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[lastplayed]

Boiling Omega down to a "brown rock" is pretty ignorant.

Omega was one of the most interesting places in all of Mass Effect. Showed the seedier Blade Runner side of the universe.

Do you think it'd still be like that once Cerberus took over? I bet it's really boring now.. a brown rock.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

You would think Bioware would respond to the fans and settle this thing once and for all. I mean, if this lame ending is it, at least stand by your game and admit that they see no need to fix anything. I'd feel better about that than what they are currently doing with all this lowbrow, vague mess. Man I was having a great week with the exception of the monstrosity of a bad ending, that is Mass Effect 3.

"Monstrosity", "low brow"... these aren't accurate descriptions of the ending. Try talking to all of your crew throughout the game, get the DLC character, don't rush through conversations. Not saying you did all that but to call it low brow isn't accurate at all.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

This was already implied. There were how many mentions during the game about 'cycles' and 'every 50,000 years things start anew'?

That was explicitly about the Reapers, not AI.

As for Javik, his conversations could imply it, but one could merely look at Javik as an extreme cynic anyway. He actively talks down to several races, seems to see no hope, and is incredibly arrogant. Of course he would say "AI is bad news." So would most quarians. But would every player's Commander Shepard, especially the ones who managed to unify the quarians and geth? From the start of the trilogy they've been making the geth sympathetic.

No, Javik doesn't "fix" the ending at all.

 

[Vire]

Do you think it'd still be like that once Cerberus took over? I bet it's really boring now.. a brown rock.

Not at all. If anything it would be total chaos.

The inhabitants of Omega aren't ones to bend over and take it.

 

[Moaradin]

It's also ironic because the cerberus troops alone in this game have more uniqueness than pretty much all the enemies in ME1 and ME2, in terms of enemy design.

 

[Karak]

You would think Bioware would respond to the fans and settle this thing once and for all. I mean, if this lame ending is it, at least stand by your game and admit that they see no need to fix anything. I'd feel better about that than what they are currently doing with all this lowbrow, vague mess. Man I was having a great week with the exception of the monstrosity of a bad ending, that is Mass Effect 3.

How dare you feel this way! Total hyperbole I can't-oh wait. Ya you are right

I am sure we will hear something about it soon.

 

[EatChildren]

Gonna buy and play the shit out of Take Back Omega DLC, and love every second.

You would think Bioware would respond to the fans and settle this thing once and for all. I mean, if this lame ending is it, at least stand by your game and admit that they see no need to fix anything. I'd feel better about that than what they are currently doing with all this lowbrow, vague mess. Man I was having a great week with the exception of the monstrosity of a bad ending, that is Mass Effect 3.

They don't respond because not responding harbours intrigue, mystery and discussion, which I believe was their goal with the multiple open plot threads left once the game boots you back to the Normandy. Is Shepard alive? How do people communicate and travel with no relays? What happens to all the species? Will the Reapers return if they weren't destroyed? What does synthesis entail? What happened to your crew, and how will they survive on this new planet? What's the deal with the stargazer, does he really not know about the rest of the galaxy?

It's the end of a long running trilogy set in an established universe. They wanted to end on an open, thought provoking note as it keeps their fan base guessing, theorising and speculating. They won't confirm the possibility that Shepard was indoctrinated because that's up to you to decide. It's your adventure after all!

 

[Rebel Leader]

Not at all. If anything it would be total chaos.

The inhabitants of Omega aren't ones to bend over and take it.

Indeed they are not :lol

 

[bigace33]

"Monstrosity", "low brow"... these aren't accurate descriptions of the ending. Try talking to all of your crew throughout the game, get the DLC character, don't rush through conversations. Not saying you did all that but to call it low brow isn't accurate at all.

Oh I talked to my crew, I actually love the game itself, I'm talking strictly about that anticlimactic ending. I wouldn't even mind if Shep died, at least make it a decent ending that tie up things better than that mangled mess we got.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

That was explicitly about the Reapers, not AI.

As for Javik, his conversations do imply it, but one could merely look at Javik as an extreme cynic anyway. He actively talks down to several races, seems to see no hope, and is incredibly arrogant. Of course he would say "AI is bad news." So would most quarians. But would every player's Commander Shepard, especially the ones who managed to unify the quarians and geth? From the start of the trilogy they've been making the geth sympathetic.

I didn't find Javik arrogant at all. He was a realist... he spoke with unquestionable honesty. How many times did he do say the line "should I answer that by saying what you want to hear?"... he was brutally honest, not arrogant. If you spoke with him after every mission/event like I did you would have come to the same realization. There was no cynicism in his words, he was speaking from experience.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

It's also ironic because the cerberus troops alone in this game have more uniqueness than pretty much all the enemies in ME1 and ME2, in terms of enemy design.

More unique than Geth/Blue Suns/Eclipse/Blood Pack? Why? They all have classes and are faceless cannon fodder. They might as well be the same group

 

[Rebel Leader]

That was explicitly about the Reapers, not AI.

As for Javik, his conversations could imply it, but one could merely look at Javik as an extreme cynic anyway. He actively talks down to several races, seems to see no hope, and is incredibly arrogant. Of course he would say "AI is bad news." So would most quarians. But would every player's Commander Shepard, especially the ones who managed to unify the quarians and geth? From the start of the trilogy they've been making the geth sympathetic.

No, Javik doesn't "fix" the ending at all.

I would of been less angry about the ending if I had javilk before

 

[yami4ct]

Gonna buy and play the shit out of Take Back Omega DLC, and love every second.



They don't respond because not responding harbours intrigue, mystery and discussion, which I believe was their goal with the multiple open plot threads left once the game boots you back to the Normandy. Is Shepard alive? How do people communicate and travel with no relays? What happens to all the species? Will the Reapers return if they weren't destroyed? What does synthesis entail? What happened to your crew, and how will they survive on this new planet? What's the deal with the stargazer, does he really not know about the rest of the galaxy?

It's the end of a long running trilogy set in an established universe. They wanted to end on an open, thought provoking note as it keeps their fan base guessing, theorising and speculating. They won't confirm the possibility that Shepard was indoctrinated because that's up to you to decide. It's your adventure after all!

Also, you have to imagine this is the new universe that they're setting up for their next mass effect trilogy. Answering all of it now would spoil all the surprises they have for the next set of games.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I didn't find Javik arrogant at all. He was a realist... he spoke with unquestionable honesty. How many times did he do say the line "should I answer that by saying what you want to hear?"... he was brutally honest, not arrogant.

Don't go off on a tangent.

 

[therealminime]

I just learned that the stargazer was voiced by Buzz Aldrin. That explains the quality of the voice acting.

 

[Karak]

Gonna buy and play the shit out of Take Back Omega DLC, and love every second.



They don't respond because not responding harbours intrigue, mystery and discussion, which I believe was their goal with the multiple open plot threads left once the game boots you back to the Normandy. Is Shepard alive? How do people communicate and travel with no relays? What happens to all the species? Will the Reapers return if they weren't destroyed? What does synthesis entail? What happened to your crew, and how will they survive on this new planet? What's the deal with the stargazer, does he really not know about the rest of the galaxy?

It's the end of a long running trilogy set in an established universe. They wanted to end on an open, thought provoking note as it keeps their fan base guessing, theorising and speculating. They won't confirm the possibility that Shepard was indoctrinated because that's up to you to decide. It's your adventure after all!

You mean its your starvation and death...

 

[dragonelite]

I'm eating a muffin now. Thinkin' of sexbot EDI.

Does the muffin has a cameltoe

 

[Sojgat]

ME2 is a much better game. I might try playing on the action setting later. Has anyone mentioned how bad the ending of this game sucks recently?

 

[Moaradin]

More unique than Geth/Blue Suns/Eclipse/Blood Pack? Why? They all have classes and are faceless cannon fodder. They might as well be the same group

Talking strictly mechanically. All the enemies in ME1 were practically the same thing with a different skins and slight variations. Every type of enemy in ME3 each has it's own unique tactics and skills. It makes the combat much more fun and enjoyable when there is more things being involved.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Don't go off on a tangent.

How was that a tangent? You called him arrogant and a cynic and I refuted that.

I didn't find Javik arrogant at all. He was a realist... he spoke with unquestionable honesty. How many times did he do say the line "should I answer that by saying what you want to hear?"... he was brutally honest, not arrogant. If you spoke with him after every mission/event like I did you would have come to the same realization. There was no cynicism in his words, he was speaking from experience.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

If you spoke with him after every mission/event like I did you would have come to the same realization. There was no cynicism in his words, he was speaking from experience.

You really need to stop this. We're not dumb.

How was that a tangent? You called him arrogant and a cynic and I refuted that.

I admit that "proud" would have been better than arrogant, but he's still unquestionably cynical.

Also, my point was that his perspective doesn't set up the ending any more than the rest of the trilogy refutes it.

 

[EatChildren]

It's also ironic because the cerberus troops alone in this game have more uniqueness than pretty much all the enemies in ME1 and ME2, in terms of enemy design.

I love ME3's enemy variety. So much to shoot.

You mean its your starvation and death...

I just ate a pie and muffin. I ain't starving.

 

[Rebel Leader]

I love ME3's enemy variety. So much to shoot.

I hate the banshees and those krogan(?) reapers... but oh how fun they are

 

[Rokam]

How come the Reapers didn't reaperize any Salarians? Jerks.

 

[Moaradin]

How come the Reapers didn't reaperize any Salarians? Jerks.

They used to eat flies you know.

 

[yami4ct]

You really need to stop this. We're not dumb.



I admit that "proud" would have been better than arrogant, but he's still unquestionably cynical.

Also, my point was that his perspective doesn't set up the ending any more than the rest of the trilogy refutes it.

I find it really speaks to the quality of writing in the rest of the game that two people can look at the same character and come up with different, but equally valid, interpretations of the character's personality.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

You really need to stop this. We're not dumb.



I admit that "proud" would have been better than arrogant, but he's still unquestionably cynical.

Also, my point was that his perspective doesn't set up the ending any more than the rest of the trilogy refutes it.

Does he or does he not mention multiple times how AI/synthetics will always rise up and destroy organic life? That's the bottom line. Call him a cynic, arrogant, whatever, but nothing about those specific statements could be construed in that manner.

 

[Karak]

I love

I just ate a pie and muffin. I ain't starving.

No but you are a god damned pig hahahahahaha!
Leave the children alone!

 

[ElectricBlue187]

How come the Reapers didn't reaperize any Salarians? Jerks.

How come the Blood Pack/Blue Suns/ Eclipse agreed to help Shepard after he murdered like 200,000 of their members like 6 months ago

 

[CrazyDude]

He really should have been included. I mean he does add a lot, you get insight into what his time was like, what was the same, what was different. You get his views on everything which can affect how you feel about the ending and what choices you make through the game because his people have gone through all this before.

But nah, let's make him a DLC character.

He has more in dialogue than Ashley does.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Does he or does he not mention multiple times how AI/synthetics will always rise up and destroy organic life? That's the bottom line. Call him a cynic, arrogant, whatever, but nothing about those specific statements could be construed in that manner.

He tells you that you can't trust AI and that you should blow Legion out an airlock because it will try to murder you. That's cynical to a tee. Given that you know you CAN trust Legion, why should I believe anything he says?

Experience trumps his words.

 

[bigace33]

You really need to stop this. We're not dumb.



I admit that "proud" would have been better than arrogant, but he's still unquestionably cynical.

Also, my point was that his perspective doesn't set up the ending any more than the rest of the trilogy refutes it.

He's sort of like the Terminator. He's not intentionally trying to be an idiot, but what he is about is truth, and his delivery is no holds barred. He absolutely destroys Liara on Thessia, and he makes mention that he would be like a God over the Hanar (those squid looking creatures). The guy is a warrior and a realist. The only person he respects is Shepard.

 

[Vire]

How come the Reapers didn't reaperize any Salarians? Jerks.

The Salarians aren't exactly helpful in terms of their physical prowess. The Salarians used the Krogans for a reason.

 

[shingonation]

Replaying the game, at Grissom Academy right now.

Damn, game's too good, I can't but hope that the rumor about the True Ending DLC is true.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

He tells you that you can't trust AI and that you should blow Legion out an airlock because it will try to murder you. That's cynical to a tee. Given that you know you CAN trust Legion, why should I believe anything he says?

That's a gross simplification and was only one of the conversations. And remember, he has knowledge about past cycles and what happened to end them and he goes into specifics about it.

 

[yami4ct]

How come the Reapers didn't reaperize any Salarians? Jerks.

Serious answer to a joke question, it seems like the Reapers want species that are not only technologically advanced, but have a good fighting capacity to form their capital ships. Sure, Salarian's are great at covert, assassination type work, but that wouldn't translate to a huge capitol ship. Not a lot of stealth/subtlety there.

 

[exYle]

How come the Reapers didn't reaperize any Salarians? Jerks.

I can't imagine they'd be able to make them that different from either a Marauder or Husk.

 

[dragonelite]

No but you are a god damned pig hahahahahaha!
Leave the children alone!

only if they stop using space magic

 

[EmCeeGramr]

That's a gross simplification and was only one of the conversations.

He's still unquestionably wrong. Why should I listen to someone who's proven wrong?

Why should someone who's proven wrong be the "correct" answer for a trilogy that's actively and soundly refuted his idea over the last three games?

 

[Dresden]

Does he or does he not mention multiple times how AI/synthetics will always rise up and destroy organic life? That's the bottom line. Call him a cynic, arrogant, whatever, but nothing about those specific statements could be construed in that manner.

We're just supposed to believe him? C'mon.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

He's still unquestionably wrong. Why should I listen to someone who's proven wrong?

You reply too fast and ninja my edits. I added this:

And remember, he has knowledge about past cycles and what happened to end them and he goes into specifics about it. What reason would he have to lie about the history of the past cycles?

And also "proven wrong" about Legion, who he's had barely any contact with... he wasn't around in the past games.

 

[Rodney McKay]

Does he or does he not mention multiple times how AI/synthetics will always rise up and destroy organic life? That's the bottom line. Call him a cynic, arrogant, whatever, but nothing about those specific statements could be construed in that manner.

Isn't he paid DLC? Seems like if you want any context for the ending BEFORE the last 5 minutes you need to pay Bioware either for the expensive Collector's Edition or the DLC itself.

 

[MisterNugNug]

I don't believe you were indoctrinated the entire time. Just when you get knocked out on Earth and that giant reaper is standing above you.

Let me get this straight, you've got the leader of the united alien races lying on the ground in front of you. Instead of killing the MOTHERFUCKER, you opt to indoctrinate him/her?

 

[sdornan]

I wonder what vent kid would have looked like turned into a Reaper.

 

[bigace33]

We're just supposed to believe him? C'mon.

The guy has been around when most of the races were in their infancy. Everything he said was pretty much spot on.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

I wonder what vent kid would have looked like turned into a Reaper.

child space zombies are always the creepiest, they are smaller targets so they are harder to hit

 

[Enduin]

Javik mentioned/implied it multiple times.

I spoke with every single crew member after every single mission, even non-priority missions, so many people might have missed this. Or maybe didn't have the DLC character.

That is something people should be angry about... to have such an integral part of the backstory as DLC. Inexcusable.


Exactly. This should be in the OP.

As great and integral Javik is to the experience, nothing he says vindicates the Catalysts statements that Synthetics will always rebel against their creators and seek to wipe out every and all organic life in the galaxy without exception.

Yes the Protheans were engaged in a bitter war with their own synthetic creations when the Reapers arrived, but that is one single example which does not establish an inevitability and it is totally countered by the Geth themselves who made it clear they had no desire to destroy organics, and EDI as well showed she had no desire to kill organics and in fact fell in love with one.

The Reapers have come and gone probably more than a thousand times, over at least 37 million years, and outside a single remark by Javik theres nothing else within the series that supports or even hints at this idea of inevitable conflict between Synthetics vs. Organics leading to the extinction of all organic life.

What the series has shown is quite the opposite and that people and races, organic and synthetic, are not bound by fate or inevitability and have it within them to decide their own fate, forgiving past transgressions and working with those who were once enemies in a common cause.

 

[Karak]

I wonder what vent kid would have looked like turned into a Reaper.

Exactly like Sovereign. Simply because Bioware would make him look that way and make you guess how it happened.

 

[yami4ct]

Let me get this straight, you've got the leader of the united alien races lying on the ground in front of you. Instead of killing the MOTHERFUCKER, you opt to indoctrinate him/her?

I don't personally buy the indoctrination theory, but turning him into your slave would make quite a bit of sense. These races would be much more accepting of your outcome if they knew their galactic hero was the one that put it into action.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

You reply too fast and ninja my edits. I added this:

And remember, he has knowledge about past cycles and what happened to end them and he goes into specifics about it. What reason would he have to lie about the history of the past cycles?

And also "proven wrong" about Legion, who he's had barely any contact with... he wasn't around in the past games.

Okay, I honestly can't recall.

He mentions the zha'til in his cycle, and then the Reapers coming. I can't remember him ever mentioning that past cycles were explicitly ended by any synthetics other than... the Reapers. Really, what are these other times he goes into specifics about?