Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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I remember back then some developer told "to hang to our ME3 saves".Now it can't be for ME4 or a new entry in the series since the next gen will come before and I doubt you will be able to transfer from one console to another.BUT what about a Dragon Age Awakening like expension?Save transfer was used in that game.
 
ShockingAlberto said:
So we have a few options here

1) The ending is as plainly the way it looked. Shep meets magical space child, you choose different colored explosions, for some reason the crew that was with you on earth landed in some jungle.

So, Bioware wrote a really shitty ending, possibly rushed for time.

2) Indoctrination theory where nothing that happened after being hit by Harbinger's laser really happened. It was Shepard's mind fighting off indoctrination. His/her conversation with the Illusive Man was representative of his/her own struggle to keep a grip over their own mind. The choice determined whether you wake up or not and did not actually cause pointless stone age-ing of the galaxy. For whatever reason, Shepard is shown an image of your crew crash-landing in a jungle.

So, Bioware did not write the ending of the game to either leave it vague or to sell you an ending later.

3) They ending was just a feint while they were rushed for time to make an actual ending. It will come out eventually.

So, Bioware sold you an incomplete product, but intends to fix it eventually and was not out to PURPOSELY screw you out of an appropriate ending.

It's kind of funny that the best possible choice for Bioware - as in, the option above that makes them look the least incompetent and sleazy - is the one where they tried to write a clever ending and just threw up all over themselves.
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That's the funniest part of all this. Bioware failed regardless of what happened. Well, artistically failed. If they charge for ending DLC and people pay for it, then it's a sad, sad victory.
 
Lifejumper said:
Bioware warned us about the crappy ending in the beginning of the game?

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mas...-the-Child-is-not-all-he-seems-9946363-1.html

lol.
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lastplayed said:
Well.. I'm ok now. I'm 1/3rd of my way through a second run, I'm enjoying it again, and I just ordered that new art book.

Feels good.

Question is, am I in the acceptance phase, or is it still denial?
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You've accepted (and realised) that despite the shitty ending Mass Effect 3 is still an immensely enjoyable and well structured game with interesting and complete plot threads sewn since the very first game. That despite the underwhelming and empty destination, the journey is tremendous fun and worthy of revisiting.
 
Kurtofan said:
I remember back then some developer told "to hang to our ME3 saves".Now it can't be for ME4 or a new entry in the series since the next gen will come before and I doubt you will be able to transfer from one console to another.BUT what about a Dragon Age Awakening like expension?Save transfer was used in that game.
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Only if I can mess around in the Mako like ME1 did
 
Kurtofan said:
I remember back then some developer told "to hang to our ME3 saves".Now it can't be for ME4 or a new entry in the series since the next gen will come before and I doubt you will be able to transfer from one console to another.BUT what about a Dragon Age Awakening like expension?Save transfer was used in that game.
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Without a system like transfarring, how will you import your PS360 save?
 
Out of curiousity, how many of you are willing to admit that you believe in the indoctrination theory atleast partially because you don't think Bioware would make such an awful ending?

I wouldn't buy it purely out of this hope, but it just seems so insane to me that bioware would seriously try to push this on us. A large portion of the last two games was spent developing legion and Edi into fully realized characters that can very easily co-exist with humanity. That they go against that not just in the same series, but the very same game? The one where they just shown memories of how nonaggressive the geth were? It's such a severe contradiction of themes that I find it hard to believe that anyone, not just bioware, could craft a story as elaborate as that and then not realize they go against entirely in the last 10 minutes. What are people who support the bad writing argument saying here, the writers just forgot this element in the process of development? How do you forget something like that?
 
sdornan said:
Wow, that's pretty awesome.
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Hahaha it is.

Here are my final 2 choices on this
1. Bioware wrote 5 years of amazing game with thousands of lines of speech all with excellent taste and connectivity...only to fail utterly at the most important point.

2. Bioware wrote 5 years of amazing game with thousands of lines of speech all with excellent taste and connectivity and is continuing that with a massive and thought provoking "gotcha" ending.

I don't feel to strange saying that with the detail in the games, a strange very insane gotcha ending taking into account tons of actions through game...is ANY stranger than assuming after 5 years of excellent writing they looked at the game and said "Fuck it...done."

The more I think of the excellence in the past games, the more it points to a thought provoking "gotcha" ending that isn't filled with so many errors, logic issues and so forth.
 
EatChildren said:
You've accepted (and realised) that despite the shitty ending Mass Effect 3 is still an immensely enjoyable and well structured game with interesting and complete plot threads sewn since the very first game. That despite the underwhelming and empty destination, the journey is tremendous fun and worthy of revisiting.
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Yes, that sounds reasonable.

hateradio said:
You can't be certain because you're in the indoctrinated camp.
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I think I've filed the whole ending and its conspiracy theories to one side for now. Whatever the truth is, I'll deal with it later.
 
EatChildren said:
You've accepted (and realised) that despite the shitty ending Mass Effect 3 is still an immensely enjoyable and well structured game with interesting and complete plot threads sewn since the very first game. That despite the underwhelming and empty destination, the journey is tremendous fun and worthy of revisiting.
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Sounds about right. The game itself was really great. The last 10 minutes could've been better.
 
Generic said:
Out of curiousity, how many of you are willing to admit that you believe in the indoctrination theory atleast partially because you don't think Bioware would make such an awful ending?
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I don't believe it because it requires a huge leap of faith that BioWare's lead writers, superficially Matt Walters, are not suspect to god awful plot threads, incomplete narrative arcs, and inconsistent themes. Walters work on Mass Effect 2 and the several comics refutes this belief.

Mass Effect's best writers are all the people writing the dialogue, characters and smaller stories. Walters fucking sucks.
 
duckroll said:
I don't think Shepard is indoctrinated for the entire game (if he was at all). It is possible if we follow the theory that the little boy is a tool the Reapers are using to attempt to indoctrinate Shepard, but he has been resisting it successfully.

Only at the end, when he is right in front of Harbinger, and "shot" with the laser, does the full indoctrination process begin. According to the theory anyway.
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Gosh, I hate this theory. So strained!
 
So I just checked. The other non-spoiler thread moved 351 posts in the last 24 hours, this thread has posted 2174 posts in the same period. It should catch up to the official thread by Saturday. ;)
 
EatChildren said:
I don't believe it because it requires a huge leap of faith that BioWare's lead writers, superficially Matt Walters, are not suspect to god awful plot threads, incomplete narrative arcs, and inconsistent themes. Walters work on Mass Effect 2 and the several comics refutes this belief.

Mass Effect's best writers are all the people writing the dialogue, characters and smaller stories. Walters fucking sucks.
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I do not believe it for reasons quoted.
 
tino said:
So I just checked. The other non-spoiler thread moved 351 posts in the last 24 hours, this thread has posted 2174 posts in the same period. It should catch up to the official thread by Saturday. ;)
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Can I make the "OT2" Spoiler thread please, since we're almost at the half-way point of 20,000 posts? Though I'd need some people to help me with a sort of comic idea.
 
Y2Kev said:
Gosh, I hate this theory. So strained!
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It doesn't do anything except give hope to the ones in denial. If Shep has been indoctrinated and everything after the red beam is a dream, then Shep is on Earth unconscious or dead while the entire galaxy is being destroyed

\/\/\/ The indoctrination has begun.
 
EatChildren said:
I don't believe it because it requires a huge leap of faith that BioWare's lead writers, superficially Matt Walters, are not suspect to god awful plot threads, incomplete narrative arcs, and inconsistent themes. Walters work on Mass Effect 2 and the several comics refutes this belief.

Mass Effect's best writers are all the people writing the dialogue, characters and smaller stories. Walters fucking sucks.
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I meant "specifically" and "Mac Walters". All you loons are ruining my brain thinks.
 
heliosRAzi said:
It doesn't do anything except give hope to the ones in denial. If Shep has been indoctrinated and everything after the red beam is a dream, then Shep is on Earth unconscious or dead while the entire galaxy is being destroyed

\/\/\/ The indoctrination has begun.
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They just need something t believe in
 
darkpaladinmfc said:
As bad as the ending is, the music and scenery set an awesome tone.
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Yeah, and I liked how when first playing the ending, I thought no matter what Shepard would have to die to stop the war.

I just didn't like how our choices didn't matter, it didn't fit the series very well, galactic civilization is fucked, etc.
 
EatChildren said:
I don't believe it because it requires a huge leap of faith that BioWare's lead writers, superficially Matt Walters, are not suspect to god awful plot threads, incomplete narrative arcs, and inconsistent themes. Walters work on Mass Effect 2 and the several comics refutes this belief.

Mass Effect's best writers are all the people writing the dialogue, characters and smaller stories. Walters fucking sucks.
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That'd be easier to believe if I knew exactly who wrote what. Does the Salarian-Turian/Krogan conflict count as the main plot? Because I thought that was all pretty well done. The plot of ME3 in general seems good aside from the ending.

But then again, I never considered ME2 to be as horrible as people like to say, so idk. What is your take of the ME3 plot aside from the ending?
 
Rebel Leader said:
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wall of shame... wall of shame.. SHOW US... THE WALL OF SHAME
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I don't really know what you want on this wall of shame, and I can only assume it's people who liked the ending, which isn't happening.
 
Generic said:
That'd be easier to believe if I knew exactly who wrote what. Does the Salarian-Turian/Krogan conflict count as the main plot? Because I thought that was all pretty well done. The plot of ME3 in general seems good aside from the ending.

But then again, I never considered ME2 to be as horrible as people like to say, so idk. What is your take of the ME3 plot aside from the ending?
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Not the person you are talking too, but.... I liked it very much

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Still no Neogaf vid? me sad
 
Guess my biggest issue with the theory is: Why go this route now? As far as I can remember they've not dabbled in this sort of thing before. Alot of the proof just seem like design/implementation oversights. For instance that Shepard doesn't have a bloodied hand anymore after he takes the space magic elevator.

I'm not saying they aren't capable of doing it(though they might not be), however it just seems off to start doing it now.

Though a tiny bit of me, still wants to believe.
 
Patryn said:
Indoctrination is a hell of a thing, isn't it? Soon enough you'll join us.

Also: What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall of Bioware this week.
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looking at the Twitter account, I think they haven't fully processed the consequences of their choices yet. Or least the choice of the lead writer, or whomever wrote the ending.
Oh well, they'll realize it before the end, when EA closes them in less than three years. I'll be surprised if that doesn't happen, actually.

well, unless indoctrination is real of course. But I fear all it is is Bioware Social indoctrinating itself into believing the ending is actually intelligent.

But by the space ghost, do I want to believe.
does anyone else hear that hum?
 
Zeitgeister said:
looking at the Twitter account, I think they haven't fully processed the consequences of their choices yet. Or least the choice of the lead writer, or whomever wrote the ending.

well, unless indoctrination is real of course. But I fear all it is is Bioware Social indoctrinating itself into believing the ending is actually intelligent.

But by the space ghost, do I want to believe.
does anyone else hear that hum?
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