accountable. Until that time, we will stand together and remain united as an organization.”
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i've said this before and now i say it again: drew brees is a phony fucking douchebag
 
Ninja Scooter said:
of course it's not guaranteed that RG3 won't be a bust, but neither are those future picks. I'd say Griffin is pretty close to a "sure thing" and you can't say that about who you will be drafting 2 years from now. He's grading out super high compared the other QBs that have come out in the last 5 years.
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I honestly hope the best for Griffin and think he has tremendous upside and has his head in the right place. But I just don't think he will be a great NFL qb. I really hope I'm wrong, but we'll see!
 
goldlion054 said:
I honestly hope the best for Griffin and think he has tremendous upside and has his head in the right place. But I just don't think he will be a great NFL qb. I really hope I'm wrong, but we'll see!
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So do I. I'm just saying, after the last 15 years of being a Redskin fan, with only 1 or 2 years to really be excited about, I'm okay with the team taking a big swing and trying to hit a home run.
 
On the other hand, Shanny Jr thought John Beck was a 1st round talent, and Shanny felt Maroney was the best back he'd seen in years.

Who needs 1st rounders when you have those guys evaluating talent.

I shouldn't be throwing stones, I'll stop.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
So do I. I'm just saying, after the last 15 years of being a Redskin fan, with only 1 or 2 years to really be excited about, I'm okay with the team taking a big swing and trying to hit a home run.
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It's going to be fuckin exciting watching RG3. It's a lot to give up, but damn, the kid is gonna be a baller IMO
 
Now that I've caught up with the thread, we can't let this Sanchez deal get overlooked. How in the world is he being paid like that? Is the Market for QB so poor that we have resorted to paying shit disguised as an NFL QB a $40.5 Million contract extension? This world is an unjust one
 
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