SteveWinwood
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Yeah, and it could have been less.
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Wkd Box Office Est. 039-1112 - Lorax punches Carter in his waxed & oiled thorax
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Glad, you've seen it and can give your review.
Transformers 4
No, no.
The Avengers is Transformers 4.
Battleship is Transformers 5.
Hero_of_the_Day
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You realize studios don't get all of the box office money right?
Don't they get the vast majority of it? I thought theaters got very little off actual ticket sales?
Also, what is this about it needing 500 million to make a profit? Where is this coming from?
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3390&p=.htm
The movie released in all major territories except Japan. It won´t reach 300 million internationally. I don´t even think it will reach 200 million overseas, especially when there are big movies releasing soon like The Hunger Games and Wrath of the Titans.
I said best case scenario. Thor had basically the same kind of worldwide opening, grossing 80 instead of 70, and ended up with 268m overseas. Though John Carter probably won't have legs like Thor.
It needs to make 500-600 million to break even, and that is if the budget is 250$ million, not more.
Wait..how so? Am I missing something? Are you just factoring in marketing?
NeoGAF needs to stop saying BOMBA.
It stopped being clever after the first five seconds of hearty chuckling.
Sucks for John Carter though. I doubt word of mouth will give it legs.
Even if it doesn't quite make 200 million overseas, as long as the worldwide gross totals 250 million (Disney's reported budget), they will claim that they're in the green even before they start counting their merchandising and eventual DVD receipts. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they managed to justify a sequel out of those numbers.
Don't tell that to gaming side...
Don't they get the vast majority of it? I thought theaters got very little off actual ticket sales?
Also, what is this about it needing 500 million to make a profit? Where is this coming from?
General rule of thumb is a movie needs to gross double its budget to break even. But it doesn't always work like that. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was a failure for Warner Bros. and lost them money despite doing gangbusters at the box office. Then there's also merchandising and home video to take into consideration. Either way, no way in hell John Carter is seen as a success by anyone at Disney.
30 million is very bad domestically.
I agree. The WW take is less bad, which is what I was specifically talking about.
While the foreign box office helps films that would otherwise be mega bombs, JC is still probably going to be a big loss for the studio. It might make its production budget back in WW depending on the legs, but there's still the significant marketing budget to think about as well.
Not quite as big a bomba as something like How Do You Know.
I did not say it would be a success. I said it was not the "unmitigated failure" it was thought to be. I expect it will still lose a great deal during its theatrical run. Still a poor performance relative to its budget, but not the kind of disaster I was expecting based on the industry chatter.
General rule of thumb is a movie needs to gross double its budget to break even. But it doesn't always work like that. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was a failure for Warner Bros. and lost them money despite doing gangbusters at the box office.
Eh... I think there's a big difference between what's considered profitable in the practical sense and what highly paid creative accountants claim when it comes time for taxes and profit sharing.
General rule of thumb is a movie needs to gross double its budget to break even. But it doesn't always work like that. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was a failure for Warner Bros. and lost them money despite doing gangbusters at the box office. Then there's also merchandising and home video to take into consideration. Either way, no way in hell John Carter is seen as a success by anyone at Disney.
Carter or Green Lantern? I'd say Lantern was a bigger bomb
DevelopmentArrested
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Yeah, and it could have been less.
Well no shit.
General rule of thumb is a movie needs to gross double its budget to break even. But it doesn't always work like that. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was a failure for Warner Bros. and lost them money despite doing gangbusters at the box office. Then there's also merchandising and home video to take into consideration. Either way, no way in hell John Carter is seen as a success by anyone at Disney.
Pretty sure Warner saying Order of the Phoenix losing money was complete bullshit and only trying to fuck over those getting a percent on the back end. It was complete accounting bullshit.
Even if it doesn't quite make 200 million overseas, as long as the worldwide gross totals 250 million (Disney's reported budget), they will claim that they're in the green even before they start counting their merchandising and eventual DVD receipts.
No.
In fact that is wildly inaccurate on almost every conceivable level.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if they managed to justify a sequel out of those numbers.
You would literally be the only one. And I include Stanton and all Disney employees in that as well.
Neuromancer
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Why did JC do better internationally? Less horrendous advertising?
cr_blah_blah
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I thought John Carter was a boring political movie based off its title alone and have never sought to see anything about it. I just expected an old white guy on the cover. Dreadful name.
DevelopmentArrested
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Man where did the good movies go?
21 Jump Street next week, supposed to be great.
Wait..how so? Am I missing something? Are you just factoring in marketing?
Studios don't get 100% of box office receipts. They get more like 50%. But yes, then you also have to account for marketing on top of that.
Why did JC do better internationally? Less horrendous advertising?
Well Japan had the better trailer of any that were released. And here lately, international viewers seem to be buoying what would otherwise be bad films. Still looking at you On Stranger Tides.
Phoenician_Viking
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Wait..how so? Am I missing something? Are you just factoring in marketing?
Yes, marketing does not exist in a vaccum, and the fact that studios take much less from international markets (around 66-75% IIRC from total growth) than domestic markets.
No.
In fact that is wildly inaccurate on almost every conceivable level.
You would literally be the only one. And I include Stanton and all Disney employees in that as well.
I'm going off last year's Tron, which barely broke even (without factoring in marketing). Claimed to be successful, and they've gone on to reportedly green light a third.
Way to be a condescending douche though. Let me know if you want to actually have a discussion about it. I'm ok with being incorrect.
Studios don't get 100% of box office receipts. They get more like 50%. But yes, then you also have to account for marketing on top of that.
Yes, marketing does not exist in a vaccum, and the fact that studios take much less from international markets (around 66-75% IIRC from total growth) than domestic markets.
Ahh, I see. Thanks. I've heard that a lot of times, studios with borderline flops claim they were profitable by failing to report marketing in the film's final budget. Am I right? I know that's just a publicity thing, but I could see Disney spinning it that way.
Expendable.
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Nothing is as bad as GAF's painful, forced, cringe-worthy attempts at making "Ghotocal" happen.
Jesus, you guys...
Ghotocol is just me, not GAF. I started it back when the title first got announced. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
And it's happening.
Man where did the good movies go?
There are a few GREAT movies in theaters now: This Is Not A Film, A Separation, The Secret World of Arrietty and the hilarious 21 Jump Street arrives next week.
TheKaeptain
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Pretty much every guy I know wants to see Battleship.
I don't know anyone that gives a shit about it.
Everyone I know just wants to see The Avengers, TDKR, and Prometheus. That's all anyone I know wants to watch this summer. In fact I am willing to say it doesn't make that much. Barely budget back and one week in the top five. Avengers is going eat into its audiences and MiB3 is going to do the same.
I just realized that the weekends of Spidey's release and of TDKR's release are going to be awesome. There is absolutely nothing else coming out in those two weeks but those two movies.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I know that a lot of people in the other thread actually really enjoyed JC, and for that, I'm glad. I want anyone spending their hard-earned money to enjoy their purchase. So I don't mean this as an argument, or to start a war, or as a troll. But IMO, out of the 50+ movies I've watched in theaters in the last year, John Carter might have been the single most boring out of all of them. I really thought the bad advertising was just that... bad advertising. But IMO, the film itself was no better. Everyone in my group agreed - both family and friends; young and old.
The word of mouth isn't going to save it.
The word of mouth isn't going to save it.
MrPink93485
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I'm going off last year's Tron, which barely broke even (without factoring in marketing). Claimed to be successful, and they've gone on to reportedly green light a third.
Way to be a condescending douche though. Let me know if you want to actually have a discussion about it. I'm ok with being incorrect.
Thanks. Although a lot of times, studios with borderline flops claim they were profitable by failing to report marketing in the film's final budget. Am I right? I know that's just a publicity thing, but I could see Disney spinning it that way.
Well, Tron made 400 million, and it cost at minimum, 80 million less to make than John Carter, so I don't think this is a comparable situation.
Phoenician_Viking
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21 Jump Street next week, supposed to be great.
Yep, i read that in BOM´s March review. The critics are liking it, and there is also a good buzz about the movie.
I have not read anything about that. Disney cannot spin it because these kind of things will show up on the company´s quarterly financial report.Ahh, I see. Thanks. I've heard that a lot of times, studios with borderline flops claim they were profitable by failing to report marketing in the film's final budget. Am I right? I know that's just a publicity thing, but I could see Disney spinning it that way.
Glad, you've seen it and can give your review.
True. But I have read the shooting script and it is, without exception, the very worst 'studio level' script I have EVER read.
Hence my atomic powered hatred for the whole endevour that burns hotter than the Sun itself.
Eh... I think there's a big difference between what's considered profitable in the practical sense and what highly paid creative accountants claim when it comes time for taxes and profit sharing.
Summed up perfectly. This practice has been going on since Hollywood was Hollywoodland.
Carter or Green Lantern? I'd say Lantern was a bigger bomb
Green Lantern was a colossal disappointment for WB but nowhere near as bad as John Carter.
It's early days for John Carter but it may yet prove to be the biggest money loser showbiz has ever seen.
I'm going off last year's Tron, which barely broke even (without factoring in marketing). Claimed to be successful, and they've gone on to reportedly green light a third.
Way to be a condescending douche though. Let me know if you want to actually have a discussion about it. I'm ok with being incorrect.
First off apologies for coming off so dickish. I was preparing to go head to head against a 'Pink Dagger' style JC fanboy. Sorry about that.
The rough rule of thumb for film grosses at the box office is the studio splitting the final gross of a film 50/50 with the theatre that showed it. It's a little more involved than that because the theatre actually rents the print of the film from the studio but that's how it works. Others go into the process/business in more detail in the thread.
As for Tron 3 Disney haven't green lit the film but they have hired a writer to pen a script. At this point I'd have said that a Tron reboot is more likely than an actual sequel.
Ok, so basically what I'm getting is that they're fucked at this point no matter what they do.
Honestly, the film doesn't deserve a whole lot better. At 150 million, I would've said what ended up on screen justified the budget..but not at 300+. I have no idea where that money went.
Anyone have any idea what Staton's fate will be? John Carter isn't just going to disappoint financially..critics didn't like it either. It delivered on nothing the studio expected from him.
Honestly, the film doesn't deserve a whole lot better. At 150 million, I would've said what ended up on screen justified the budget..but not at 300+. I have no idea where that money went.
Anyone have any idea what Staton's fate will be? John Carter isn't just going to disappoint financially..critics didn't like it either. It delivered on nothing the studio expected from him.
DevelopmentArrested
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Ghotocol is just me, not GAF. I started it back when the title first got announced. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
And it's happening.
You made it a hot line, they made it a hot song
twinturbo2
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NeoGAF needs to stop saying BOMBA.
It stopped being clever after the first five seconds of hearty chuckling.
Don't tell that to Wario. He probably doesn't want to hear it.
Don't tell that to Wario. He probably doesn't want to hear it.
He has to hear it from someone.
And we've decided that you're the one to tell him.
Good luck.
MrPink93485
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Ok, so basically what I'm getting is that they're fucked at this point no matter what they do.
Honestly, the film doesn't deserve a whole lot better. At 150 million, I would've said what ended up on screen justified the budget..but not at 300+. I have no idea where that money went.
Barring some crazy Avatar like legs, yes.
SteveWinwood
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True. But I have read the shooting script and it is, without exception, the very worst 'studio level' script I have EVER read.
Hence my atomic powered hatred for the whole endevour that burns hotter than the Sun itself.
Fair enough. Yeah, it looks like complete shit, and has Rihanna (ew), but just a peeve of mine when people write stuff off when we've seen like 2 trailers.
RukusProvider
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Battleship has Liam Neesom. Ofcourse, I'm gonna go see.
Nice to see John Carter bomb. Good job Eddie Murphy on scamming Paramount out of money. He certainly has atleast 1 talent.
Nice to see John Carter bomb. Good job Eddie Murphy on scamming Paramount out of money. He certainly has atleast 1 talent.
TheKaeptain
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Battleship has Liam Neesom. Ofcourse, I'm gonna go see.
Nice to see John Carter bomb. Good job Eddie Murphy on scamming Paramount out of money. He certainly has atleast 1 talent.
Dude Neeson dies right off the bat. It's like the whole point of the movie. He dies and the young captain is left in charge. It's in the damn trailer. It's the only thing the trailer tells us about the movie.
Dude Neeson dies right off the bat. It's like the whole point of the movie. He dies and the young captain is left in charge. It's in the damn trailer. It's the only thing the trailer tells us about the movie.
I just remembered John Carter is that young captain LOL. Oh man, that guy
VeryGooster
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Rotten Tomatoes said:Dated jokes (A Thousand Words was shot in 2008)
Eddie Murphy sure gets shelved a lot.
Ok, so basically what I'm getting is that they're fucked at this point no matter what they do.
Honestly, the film doesn't deserve a whole lot better. At 150 million, I would've said what ended up on screen justified the budget..but not at 300+. I have no idea where that money went.
Anyone have any idea what Staton's fate will be? John Carter isn't just going to disappoint financially..critics didn't like it either. It delivered on nothing the studio expected from him.
He'll go back to making animated films
how is The Lorax? The trailers make it look kinda fun, but on the other hand, the RT score is well below even Horton Hears a Who
Average. Not as good as Horton. I doubt you'll actively dislike it, but it's not a cream of the crop animated film, either.
TheKaeptain
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Lol you're right.I just remembered John Carter is that young captain LOL. Oh man, that guy
ryutaro's mama
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So $6 million dollars worth of business wanted to watch Eddie Murphy play charades for 90 minutes?
GJ, America.
GJ, America.
Phoenician_Viking
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Best news i read this week is that there is a sequel for Cloudy with a chance of meatballs . It´s called Cloudy 2: Revenge of the Leftovers and it´s coming in 12/20/13. Yessssss. I really was surprised of how good was Cloudy with a chance of meatballs .
James Woods
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Gonna watch Battleship. If that doesn't do well this Kitsch fuck I've been hearing about is toast. Two big budget flops? Whichever producer he let fuck him can't save him.
Average. Not as good as Horton. I doubt you'll actively dislike it, but it's not a cream of the crop animated film, either.
ah, thanks, guess I'll just skip that one then
Best news i read this week is that there is a sequel for Cloudy with a chance of meatballs . It´s called Cloudy 2: Revenge of the Leftovers and it´s coming in 12/20/13. Yessssss. I really was surprised of how good was Cloudy with a chance of meatballs .
this is seriously great news, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs is amazing.
Best news i read this week is that there is a sequel for Cloudy with a chance of meatballs . It´s called Cloudy 2: Revenge of the Leftovers and it´s coming in 12/20/13. Yessssss. I really was surprised of how good was Cloudy with a chance of meatballs .
ah, thanks, guess I'll just skip that one then
this is seriously great news, Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs is amazing.
It isnt by the same people. so pretty meh news.
polyh3dron
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John Carter is not a good movie.
John Carter is a good movie.
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