Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Vire said:
Seeing as how Shepard was constantly tormented by the child. It would seem fitting that the Reapers would use his essence to manipulate Shepard into doing what they want him to do.

The more I think about this indoctrination thing, the more I secretly love it.
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Honestly, if the indoctrination thing is true then no joke, BEST ENDING EVER. I'd be pissed if they charge for post game DLC but I'd get it anyway because of the sheer amount of balls it took for the ending. They'd need like, three times what a Krogan has and I'm not sure any dev on our planet has that many.

But, of course, it isn't. Bioware just wanted to end the games and give us a pretty explosion in the colour of our choosing.
 
Zeitgeister said:
Burn the ships behind you, so your men will fight with the power of despair.

The whole indoctrination thing is pretty much such an act of despair.
Can't imagine what Bioware must be thinking reading all these threads though. Mission accomplished? Uh oh? Well, that didn't work? Let's work on that other ending to troll the ending we put in?
I don't know. I think they didn't know either. Therefore: aliens.
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Yep.

High five bro.

What would be really interesting is if Bioware hadn't originally intended for it to be indoctrination but since such a plausible theory was outlined from the fans, they adapted it into the actual fiction due to the backlash.
 
Metroidvania said:
Doesn't matter who you had in your squad at the very end. They get teleported to the fleeing Normandy by unexplained plot device #25, space magic. The scene is Joker, Edi if you didn't pick destroy/someone random if you did, and the third is your LI.

edit: Damn, way beat.
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Pretty sure it's the 2 party members you used the most or talked to the most. My LI wasn't even on the Normandy :lol.
 
br0ken_shad0w said:
They could have done so much more with the visions like tying it with your psych profile:
Sole Survivor - death and destruction
War Hero - unable to save your allies
Ruthless - unable to stop the reapers

Instead we get the child shit courtesy of lazy writing.
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I never thought of this, but that would have been awesome, and actually tied into your decision making process way back from Mass Effect 1.

Would have been cooler than just mentioning Akuze/Whatever the other options mission-name dropping once or twice every game.
 
Uriah said:
I liked how they called him the Shepard. Oh look, a bible reference. So clever.
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I thought more about it like the Shepard takes care of his flock (friends/everyone?) and the reapers reap what they sow? But then again, he is Space Jesus.
 
Phthisis said:
I agree. The whole essence of indoctrination as described in ME1 was a creeping voice at the back of your head that you're not sure you heard, you just know something is off. And that's how everyone feels right now about the ending.

Why show Shepard alive in the Destroy ending? Why?

Why have the paragon/renegade colors seemingly mixed up for the final choice?

Why do these things? This is the kind of stuff you don't do unless you have a reason.
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I'm serious when I say, if this is true, this is one of the most brilliant end stories I have ever seen. I doubt Bioware is that smart though.
 
Patryn said:
And you know who it should have been in those dreams instead of the kid? How about the person you left behind on Virmire? Totally symbolizes Shepard's inability to save everyone, and will definitely be dead in all of player's games.
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That actually would have been pretty cool. When Shepard is knocked out by the Reaper beam, he has a conversation with a spirit Kaidan/Ashley, and then wakes up to go save the day.
 
Secret_Riddle said:
I'm pretty sure Bioware didn't kill off the entire franchise; therefore, there's probably something wrong with your interpretation of the "arrival" rule. We'll see soon enough either way. Honestly, this thread is so full of fail. No one's even really talking about the ending. Space wizards! Different coloured lights! LOL so ST00PID! Why no scenes with Shepard, Liara and blue babies? Yes, someone ITT actually said that.

I'm all for giving Bioware and EA shit for the giant wad of DLC they're probably going to throw at us to get the full ending (likely with cheesy fan-service galore). Hell, go ahead and criticize the ending for being too narrow for such a choice driven trilogy; but to act like it was thematically out of place in a story that essentially boiled down to synthetics vs organics is just kind of silly. Plus the theories we're coming up with are fun.
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Then why even post this? Its not like your post is going to suddenly magically make us all pick a new choice on a color wheel...
 
Guys no making it a hallucination and then releasing the real ending later via a different piece of content would be evil and unartistic as hell you're in the bargaining phase now
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Guys no making it a hallucination and then releasing the real ending later via a different piece of content would be evil and unartistic as hell you're in the bargaining phase now
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No you're wrong. It'd be amazing. They can't be this stupid right. Bioware are smarter than that and they know we are too. They wanted us to figure it out. We'll get an announcement any day now.









;_;
 
I always thought Shepard was a reference to the way he/she is constantly shepherding the races of the galaxy along to keep the peace and get them pulling in the same direction.

As for the topic of blue babies, I don't really like Liara as a love interest that much and I decided to break it off in my latest play-through to try a different path. The way Asari have bond mates or whatever reminds me too much of Kif's people in Futurama and their "fon fon roo." It's so silly... Almost as silly as a space lesbian taking a shower with her bra and panties on, but at least Traynor was a quirky, likable character (the toothbrush bit killed me).

FemShep / Garrus is the best romance path that I've tried. Great dialog in that one. Though ManShep / Tali isn't bad either.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Guys no making it a hallucination and then releasing the real ending later via a different piece of content would be evil and unartistic as hell you're in the bargaining phase now
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I'd rather have some cheesy DLC add-on with a "Oh, no, THIS is what the ACTUAL ending is!" than what we have now.
 
Vire said:
Yep.

High five bro.

What would be really interesting is if Bioware hadn't originally intended for it to be indoctrination but since such a plausible theory was outlined from the fans, they adapted it into the actual fiction due to the backlash.
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It was never a dream/indoctrination theory outside of the parts where the Illusive Man tries to control you. The leaked script from the november build doesn't mention that as a dream at all and does label as "nightmares" the dreams with the kid. In the original script there's also 3 different outcomes as you rush to the beam.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Guys no making it a hallucination and then releasing the real ending later via a different piece of content would be evil and unartistic as hell you're in the bargaining phase now
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Ending DLC announcement: You now have the option of Purple Space Magic!
 
Zomba13 said:
No you're wrong. It'd be amazing. They can't be this stupid right. Bioware are smarter than that and they know we are too. They wanted us to figure it out. We'll get an announcement any day now.



;_;
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If they are, and they probably are. I have lost an insane amount of respect for them. Killing shep is fine, but not giving any closure and having so many errors in the ending of a game they knew was coming for 5 years is inexcusable. It should have been a MAJOR focus of their development. Not written by a retarded child.
 
odd_morsel said:
I always thought Shepard was a reference to the way he/she is constantly shepherding the races of the galaxy along to keep the peace and get them pulling in the same direction.

As for the topic of blue babies, I don't really like Liara as a love interest that much and I decided to break it off in my latest play-through to try a different path. The way Asari have bond mates or whatever reminds me too much of Kif's people in Futurama and their "fon fon roo." It's so silly... Almost as silly as a space lesbian taking a shower with her bra and panties on, but at least Traynor was a quirky, likable character (the toothbrush bit killed me).

FemShep / Garrus is the best romance path that I've tried. Great dialog in that one. Though ManShep / Tali isn't bad either.
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Honestly, I was considering leaving Liara after ME2. But the broker content and the scenes in ME3 are really thought out and warm. You should consider a play through for her or at least watch the scenes on youtube. She turned out great.
 
Patryn said:
What I want to know is what the higher ups at EA are thinking.

Something like "Bioware, what the FUCK did you just do???"
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Everything I know about management, from work, fiction (JPOD by Douglas Coupland and its random hip turtle in a snowboard game) and academic literature tells me this is the work of higher ups, not the other way around.

It just reeks of intervention of the management kind. Seriously, do not assume managers to be logical thinkers, because they are not. There is the myth, and there is reality and they are nothing alike. But they are very good at making up reasons that give the impression of logic.

And you know who it should have been in those dreams instead of the kid? How about the person you left behind on Virmire? Totally symbolizes Shepard's inability to save everyone, and will definitely be dead in all of player's games.
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I would have expected the same. And even said so in the demo thread. I was spot on with heavy melee being added to be used on the last boss though. Regardless of what you do, Shepard melees Kai Leng at the end.
Not much of a prediction though.
 
Vamphuntr said:
It was never a dream/indoctrination theory outside of the parts where the Illusive Man tries to control you. The leaked script from the november build doesn't mention that as a dream at all and does label as "nightmares" the dreams with the kid. In the original script there's also 3 different outcomes as you rush to the beam.
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Do you happen to have a link to the original script? I'd like to give it a gander.
 
I think Shepard surviving the "renegade" option was BioWare's attempt at adding a few more advantages to the renegade path, I think I heard them talking about this before the game's release.
 
I got to Thane's death a while back and I can't believe people thought that was "awesome".

Dude got fucking Worf'd by some punk ass faux bad ass who's all in all a pretty forgettable character. The way people were talking it up I expected him to go out something like
------Leon-------
did in Leon the Professional. I kept expecting some wicked smile to come across Thane's face as the dude got away because he planted a tracking device on him or something, but lolnope just died for no other reason than to establish that jackass as an antagonistic force.

The last rights scene was pretty touching though.
 
Darknessbear said:
My friend messaged me, "My galactic score is really high! I'm getting ready!" I shed a tear. I definitely feel like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKTN5NHfwlQ
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There are a few people I know playing it right now, and I feel the same way. The only problem would be accidentally setting them up to believe the ending is a great one where Shepard simply doesn't succeed, rather than a horrible one that's equivalent to this franchise you love raping you and stuffing your body into a dumpster somewhere.
 
Zeitgeister said:
Everything I know about management, from work, fiction (JPOD by Douglas Coupland and its random hip turtle in a snowboard game) and academic literature tells me this is the work of higher ups, not the other way around.

It just reeks of intervention of the management kind. Seriously, do not assume managers to be logical thinkers, because they are not. There is the myth, and there is reality and they are nothing alike. But they are very good at making up reasons that give the impression of logic.
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But how does this clusterfuck of an ending help higher-ups? How does this result in more copies sold (I asumme that's what managers/higher-ups are interested in)?
 
Prologue said:
Honestly, I was considering leaving Liara after ME2. But the broker content and the scenes in ME3 are really thought out and warm. You should consider a play through for her or at least watch the scenes on youtube. She turned out great.
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I finished the game once maintaining loyalty to Liara from ME1 to the end so I've seen it all. I'm now doing an insanity run through and I'm going to romance someone else this time. Not sure who. Might try James, but seems like it'd be really boring.

Can you romance Traynor beyond molesting her in the shower?
 
pa22word said:
I got to Thane's death a while back and I can't believe people thought that was "awesome".

Dude got fucking Worf'd by some punk ass faux bad ass who's all in all a pretty forgettable character. The way people were talking it up I expected him to go out something like
------Leon-------
did in Leon the Professional. I kept expecting some wicked smile to come across Thane's face as the dude got away because he planted a tracking device on him or something, but lolnope just died for no other reason than to establish that jackass as an antagonistic force.

The last rights scene was pretty touching though.
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Did you hear the unedited version Anderson and Shepard talking?
 
In the cut scenarios it specifically showed what happened to your squad mates and established Anderson being right behind you (so much for that being a hallucination)
 
BannedEpisode said:
Yeah.

I guess lol.


Its funny. I was loving the game going into the final couple minutes. Loving it.
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i was so sucked in with everything happening in London like talking to my squad one by one and the final confrontation with Illusive Man was just really well done.

so yea, i can understand that the ending with the ghost kid was annoying. they should've just ended it in a normal way and leave any future conflicts for sequels or something.
 
Zeitgeister said:
Everything I know about management, from work, fiction (JPOD by Douglas Coupland and its random hip turtle in a snowboard game) and academic literature tells me this is the work of higher ups, not the other way around.

It just reeks of intervention of the management kind. Seriously, do not assume managers to be logical thinkers, because they are not. There is the myth, and there is reality and they are nothing alike. But they are very good at making up reasons that give the impression of logic.



I would have expected the same. And even said so in the demo thread. I was spot on with heavy melee being added to be used on the last boss though. Regardless of what you do, Shepard melees Kai Leng at the end.
Not much of a prediction though.
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Have you read Microserfs? It's basically the early 90s version of Jpod. It's a wonderful postmodern story.

I have not. Link?
It's probably best you don't. It'll make you hate the ending and Bioware even more for cutting it out.
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Still, I personally would like to see it. Where can I find this?
 
EmCeeGramr said:
In the cut scenarios it specifically showed what happened to your squad mates and established Anderson being right behind you (so much for that being a hallucination)
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But they were cut for a reason. That reason being us and Shepard are indoctrinated.

Praise be to the Reape- I mean Bioware!
 
EmCeeGramr said:
In the cut scenarios it specifically showed what happened to your squad mates and established Anderson being right behind you (so much for that being a hallucination)
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Where can I find information on this? Right now I will take just about anything over what was given.
 
Basically in the original you had hammer running to the beam while the Normandy attacks Harbinger.

The 3 outcomes where :

Shepards and Anderson reach the conduit first but a husk grabs Anderson and Shepard is warped alone on the Citadel.

Anderson wakes up Shepard, lends him a shoulder and a gun a both limp to reach the beam.

Shepard wakes up all beaten up and bloodied on the battlefied. No survivor around and Shepard limps to the beam alone.

The Normandy is there in all 3 scenarios so Joker can pick up the others.

In the final game you get the last one without the Normandy over the battlefield.
 
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