terrdactycalsrock
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I've heard this on the talking dead and its an entertaining idea, but why would Shane want to be dead? Or if he did just want to die why not just commit suicide?
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I've heard this on the talking dead and its an entertaining idea, but why would Shane want to be dead? Or if he did just want to die why not just commit suicide?
layers man, layers.
Shane was a complex dude.
He wanted to kill rick. He hated himself for wanting to kill rick.
ryutaro's mama
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Who knows?
Absolution at the hands of your "brother"?
What we do know is that Shane had no intention of killing Rick no matter what because if he did, he would have just capped him and then rattled off his spiel as Rick bled out.
Shane wanted something to happen.
There's not clunky. It's just a foreshadow.
All he needs to explain is why he kept it for everybody, and it will include him lying to Shane and lying to everyone else by omission.
Night_Trekker
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Here's something small I might have missed last week: didn't Carl drop the gun when the zombie attacked him on the riverbank? I'm almost certain he didn't pick it up. (Or did he?) If he dropped it, are we to assume he went back and got it off-screen?
1) They did have police walkie-talkies in the first season. Rick broadcasted to Morgan (or maybe nobody, we don't know if Morgan and his son are still alive... worst writing ever if they're dead) over the walkie-talkie a few times. I assume Rick is out of range now and that's why he hasn't tried again recently.
As for why they haven't found or looked for more now? I will guess: the script says so.
2) Would cell phone networks be able to run themselves if almost everyone was dead? (Serious question. I assume they might be up for a while, but I don't know details about how cell phone networks run. I assume it's more complicated than I think it is.)
3) I don't know for sure. I know GPS devices need functioning satellites to work, but I don't know anything about them other than that.
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.
1) They did have police walkie-talkies in the first season. Rick broadcasted to Morgan (or maybe nobody, we don't know if Morgan and his son are still alive... worst writing ever if they're dead) over the walkie-talkie a few times. I assume Rick is out of range now and that's why he hasn't tried again recently.
As for why they haven't found or looked for more now? I will guess: the script says so.
2) Would cell phone networks be able to run themselves if almost everyone was dead? (Serious question. I assume they might be up for a while, but I don't know details about how cell phone networks run. I assume it's more complicated than I think it is.)
3) I don't know for sure. I know GPS devices need functioning satellites to work, but I don't know anything about them other than that.
Yeah, that's what I'm wondering.
He didn't lie to shane. He pointed it out to shane and asked shane about it. These aren't the actions of a man trying to keep a secret form a crazy person. It's been gone over and over. We'll just agree to disagree, because we're going in circles.
If it makes you feel better, ya'll are probably right and they will go through with it that way
I wondered the same thing
I disagree.
He directly said he didn't want to kill an unarmed man and Rick continuing to act like he was yielding threw him off.
Rick was saying he was going to give him another chance, again. Rick saved his life despite heat not a few days earlier. As he was reaching to take away Shanes gun to make both unarmed, he stabbed him.
Cell phone towers need power. So they should still be working relatively still unless power was cut and the back up gens haven't died.
I use to design the sites for a few carriers. Basically it has a main power source with a back up generator.
So in theory it would still be up for a bit. GPS would work fine as long as you had access to charge your unit.
I use to design the sites for a few carriers. Basically it has a main power source with a back up generator.
So in theory it would still be up for a bit. GPS would work fine as long as you had access to charge your unit.
subtext. think about that for a second.
Also, did he say that? Watched it twice and missed it both times. Weird, because he definitely killed an unarmed guy a few hours earlier. Almost like he wanted rick to draw his gun.
PhoenixDark
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I've never been a fan of LeBron
Another thing: Shane figured out the virus situation a couple episodes ago right, when he found those bodies that didn't have any bites/scratches. But still, his plan hinged on no one finding the body/zombie...yet Daryl who is like an Aragorn level ranger/tracker comes along. He had to know Daryl could find the tracks, and possibly find the body/zombie which fucks up his entire plan.
I'm not sure I buy the argument that Shane was just crazy. Shane was a survivor. He did what he had to do to survive at all costs for two seasons. So why would he suddenly decide to take a giant risk with multiple holes in his plan (within vision of the farm, bringing Daryl along, no possibility of ensuring the body/zombie was anywhere close to Rick, etc)? It would have made far more sense to wait it out a bit, get back on Rick's good side, and kill him the next time they went out on some errand.
No, Shane asked Rick about it.
Shane: "Rick, there are no bites."
Rick: "Has to be scratches then." (before seeing the bodies.)
Rick:"One on his hand, one his cheek".
Shane: "Has to be scratches then, huh?"
Rick: (Shakes his head silently, walks away looking at Shane as Shane continues to look at the cops).
Assuming Jennar told Rick, he lied.
Mmmkay. Cool, that makes it better I suppose.
CounterSeal
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Maybe I'm missing something here, but... I'm just wondering how everyone is already infected (if that is indeed the case). Did something get into the world's food supply similar to something like SARs or Mad Cow Disease... Perhaps it was a pharmaceutical drug gone wrong... or aliens.
Night_Trekker
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Definitely. That should have occurred to someone in the group at some point.
Or it could be airborne.
I doubt the show is going to explain exactly what happened to cause the zombie outbreak, though.
ryutaro's mama
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That not wanting to kill an unarmed man thing was just Shane showing his cowardice, even in the end.
If he was committed to killing Rick, nothing would have thrown him off.
He would have shot him, possibly in the chest or something and then rattled off an "I won" speech as Rick laid, bleeding out.
My guess would be it's airborne.
Well, phones... I don't know who you'd call. GPS fair point. Walkie talkies... they had some, I'm guessing they still do but power...
The funny one is time.
In the comics, they always go on and on about how it's weird not knowing what day it is. In a letters segment, someone pointed out how like, EVERY digital device has the date, and Kirkman straight up admitted it was a dumb oversight on his part.
They could call... each other?
Walkie talkies are powered by batteries, there should be millions of unused batteries out there, no? And after that, there are rechargeable batteries? There is still electricity, isn't there?
Also, After he points out the scratches and before Shane says "guess it has to be scratches, huh" Rick also says "They had walkers here. Burnt bodies down the hill." Which is very redundant since that should be common sense after seeing a zombie in front of you and knowing so far that it's zombie to person contact that causes new ones. It's like Rick tried to remind him.
Night_Trekker
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These zombie also eat batteries. It's the only thing that makes sense!
EDIT: If this were many years after the outbreak, I might be able to believe supplies like batteries has almost all been scavenged (like resources had been in The Road), but in TWD, I agree that's hard to accept.
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Beat EviLore at pool.
I am surprised they don't find a smart phone or something so they can hopefully find a safe zone. One of them in the group needs to think of that.
Yeah I guess so. Never really thought about it.
As far as walkie talkie batteries, in my experience they are less simple than that (different models, different batteries) but your point stands.
Not sure. It certainly would have smoothed over some plot points. I guess we can just assume the phones aren't working for whatever reason. Again, not sure about walkies. I know they have one and use it, but thats the most they get into it.
I can buy that.
I thankfully found the episode on my cable's VOD. I spent a while trying to find a transcript because I figured knowing the exact wording would help analyze it better. Then I found it on VOD.
Yeah I was definitely remembering it wrong. Good thing too, because I rather l liked that scene.
ryutaro's mama
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Imagine the stench of a world full of undead.
Sorry, just a random thought...
Sorry, just a random thought...
Pachterballs
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That was mostly good. Shane's psychotic break in this was less finessed than in the comic - what with all the heavy breathing and grunting like he was infected (but not); but the episode seemed to move really fast for me. Really impactful and well done, the last 5 minutes. loved the dagger to the heart.
Id kind of forgotten that the dead reanimate in this (through death). I wonder if the both guys in the bar got shot in the head now. Shane did get reanimated super fast though. Took all of 5 minutes?
Its a shame he had to die though. I loved the actor in this. :'(
RIP shane aka this show's best character
Id kind of forgotten that the dead reanimate in this (through death). I wonder if the both guys in the bar got shot in the head now. Shane did get reanimated super fast though. Took all of 5 minutes?
Its a shame he had to die though. I loved the actor in this. :'(
RIP shane aka this show's best character
As soon as the back up generators died. Read my post above. I designed sites for this for 6 years. They have generators on site.
Also got to count how long the power sources can stay. Like dams would last the longest.
Dude... c'mon now.
Fantastic episode.
It seems with this new writing staff that the decision these characters make actually have an impact on those around them. What a fucking thought.
The final scene with Rick and Shane only silhouettes in the field with the moon over them was beautiful... in an eerie way of course.
I can't fucking wait for next week. This also confirms my suspicions that
I don't read the spoilers in this thread and I haven't read the comics, so this was a shock to me.
It seems with this new writing staff that the decision these characters make actually have an impact on those around them. What a fucking thought.
The final scene with Rick and Shane only silhouettes in the field with the moon over them was beautiful... in an eerie way of course.
I can't fucking wait for next week. This also confirms my suspicions that
Jenner told Rick that everyone is already infected.
I don't read the spoilers in this thread and I haven't read the comics, so this was a shock to me.
Pachterballs
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This isn't a major spoiler; I mean if you're going to read the comic; you should have by now. Shane doesn't even live as long as he does in the show. Dead by episode 3-4 of season 1; if they followed the comic. A few pages back there was talk about them killing Dale when he doesn't die here in the comic. There's no difference imo.
someone hasn't read the comic. lol
No, I just mean it's crazy talk to imply there is any finesse to the comics. Shane's psychotic break has been given a season of time and attention here. In the comic it was like, paper thin. The nature of comics and all that...
Pachterballs
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I hope they write in a twin to shane's character who they run into later. I feel bad for the actor that he's tv career is effectively over with his death. Hopefully, some studio will cast him somewhere pronto!
ah right. But nowhere you'd think when you were reading the comics; that he'd be grunting like he was infected or crazy or something. I mean, he didn't even act like that when they fought in the car yard and THAT was a substantially longer; much longer sequence. There was also the grunting and crazy looking licking + zombie sounds in the barn.
ah right. But nowhere you'd think when you were reading the comics; that he'd be grunting like he was infected or crazy or something. I mean, he didn't even act like that when they fought in the car yard and THAT was a substantially longer; much longer sequence. There was also the grunting and crazy looking licking + zombie sounds in the barn.
I feel bad for him too. On a talk show he was saying how all his family and friends love it, watch it, and call him about it unlike previous things or something.
Looks like he has a main role in a movie with Dwayne Johnson.
Rabid Wolverine
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10/10 Episode.
As someone already mentioned shades of jack vs locke moment.
Fuck this show has gotten much better lately.
As someone already mentioned shades of jack vs locke moment.
Fuck this show has gotten much better lately.
I've seen people get confused and think he acted like a zombie in the barn and that that had to do with the ending.
TheVampire
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what was with those weird flashes dead shane was getting?
Just got around to watching it, so awesome. Loved the final scene at the end, so happy Shane is finally dead, that psycho fuck.
One thing though, if Rick supposedly already knew that everyone was infected without being bitten, why wouldn't he have shot Shane in the head immediately instead of turning his back to him and almost becoming zombie bait?
One thing though, if Rick supposedly already knew that everyone was infected without being bitten, why wouldn't he have shot Shane in the head immediately instead of turning his back to him and almost becoming zombie bait?
Foxy Fox 39
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Im definitely not team shane or rick, but Im sad to see him go. He brought much needed tension.
If Daryl or Glen die im out. Seriously. My two fav characters.
ryutaro's mama
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I think he was planning to finish the job before he turned (but he was taking a moment to mourn the loss of his friend) but then Carl arrived and interrupted the process.
Pachterballs
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aka turning into a zombie POV. you got a red hot flash and images of eating meat.
HP_Wuvcraft
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It happened in season one with Jim. So it's not like it's new. It's just stupid as shit.
Two main characters in two episodes.
No Jenner info yet (which we know is a thing).
This was shot like the pilot. Felt like the pilot. Strongest episode since the pilot.
He might have been waiting to see if Shane did turn. He hasn't had a ton of chances to see if non-zombie-related deaths rise again, and IIRC there were some corpses in cars in the season premiere that hadn't come back so he could be unsure. Shane would be his rare opportunity to see if everyone's infected, without having to tip off anyone else in the group. If Shane didn't get up, then he'd know it wasn't true. If Shane did, he could still keep the truth a secret.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Also: his kid was right there.
Also: his kid was right there, and he just saw his dad kill another man.
Also: his kid was pointing a gun at him.
I suppose that does make sense, I guess seeing the cop bodies might have brought his fears back to the forefront and then with Shane he wanted to know once and for all if it was true or not. Good point.
He definitely had some time where he was just kinda sitting there in shock staring at Shane's body before Carl showed up.
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