NFL Off-Season Thread: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"

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If Alex Smith was halfway decent he would have won that game against the Giants. He choked hard.

He had a great game against a shit defense then sucked when he was up against a great one. He lost that game. So many opportunities to come up big only to come up small(hands).
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
and yet, despite people rabbling that newton was unfairly criticized (which he wasn't) he was still taken #1. people act like newton had no baggage and never did anything wrong. of course in hindsight it's easy to say "well he had a good year" but there were still a lot of questions on the off field stuff and i see nothing wrong with him being criticized for it
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I don't think it was wrong to at least question him on his past. The quarterback position is one that requires maturity and the ability to make good decisions under pressure. Cam was involved in things in his past (especially the laptop incident), where he didn't appear to make the grade in these areas. Any GM and scouts in the position to draft him owed it to the franchise to at least investigate and make sure he could be a professional quarterback. The talent was undeniable (the scouts were saying he was very solid in terms of mechanics) but the head needed to be checked out. Not unfair at all. Mallett went through the same thing, not quite to the same degree, but Mallett was never being looked at as a possible number one pick.
 
talisayNon said:
If Alex Smith was halfway decent he would have won that game against the Giants. He choked hard.

He had a great game against a shit defense then sucked when he was up against a great one. He lost that game. So many opportunities to come up big only to come up small(hands).
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To be fair, Tiny Hands wasn't the one who went full retard while muffing the punt.
 
You'd think Cam rolled up to Best Buy with a fucking Kalashnikov and walked out with a dozen laptops with the way these mooks behaved.

Bububub entertainer, fuck off.
 
talisayNon said:
alex smif had 5 or 6 drives before that to get it done. he didn't.
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Yeah the game was up for grabs and Alex and co. wasted a great effort from that D. The Superbowl appearance was his to take and he choked like one Ray Lewis' victims.

I am glad too because no way they beat the Pats.
 
bionic77 said:
Winning playoff games doesn't win dick unless you win a Superbowl. Or do you think Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco are elite?
Fact is Alex choked like a bitch in that game and we both know it.
A bye would not have helped up. Our injuries were too severe to heal over one week. We need younger guys and some luck late in the season. But at least we have the qb. I only wanted to win that game so I could rub it in to you, but it was not out year. Our only achievement was shitting on the Pats.
Get over it FMT. If you were some recent bandwagon fan I would expect this kind of shit talking over meaningless regular season success, but as a fan of the team with the 2nd most Superbowls you should know better. Enjoy the good times while they last (wont be long), but don't lose sight of the ultimate goal.
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gotta start somewhere! considering we went from 6-10 to a couple fluke fumbles away from the superbowl i'd say our entire team and coaching staff did well.

what have the steelers done recently? they will forever be known as the only team to lose to tim tebow in the playoffs
 
Grover Cleveland said:
I don't think it was wrong to at least question him on his past. The quarterback position is one that requires maturity and the ability to make good decisions under pressure. Cam was involved in things in his past (especially the laptop incident), where he didn't appear to make the grade in these areas. Any GM and scouts in the position to draft him owed it to the franchise to at least investigate and make sure he could be a professional quarterback. The talent was undeniable (the scouts were saying he was very solid in terms of mechanics) but the head needed to be checked out. Not unfair at all. Mallett went through the same thing, not quite to the same degree, but Mallett was never being looked at as a possible number one pick.
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that is my point. i mean what did anyone say that was wrong? i know rockwell or whatever that guys name was came off like a total asshole but just in general cam deserved to be questioned just like mallet and other guys did.

If Alex Smith was halfway decent he would have won that game against the Giants. He choked hard.

He had a great game against a shit defense then sucked when he was up against a great one. He lost that game. So many opportunities to come up big only to come up small(hands).
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guess eli manning sucks too because alex had a better QB rating and better YPA in that game. the only way eli put up any points in the 2nd half was when he was given a short field to work with.

but i can't find fault with you wanting to hate on alex. i know you want us to be in your position (great defense with a fucking pathetic QB) but unfortunately alex smith always has been and always will be superior to mark sanchez
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
but i can't find fault with you wanting to hate on alex. i know you want us to be in your position (great defense with a fucking pathetic QB) but unfortunately alex smith always has been and always will be superior to mark sanchez
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cool story bro, i want a better qb than mark sanchez, too bad you're deluded into thinking alex smif will get you somewhere. I don't care, it's not my team.
 
talisayNon said:
cool story bro, i want a better qb than mark sanchez, too bad you're deluded into thinking alex smif will get you somewhere. I don't care, it's not my team.
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alex smith already did get us somewhere: 3/1 TD/INT ratio, 13-3 record, #2 seed, a home playoff win. sanchez has never done any of that nor will he ever.

i know it's hard to admit that alex had a really good season because all you know of him is the 6 years previous but the fact is he had a really good season and it's even more impressive when you realize this was an entirely new coaching staff and we had no WR's
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
alex smith already did get us somewhere: 3/1 TD/INT ratio, 13-3 record, #2 seed, a home playoff win. sanchez has never done any of that nor will he ever.

i know it's hard to admit that alex had a really good season because all you know of him is the 6 years previous but the fact is he had a really good season and it's even more impressive when you realize this was an entirely new coaching staff and we had no WR's
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It's going to even look even better after next year.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
gotta start somewhere! considering we went from 6-10 to a couple fluke fumbles away from the superbowl i'd say our entire team and coaching staff did well.

what have the steelers done recently? they will forever be known as the only team to lose to tim tebow in the playoffs
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It was an honor to lose to Tim. I don't know if you godless SoCal heathens will ever understand that.

Also don't assume last season carries over to next.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
alex smith already did get us somewhere: 3/1 TD/INT ratio, 13-3 record, #2 seed, a home playoff win. sanchez has never done any of that nor will he ever.

i know it's hard to admit that alex had a really good season because all you know of him is the 6 years previous but the fact is he had a really good season and it's even more impressive when you realize this was an entirely new coaching staff and we had no WR's
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The new coaching staff isn't a good excuse when you play as conservatively as the Niners do on offense. He knew the players he had going in and used a simple control clock strategy that didn't ask overly much of Smith. It was clearly effective so I'm not trying to knock it, but it's a stretch to say some big new system was installed and the players had to fight to grasp it. I will certainly give you the WR argument though. It's a testament to your D and ST that you made it so far with Smith and no proper weapons outside Davis and Gore. Well, plenty of credit goes to the coach for simplifying the offense so Smith wouldn't fuck the team over.
 
Buckethead said:
What say you Slo?
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Look at that all star cast! Looks just like the Colts list of castaways!

Cedric has torn both ACLs in the last two years and refuses to play within the Cover 2 system, and has been completely unhappy here. Losing him is no surprise.

Hutch is done. He's been injured and underperformed both of the last few seasons. I wish him well, he's been a good Viking and worth the money we gave him.

Herrera is a decent plug in guy that's probably an ideal 6th man on any OLine, exactly the kind of guy the Vikes need. Kind of surprised that we let him go.
 
Slo said:
Look at that all star cast! Looks just like the Colts list of castaways!

Cedric has torn both ACLs in the last two years and refuses to play within the Cover 2 system, and has been completely unhappy here. Losing him is no surprise.

Hutch is done. He's been injured and underperformed both of the last few seasons. I wish him well, he's been a good Viking and worth the money we gave him.

Herrera is a decent plug in guy that's probably an ideal 6th man on any OLine, exactly the kind of guy the Vikes need. Kind of surprised that we let him go.
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Are they going to push for Nicks? Him and Kalil would be something. Too bad AP almost had his leg amputated :(
 
Squall ASF said:
The new coaching staff isn't a good excuse when you play as conservatively as the Niners do on offense. He knew the players he had going in and used a simple control clock strategy that didn't ask overly much of Smith. It was clearly effective so I'm not trying to knock it, but it's a stretch to say some big new system was installed and the players had to fight to grasp it. I will certainly give you the WR argument though. It's a testament to your D and ST that you made it so far with Smith and no proper weapons outside Davis and Gore. Well, plenty of credit goes to the coach for simplifying the offense so Smith wouldn't fuck the team over.
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alex smith had 5 game winning TD drives in the 4th quarter last year. like i told you a few days ago, our offense does what it is asked to do. no one is debating that we played conservative but as you saw (or maybe didn't see) throughout the season, our offense can move the ball when it needs to.

our main issue was redzone offense. we were really hurt when braylon went down because we were basically stuck with receivers that are all 6'0 and under. there was no threat of the fade or lob and so teams were just able to crowd us and not have to commit people.

alex smith isn't a top 10 qb. he is a borderline top 15 qb. he misses the deep throws quite a bit (particularly to the left side line.... although he hit the one late against the saints), he doesn't take many chances unless he is backed into a corner (final drive of the game or something), he is sometimes inaccurate on ball placement.

what alex smith IS is athletic, he can make plays with his legs, when he gets into a grove he can move the ball well, he doesn't throw picks, he doesn't fumble, he has a really good grasp of the offense and is a good leader. he is also pretty clearly the best QB in the NFC west (unless peypey lands on the cards or chickens). if he leaves in FA then so be it
 
Dan Pompei from the Chicago Tribune is starting the Chicago media hype for Mario Williams in navy blue and orange. Story here.

If the Bears were going to spend big money in free agency, i rather them go after Williams than Moose Muhammad 2.0 Vincent Jackson.

Can't wait for FA to start.
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
alex smith had 5 game winning TD drives in the 4th quarter last year. like i told you a few days ago, our offense does what it is asked to do. no one is debating that we played conservative but as you saw (or maybe didn't see) throughout the season, our offense can move the ball when it needs to.

our main issue was redzone offense. we were really hurt when braylon went down because we were basically stuck with receivers that are all 6'0 and under. there was no threat of the fade or lob and so teams were just able to crowd us and not have to commit people.

alex smith isn't a top 10 qb. he is a borderline top 15 qb. he misses the deep throws quite a bit (particularly to the left side line.... although he hit the one late against the saints), he doesn't take many chances unless he is backed into a corner (final drive of the game or something), he is sometimes inaccurate on ball placement.

what alex smith IS is athletic, he can make plays with his legs, when he gets into a grove he can move the ball well, he doesn't throw picks, he doesn't fumble, he has a really good grasp of the offense and is a good leader. he is also pretty clearly the best QB in the NFC west (unless peypey lands on the cards or chickens). if he leaves in FA then so be it
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That's true, red zone is your main weakness and maybe if you get legit WR's that would change. From what I've seen it just seems that if your running game was shut out, Smith isn't capable of elevating his game to make enough big plays to slug it out with other contenders. If Smith was that good you should be able to have more success in the red zone than you do with Gore and Davis. Look at who we had at QB and then we basically had Beanie (who most fans outside of Cards fans don't respect) and Fitz. We didn't have great WR threats outside Fitz which makes it easy to swarm him defensively and according to you in a previous post, we supposedly have no TE threat so how did we more success in the red zone? Smith can make plays here or there but he just doesn't get it done. Every other element of your team outside of QB and WR is what allows you to win without having to load up on TD's. That's nice for you fans because you can basically plug in just about any QB and have success. Still don't speak well for Smith. If you guys get some decent WR's and he turns things around, I'll much of it back.
 
Squall ASF said:
That's true, red zone is your main weakness and maybe if you get legit WR's that would change. From what I've seen it just seems that if your running game was shut out, Smith isn't capable of elevating his game to make enough big plays to slug it out with other contenders. If Smith was that good you should be able to have more success in the red zone than you do with Gore and Davis. Look at who we had at QB and then we basically had Beanie (who most fans outside of Cards fans don't respect) and Fitz. We didn't have great WR threats outside Fitz which makes it easy to swarm him defensively and according to you in a previous post, we supposedly have no TE threat so how did we more success in the red zone? Smith can make plays here or there but he just doesn't get it done. Every other element of your team outside of QB and WR is what allows you to win without having to load up on TD's. That's nice for you fans because you can basically plug in just about any QB and have success. Still don't speak well for Smith. If you guys get some decent WR's and he turns things around, I'll much of it back.
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are you fucking kidding me? "We don't have anyone except for one of the 2 best WR's in the league to help us in the redzone.... nothing more than that though!"

and if smith was "that good"? that good as what? i already said he's not a top QB. saying he's the best QB in the NFC West isn't really saying much since the qb's on the cards/rams/seachickens are pretty horrible
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
are you fucking kidding me? "We don't have anyone except for one of the 2 best WR's in the league to help us in the redzone.... nothing more than that though!"

and if smith was "that good"? that good as what? i already said he's not a top QB. saying he's the best QB in the NFC West isn't really saying much since the qb's on the cards/rams/seachickens are pretty horrible
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Kolb and Bradford are better than A-Smi
 
FrenchMovieTheme said:
are you fucking kidding me? "We don't have anyone except for one of the 2 best WR's in the league to help us in the redzone.... nothing more than that though!"

and if smith was "that good"? that good as what? i already said he's not a top QB. saying he's the best QB in the NFC West isn't really saying much since the qb's on the cards/rams/seachickens are pretty horrible
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Two? Fitz is one. Vernon Davis is no Fitz but he's plenty talented enough to put points on the board. Gore is enough of a running threat to keep the defense honest. You have just as many weapons in that regard, enough to not fail so horribly in the red zone.

I don't agree that Smith is the best in our division, you just have a better OL.
 
Wow just found out about the Skins Rams trade.

Don't know what to think but god oh god now I hope this backfires on the Skins. Hopefully RG3 is a monumental bust and they have fucked their franchise over for the next 3-5 seasons.

Rams better hope Bradford works out. They have enough picks and options to upgrade the talent around him.
 
Alligatorjandro said:
for shame
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Squall ASF said:
Two? Fitz is one. Vernon Davis is no Fitz but he's plenty talented enough to put points on the board. Gore is enough of a running threat to keep the defense honest. You have just as many weapons in that regard, enough to not fail so horribly in the red zone.

I don't agree that Smith is the best in our division, you just have a better OL.
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if we have the best offensive line in the division then our division has the top 4 worst offensive lines in the league
 
eznark said:
The house I am renting is right across te street from the stadium. Are their offices there? I might head over there tonight after the hockey game and heckle!
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Considering the time frame I imagine they will just go out to dinner tonight and do the facility tour tomorrow. That's what would make the most sense to me. If I had more head notice I'd have driven up to Phoenix and bought you a beer. I live a little under 3 hrs from Phoenix but my father lives there so I'd have a place to crash. Hope your business is going well.

FrenchMovieTheme said:
if we have the best offensive line in the division then our division has the top 4 worst offensive lines in the league
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Have you looked up Levi Brown???
 
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