Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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I don't understand how organics wouldn't be able to "comprehend" the Reapers. Sovereign in ME1 said this and we're told it again in ME3, yet their purpose seemed pretty straight forward [and kind of dumb]. I wish they never actually told us, sometimes less is more and I feel they sort of cheapened them with their explanation.
 
lastplayed said:
But which ending is worse? Reaper Terminator or Ghost kid?
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Ghost kid. Reaper Terminatior had the chance of being explained in this one properly (it didn't but it had the potential) this one is just 'lol here you go' and we won't get an explanation or closure.


Until we get the true indoctrination ending DLC

dralla said:
I don't understand how organics wouldn't be able to "comprehend" the Reapers. Sovereign in ME1 said this and we're told it again in ME3, yet their purpose seemed pretty straight forward [and kind of dumb]. I wish they never actually told us, sometimes less is more and I feel they sort of cheapened them with their explanation.
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They were right. We can't comprehend it because it's so ridiculously stupid.
 
Karl2177 said:
I fix the ending.
Anderson and Shepard arrive at the control panel for the Citadel. Before Shep or Anderson can open the arms, TIM shows up and starts controlling Shepard's body, preventing either of them from activating it. TIM says that there is a way to control the Reapers and that he isn't lying. Then depending on how Paragon or Renegade Shep is, s/he can break free from TIM's control. Shepard or Anderson kills TIM, and then Shepard goes to activate the Citadel arms. Instead of opening it, a "Reaper VI" appears, similar to that of Vigil or the one on Virmire.

He is the last known record of his species. His species created the Mass Relays, and their greatest achievement was the Citadel, a relay into dark space and beyond the galaxy. His species also created the Reapers. Their true origin was lost when the Reapers started harvesting his species. At this time there are few Reapers, but they are patient and exterminate them, thus starting the cycle. The Reapers retreat into dark space, except Sovereign who is to start the next cycle. Each species following has evolved and expanded using the creations of the first species. Each harvest meant more Reapers, and faster harvests, until the Prothean empire. This harvest took centuries, and as a result the Reapers changed the genetic code of the Protheans into the Collectors to be servants and collect species while the Reapers waited for the command from the Citadel to invade.

At this point in time the "Reaper VI" reveals that it is truly an AI with control of the Reapers. It directed Sovereign to start this cycle. (My reasoning for it not starting the cycle being that the first species wisely separated the Citadel control from Reaper control) When Sovereign failed, it directed the Reaper known as Harbinger. Harbinger is the first Reaper, the one designed from the first species(as well as Sovereign), and so the AI finds it easiest to control these one. Lastly, the AI warns against the Crucible. It was designed from previous records including his own species. It may not be complete and some may have been lost over time.

This is where the ending fully comes in. The AI asks Shepard what he wants to do. If the Crucible score is over a certain amount, Shepard can fire it deactivating all Reapers including the ones still in dark space. If the Crucible score isn't high enough, it still destroys all Reapers, but the Mass Relays(including the Citadel) are deactivated or destroyed. If the Crucible score is really low, then it wipes out all life(Halo effect for the lulz). Shepard can also use the AI to control the Reapers.

Have at it people. Hire me Bioware.
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8/10
 
hateradio said:
Because it wasn't mentioned at all, and there were no such traces in his/her body.

And in Thessia the Prothian didn't detect any agent of indoctrination besides Kai Kamehameha Ling.

Those could just be caused by space magic, not Reaper implants.
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See. I was just going to say that SPACE MAGIC answers all questions.
 
dralla said:
I don't understand how organics wouldn't be able to "comprehend" the Reapers. Sovereign in ME1 said this and we're told it again in ME3, yet their purpose seemed pretty straight forward [and kind of dumb]. I wish they never actually told us, sometimes less is more and I feel they sort of cheapened them with their explanation.
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Thats been my feeling on the subject.

Theres something novel and interesting about a virtually unknowable enemy. We are used to enemies who we can reason with and understand, at least to some degree, but an enemy that is acting on motivations and reasoning that is beyond our understanding is not just menacing but frightening. There is no surrender, all you can do is fight till the bitter end.
 
I'm actually growing to like the ending somewhat, with all the theories ect. of it being indoctrination and Shepard never leaves earth ect. But still, that's NOT what the game is about... we needed the ending battle, where all of our decisions come to fruition and then happy ewok music where we see all of our old friends. You can have both if they really want it...
 
What if Ninjaman wasn't indoctrinated and the indoctrinated force the Prothean VI was detecting WAS SHEPPARD?!?!?!?!

...

Space magic.
 
Darknessbear said:
I'm actually growing to like the ending somewhat, with all the theories ect. of it being indoctrination and Shepard never leaves earth ect. But still, that's NOT what the game is about... we needed the ending battle, where all of our decisions come to fruition and then happy ewok music where we see all of our old friends. You can have both if they really want it...
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Doesn't even need a happy ending at all. Just needs us to know what the fuck is up with our allies and the galaxy. What effect our choices had in shaping this universe.

As it stands it doesn't make a fucking difference. Either everyone dies in some way or everyone becomes cyborgs.
 
lastplayed said:
Shepard + Reaper implants + Geth server = groovy.

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Did you make this? Do you mind if I use it to make a video for this thread?
 
hateradio said:
I think there's a difference between getting it and comprehending it. The Reapers' cycle will never be fully comprehensible because it's illogical and idiotic.


Look around those posts for that. Here's a better forum link.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=35976817#post35976817
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=35976913#post35976913
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Yeah, what Sovreign was really saying was "what we did was really stupid and I don't want to talk about it because then you'll laugh"
 
Zomba13 said:
Doesn't even need a happy ending at all. Just needs us to know what the fuck is up with our allies and the galaxy. What effect our choices had in shaping this universe.

As it stands it doesn't make a fucking difference. Either everyone dies in some way or everyone becomes cyborgs.
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Yea, I mean you only get happy Ewok music and party if your decisions pay off.

I was really expecting a ME2 style ending with big decisions that decide fates of entire combat fleets...
 
hateradio said:
I think there's a difference between getting it and comprehending it. The Reapers' cycle will never be fully comprehensible because it's illogical and idiotic.
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Well that only occurs because they tried to explain it, had they simply left it unexplained and continued with the notion that the Reaper's actions and motivations were a mystery and something we could understand, the mystique of it all would have been a lot more powerful than what we got which severely diminished, if not completely, everything that made the Reaper's threatening.
 
Darknessbear said:
I'm actually growing to like the ending somewhat, with all the theories ect. of it being indoctrination and Shepard never leaves earth ect. But still, that's NOT what the game is about... we needed the ending battle, where all of our decisions come to fruition and then happy ewok music where we see all of our old friends. You can have both if they really want it...
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I am more disguested with the fact I need to pay for javik... Did you see the video about him and his distrust for geth? If that was in-game.. I would hate the ending to a lesser extent
 
Zomba13 said:
Ghost kid. Reaper Terminatior had the chance of being explained in this one properly (it didn't but it had the potential) this one is just 'lol here you go' and we won't get an explanation or closure.


Until we get the true indoctrination ending DLC



They were right. We can't comprehend it because it's so ridiculously stupid.
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Exactly - an intricate plot device that clearly the writers don't have any clue how to utilize properly. If organics are unable to comprehend the Reapers, then I expect to never know what the motivation is.

This ending...this series, woe is me!

lastplayed said:
Sure, it's just a screenshot of Shep entering the Geth server. Full size is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/s_lockton/6971435255/sizes/o/in/set-72157629326279193/
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So damn cyberpunk, love it. I LOVED that mission, even though it was pretty straight-forward. Had some pretty important revelations in it as well.
 
Man, Bioware is trolling hardcore on the Twitter feed. Here are some @MassEffect responses to comments compiled Here on the BSN regarding the ending.

User 2: "You are either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."
@masseffect: "Can't it be both?"

User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing."
@masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."

User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."
@masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."

User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?"
@masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."

User 6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it may look like to people from Bioware."
@masseffect: "We're not playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and recording what feedback we receive."

User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."
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edit: Another, think this was already posted though.

@wishihadadream: "do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC."
@masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available :).
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Lol.
 
lastplayed said:
But which ending is worse? Reaper Terminator or Ghost kid?
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Ghost kid.

As bad as ME2 was it was pretty bad straight from the start, so by the time I reached the end I was just like "...really?". It was like a shit ornament on top of a giant shit wedding cake, not that big of a deal.

ME3's ending still has me depressed when I think about the series. There was still hope after ME2 and they were hitting home runs with 3 and then....ghost kid happened *cries*
 
Okay, I was just checking, because people complained about EVERY aspect of ME2 and I just wanted to know if it was the same with 3.

But yeah, I'm going with the indoctrination ending. Its' the only one that makes any sense to me at all. And that's not just a cop out either, I had the idea that there was something going on with Shep for a while and it's hinted at in many ways. But more than anything else, I just don't believe that bioware would be so stupid as to build up synthetics being peaceful and cooperative for two whole games only to sincerely try to convince them that peace is impossible in the last 10 minutes. There is no way that was anything but Harbinger trying to trick shepard into not killing them. In this way, I'm SATISFIED with the ending for the most part, but it lacks closure. We still don't know why the reapers are doing all this, and I don't get why the mass relays or the synthesis thing happened at all. Maybe it was just a hallucination or soemthing, I don't know.
 
Haha.

User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."

User: I'm excited to beat @masseffect and see what all this fuss is over the ending.
@masseffect: Shepard rides a pegasus to lead a war against the titans and rescue the prince- Wait, no, that's not how it ends.

Man WTF is happening.
 
I think the PR dude at the other end of the twitter is drunk.

So drunk that he's tweeting fans that the ending is an hallucination.

:|
 
Lifejumper said:
Haha.

User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."

Man WTF is happening.
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They planed it all along...

Bioware = Real life Aizen
 
Lifejumper said:
Haha.

User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."

Man WTF is happening.
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Yeah I just saw this, this stands out to me overall.

If the ending was all a dream that is a major fucking copout and I'll hate them forever.
 
At least Shepard's prothean vision from the first game means a lot more now. Lots of meat, computer chips, red stuff and a reaper. Pretty much sums up the end of ME3.
 
DTKT said:
I think the PR dude at the other end of the twitter is drunk.

So drunk that he's tweeting fans that the ending is an hallucination.

:|
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I wouldn't just be drunk if I were in his or her position right about now. I'd be halfway through a brick of coke.
 
littleworm said:
I want to replay through the ending again, but the last "save" assuming you didn't manually save the game is so far back.
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I actually managed to find a spot on Earth where I could save and did (fairly early on), so I think I'm going to relaunch from there.
 
Indoctrination theory is looking more and more likely. I still kinda wish they played it safe and just did a cliche ending that has everyone happy, but the theory would be much better than practically changing the ME universe as we know it. Mass Effect Relays are like the core of the series and what would be left if they are all blown up?
 
Lifejumper said:
Haha.

User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."

User: I'm excited to beat @masseffect and see what all this fuss is over the ending.
@masseffect: Shepard rides a pegasus to lead a war against the titans and rescue the prince- Wait, no, that's not how it ends.

Man WTF is happening.
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INDOCTRINATION

Looks like they're using indoctrination as an out for extra post-game DLC.
 
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