I think it's just a little forshadowing, and feigning ignorance.
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I think it's just a little forshadowing, and feigning ignorance.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Nah he was just crazy. It had nothing to do with him turning into a zombie.That didn't happen until after he died, like Randell.
ryutaro's mama
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Naw, I think he was "playing dumb" because Shane was there. Shane was not stable enough to be trusted with that information.
Think about it, if the CDC guy did in fact tell him that
everyone is already infected
He even hinted at that type of thinking when he was talking to Hershel in the bar. Something about making choices and doing things for the benefit of the others in the group--to give them hope.
Lord_Byron28
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Or that his best friend was just shot and that normally no one turns into a zombie that quickly.
That's not what I meant, see above.
Maybe...
but I can't imagine rick putting the entire group in danger in the name of some weird psychological theory about Shane.
It's just as likely the guy said, "your wife is pregnant" implying she cheated on him or that he'd have to protect a baby in the middle of hell, but he "played dumb" or that the guy said something we haven't been exposed to yet.
If it ends up being that rick knew, that dialogue with the cops is clunky and confusing to the audience. No reason to create confusion and waste time with him explaining some flimsy reasoning... not to say the show is incapable of that :/
If he was playing
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
Maybe he doesn't want anyone else to know? It could break some of the group's hope and dismantle them further. Rick is the sort of guy who would probably try to keep hope alive for the group.
Maybe, but that doesn't make the writing less clunky.
I imagine, the CDC guy said that or he said "your wife is pregnant" and then all the writers from that episode got fired.
ryutaro's mama
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Not really.
The CDC dude did take samples from everyone before they came in.
This theory has some weight.
If I'm going with my theory, I say he was still in the denial phase but those two dead security guys were the first trigger that would lead him to reconsider whether or not there could have been some real truth to Jenner's words.
And now after seeing Shane reanimate essentially right before his eyes without ever being infected probably all but confirms the truth in Rick's mind.
Also, I believe the season finale next week will end with Rick's famous line from the comic book:
"We are the Walking Dead."
Would be a perfectly epic way to send Season 2 off and drive the anticipation of the audience for Season 3.
shadyspace
Banned
I don't see why they becoming zombies after death regardless of the manner in which they died, really matters. So somebody has a heart attack and you have to stab them in the head instead of putting them right in the ground. Big deal. It's one extra step.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
Seems to me they are ignoring almost everything about season 1. No mention of the CDC,The father and son(jones?)from the pilot . Hell Daryl never mention his own brother,Merle.
What?
Merle was in episode 5 of this season. Live action in a hallucination/dream. Daryl is not the one to talk about his feelings...
ryutaro's mama
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It's not all that confusing to the audience if you buy into the fact that Rick has "need to know" information and the rest of the group didn't need to know it for their own sake.
Think about this: Beth was trying to off herself out of just sheer despair of the situation of the world. If Rick shared info like that, there would be a lot more than would join her mindset.
Also, I think
Lori's unborn child
born immune/virus free
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Nothing really happened in season 1. Chances are CDC will be mentioned next episode and Daryls brother had a whole episode based around him sort of.
Well, the implications of
everyone already being infected
It adds an entire extra layer of "no hope" that usually doesn't come with your standard, run of the mill post-apocalyptic scenarios.
themadcowtipper
Smells faintly of rancid stilton.
relised that after posting,even though it was adream, other two points stand.
Also wasn't that filmed before the new showrunner took over. That was more of my point that they are ignoring everythinh Frank D , had a hand in.
CF_Fighter
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Dat Bear McCreary score! Makes me miss BSG, especially that opening scene.
I don't think you understand what I mean.
To have the main character of your show, spend a scene of an episode puzzling over why 2 zombies were able to become zombies is fine. To later reveal that he secretly knew, and brought it up to shane, but pretended not to not know why is just going to create needless conversation in an episode if they wish to address it. Writing your way out of that is clunky and boring. Not addressing it would be clunky and create holes.
It's just a weird decision to make as a writer. It distracts from the story and focuses on details that don't matter or effect any of the characters on the show.
Not saying they won't go that way, just saying it's gonna eithe rmake rick look stupid or it's going to be some really clunky dialogue to explain.
"I knew, but I had to lie to protect everyone. I even brought it up to shane once, and if he were alive ya'll would care, but I pretended to not know, because I had figured he couldn't handle that kind of info."
Riveting shit. why bother?
Not really. Andrea has mentioned Dale depriving her of her chance to kill herself multiple times this season, which indirectly makes you remember the CDC each time. What's there to say about the CDC until the next few episodes?
ryutaro's mama
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I see what you're saying and I think that the reason that it's clunky to you is because it was expository, mostly for the benefit of the viewing audience, so tonight's episode wasn't a ton of bricks getting dropped.
As far as Rick's character saying this to Shane, who knows? After that skirmish, he could have been testing the water to plant the seed in Shane's head for a later reveal if he felt Shane was gonna become a team player and could be trusted as the deputy of the group again.
Dropping clues to ease him into the reveal at some point down the road.
Rick potentially keeping his cards close to his chest wasn't that bothersome to me.
*shrugs*
Night_Trekker
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In the end, I actually really felt sorry for Randall. We never got to find out what kind of character he was...
His entire point of existence was to be Solid Snake'd by Shane so that Rick could be isolated from the group in a premeditated attempt by Shane to reclaim his position as the alpha of the group.
Poor kid.
I don't know, man. I got the strong feeling he was lying when he said he took no part in the kind of things his people did to other survivors, especially based on what he said right before he died. Randall always seemed nervous, and he was always changing his story. (Not a coincidence that Dave and Tony also lied through their teeth in the bar.) He came across as cowardly and weak-willed, someone who fell in with Tony and Dave's group out of necessity but who went along with what they did. (Maybe because he was afraid of being kicked out of the group. But he did it anyway.)
I'm not saying it couldn't be the case from a fiction standpoint. I just don't know how you explain it cleanly on a TV show.
werd. I thought he seemed like a weasely cunt near the end. We'll probably never know, but they definitely left that door open.
Shane is dead, why would this needless conversation exist? . You're assuming Shane had a reason to doubt the scratches and then told other people off camera he only saw scratches.
No, I'm assuming that the audience (us) will wonder why rick lied. If they don't explain it, it makes rick look stupid or forgetful. Either situation is clunky.
The fact that Shane is dead, and the conversation wont happen (not naturally) is what I'm getting at. Rick is going to sound like a fucking weirdo to people who remember that conversation. I'm not the first person in this thread to say it.
I think spending the whole season not telling anyone what Jenner allegedly said overshadows lying to one person about it during the course.
Not wanting to tell people yet and lying to a person that got close makes absolute sense.
GhettoGamer
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Agree 100%, he really gave off red flags, when he told Daryl that his group raped 2 girls in front of thier father, and then say they have women and children in their group. Then tonite when him and shane was in the woods he said something like "the guys in my group are crazy, you will fit right in".
I agree. That doesn't suddenly make it artful though. That wouldn't fly on a better show. Character knowledge can't be that fluid or we have meta conversations like this and break our suspension of disbelief.
So, we get (best case) rick tells the group, they get mad that he kept the info from them, the conversation with shane is never addressed and we'll always have one weird clunky scene in one episode.
The sorta shit I remember from Lost S6.
RatskyWatsky
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Crazy episode. Bye Shane!
GhettoGamer
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I think Darly and Glen probably put 2 and 2 togather when they killed zombie randall and didnt see any bite marks
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
What are the chances the group is led by the Governor? Since they did cast him already why not start to set it up for season 3.
terrdactycalsrock
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It certainly seemed like they figured something out. But I think they figured out that Shane was setting them all up because of how Randell's neck was broken
Of course. This has nothing to do with the discussion though...
Pretty high at this point I suspect.
PhoenixDark
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Good ep, dunno how I feel about the ending. I knew Shane died thanks to looking up a spoiler, but I'm still bummed. Team Shane till I die
It seemed pretty ridiculous that Carl found them in the woods. At first I thought it was a dream sequence or something
It seemed pretty ridiculous that Carl found them in the woods. At first I thought it was a dream sequence or something
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Yeah Carl popping up out of no where was odd. Guess the only reason they did it was because of the comic.
Someone earlier in the thread pointed out that Carl had been looking out the window at a feild like that with binoculars earlier in the episode for seemingly no reason. Works for me.
Oldschoolgamer
The physical form of blasphemy
I'm pretty sure Randall basically told Shane that he's prone to snitching if he's feeling nervous, not to mention him telling Darryl that they rape women without conscious. He sealed his fate a long time ago.
As pointed out, he was looking at that exact area with binoculars the entire time, keeping watch.
As pointed out, he was looking at that exact area with binoculars the entire time, keeping watch.
PhoenixDark
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And why would Shane plan to murder Rick within direct vision distance of the farm lol. He knew there were lookouts
ryutaro's mama
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Well, you are a fan of LeBron, the ultimate beta male, so I guess this makes total sense.
terrdactycalsrock
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"Good a spot as any"
dude was crazy and probably thought with the fog and it being night he wouldnt get scene, I dont know
ryutaro's mama
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Shane never intended to kill Rick, imo.
He wanted to goad Rick into killing him.
That's why he was saying all that shit about being a better husband, protector, father than him.
He wanted Rick to draw on him.
I dunno. I don't think any part of his plan made sense really. Turns out that crazy bastard was crazy?
But yeah, I dunno. It's pretty silly.
I agree. I think it felt like he was torn between wanting to kill rick and to just be done. He could have killed rick, but he lowered his gun and talked shit instead. We'll never know for sure, but I think Lori saying the babie might be his and all that shit was it. Shane needed to resolve everything, one way or the other
Rick basically called him on it as he killed him too.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Everything died? Some of the shit on this show is so fucking odd.
Well, phones... I don't know who you'd call. GPS fair point. Walkie talkies... they had some, I'm guessing they still do but power...
The funny one is time.
In the comics, they always go on and on about how it's weird not knowing what day it is. In a letters segment, someone pointed out how like, EVERY digital device has the date, and Kirkman straight up admitted it was a dumb oversight on his part.
terrdactycalsrock
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Do we have a time line of events in terms of like how many months or years its been after the initial breakout or even when the show began?
Lionel Mandrake
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smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
This shot reminds me of Lost with Jack and Locke.
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