The Walking Dead - Season 2 - Sundays on AMC

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DeathNote said:
Since when has a zombie been able to jump/fly 20 feet? Relying on his son to call out is a valid option. Except his son froze and raised his gun at it. The whole time Carl had his gun up, he assumed Shane was still laying on the ground.

Rick seeing it for himself is needed. There is great reason not to put a bullet through the head before getting to see.
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Haha, I wanted to scream at the TV for the kid to say something. Damn, that character is annoying.
 
Night_Trekker said:
Even considering the plot convenient nature of the zombification time lapse?

Here's an idea: if you know Shane's body may turn into a zombie, why not maneuver yourself so you can see the corpse and your son? Is Rick locked into a 2D plane?

If Rick knows about the zombification process, his behavior doesn't make sense. In fact, there would be no reason at all not to put a bullet through The Corpse Formerly Known as Shane's skull before he can rise again. Except for the script declaring that things must play out like it did. (And aside from all that, you have the problem of Carl not saying, "Look out!" just to add more Drama to the scene. There's no excuse for that except bad writing, just like with Dale's death scene.)

I think it makes a lot more sense if he doesn't know Shane will turn. But we'll find out for sure in the next episode.
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All I can say is that it's good and well to think and be able to make logical decisions for Rick from behind a keyboard, but that scene was meant to embody the exact opposite of logical thinking and planning.

You just killed your best friend. Your son is in the middle of this field and just saw you kill your best friend. Emotions win out in almost all cases in that scenario and all you can think about is trying to explain to your son so that he can understand that you're not a cold-blood murdering psycho and what was done had to be done.

I'm sure if Carl hadn't shown up within those next 5 minutes, Rick had every intention to put a bullet through Shane's brain before he left the field. He also may or may not wanted to have tested out the idea of what we think Jenner told him at the CDC.

Carl was probably in shock and couldn't believe what he was seeing with Walker Shane. I don't really see the big deal with that.

The only thing that bothered me was the terrible editing that resulted in Carl looking like a marksman being able to take out Shane from a little bit further than he should have. Just that entire scene since right before Walker Shane gets up to geting headshot'd by Carl was just baffling in terms of how that editing job made the final cut.
 
Enco said:
Enjoyed the ep but it wasn't great or anything.

Mega :lol at Carl. Everything he has done recently has been a complete joke.

Also a big wtf at how he got a clean head shot from that distance.
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In the episode where everyone is training with the guns it's revealed that Carl is a surprisingly good shot.

Plus, Shane gave him that pep talk about manning up and killing zombies. Nice turn-around there.
 
Night_Trekker said:
Jumping and flying? Huh? It shambled pretty quickly and silently after Rick. That's what zombies do in this show when you're not paying any attention. Rick's behavior is not what you would do if you knew the corpse to your back might suddenly come after you. (Not in a well-written show.) What was Rick thinking? "It probably won't resurrect while I have my back turned, so I don't have to worry. And even if it does, it won't move fast, so once again, I am safe to ignore it." Or was he so absorbed in Carl that he forgot? Was he so absorbed that he forgot the zombie could be a threat to Carl as well? How much more sense does that make? Sure, it's possible Rick knew (and, again, we'll find out in the next episode), but if that's the case, the scene's an even bigger mess.

I think its just as likely Rick didn't know and was looking at Shane with regret and sadness, trying to deal with what he had just done. Rick probably would have had his gun out at least (and he didn't) if he were waiting for Shane to come back, right?

And what's the explanation behind Carl not saying anything (which would have ended the threat just as quickly as Rick turned and fired his own gun, which he has a lot more practice using)? If Carl couldn't speak, he could point. Aside from his silence making the scene more dramatically ambiguous, and aside from things playing out this way so Rick and Carl both "kill" Shane the way Kirkmann and co. wanted... it doesn't make much sense. And again, neither does the headshot at that distance by an amateur.

But things that happen in TWD often make no sense.
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It walked slowly, there was quite a bit of distance between them (key), there was another person facing Shane with a gun.

Turning your back, alone, unarmed, and staying near the body is what wouldn't make sense if Rick knew. Which he did not do.

It's not hard.
 
Night_Trekker said:
Jumping and flying? Huh? It shambled pretty quickly and silently after Rick. That's what zombies do in this show when you're not paying any attention. Rick's behavior is not what you would do if you knew the corpse to your back might suddenly come after you. (Not in a well-written show.) What was Rick thinking? "It probably won't resurrect while I have my back turned, so I don't have to worry. And even if it does, it won't move fast, so once again, I am safe to ignore it." Or was he so absorbed in Carl that he forgot? Was he so absorbed that he forgot the zombie could be a threat to Carl as well? How much more sense does that make? Sure, it's possible Rick knew (and, again, we'll find out in the next episode), but if that's the case, the scene's an even bigger mess.

I think its just as likely Rick didn't know and was looking at Shane with regret and sadness, trying to deal with what he had just done. Rick probably would have had his gun out at least (and he didn't) if he were waiting for Shane to come back, right?

And what's the explanation behind Carl not saying anything (which would have ended the threat just as quickly as Rick turned and fired his own gun, which he has a lot more practice using)? If Carl couldn't speak, he could point. Aside from his silence making the scene more dramatically ambiguous, and aside from things playing out this way so Rick and Carl both "kill" Shane the way Kirkmann and co. wanted... it doesn't make much sense. And again, neither does the headshot at that distance by an amateur.

But things that happen in TWD often make no sense.
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I don't think that them not thinking about why Rick wouldn't "hear" Shane is the most realistic conclusion. There are several more likely ones. One is that Rick doesn't know that people can change to zombies without being bitten. The other, which I think is more likely, is that his ears are ringing, his pulse is racing, and he's not feeling or hearing much of anything due to having to murder his best friend with a knife several minutes before. Call me crazy, but most people are probably not going to think clearly after stabbing someone in the chest that was very close to them.
 
andycapps said:
I don't think that them not thinking about why Rick wouldn't "hear" Shane is the most realistic conclusion. There are several more likely ones. One is that Rick doesn't know that people can change to zombies without being bitten. The other, which I think is more likely, is that his ears are ringing, his pulse is racing, and he's not feeling or hearing much of anything due to having to murder his best friend with a knife several minutes before. Call me crazy, but most people are probably not going to think clearly after stabbing someone in the chest that was very close to them.
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I agree, but I think it's more the fact that his son was so far away, and there's no reason to be afraid of a zombie at that distance facing the zombie or back turned when someone else has the corpse in the field of vision.

Carl not saying anything and taking so long to shoot was suspense for Rick and the audience.
 
DeathNote said:
I agree, but I think it's more the fact that his son was so far away, and there's no reason to be afraid of a zombie at that distance facing the zombie or back turned when someone else has the corpse in the field of vision.

Carl not saying anything and taking so long to shoot was suspense for Rick and the audience.
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That's another explanation, sure. To say that the writers just didn't think about it is a bit dense and looking for problems where there aren't any.
 
Kyoufu said:
What would characters like Daryl do to make the show interesting? Shane opposing Rick was actually interesting.
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Aside from Daryl being a better character and having a better actor in general:

Kirkman interview:
THR: What does Shane's death mean for Daryl, especially knowing that Merle is still out there?
Kirkman: There's two different aspects of Shane's role: the adversarial aspect and the partner aspect. Whether Daryl starts to move more toward the partner side of things or the adversary side of things is something that we're just going to have to watch for. Rick is going to have to lean on Daryl a little bit more in order to keep his group running. Whether or not Daryl responds to that remains to be seen.
 
Kyoufu said:
What would characters like Daryl do to make the show interesting? Shane opposing Rick was actually interesting.
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I wouldn't look at it that way. A lot of the interesting moments can come from what happens to the group and who either bites the dust, or who takes charge of the situation. Who becomes a badass when the situation goes south. Daryl has plenty of opportunities for that.
 
The Lamonster said:
First they'll assassinate his character. He'll rape that short haired woman or something retarded like that.

Then they'll kill him off.
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I couldn't care less if any of the other characters die, but man, do not kill Daryl Dixon. I want to see some more zombie killing squad action with Daryl, T-Dog, Andrea and maybe Rick taking Shane's place. Though Rick would probably have to sleep on it first.
 
EYEL1NER said:
If only that were true.
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It is though. I only posted because that was actually a good episode. Now that the reason to watch the show is no more, I'll stop caring about which useless and annoying character dies next.

Also:

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I don't quite understand what people find confusing about people coming back from the dead without being bitten. Isn't it like that in most zombie lore? If someone dies they become a zombie. That's why there's images of them coming out of the ground from their graves.
 
woolley said:
I don't quite understand what people find confusing about people coming back from the dead without being bitten. Isn't it like that in most zombie lore? If someone dies they become a zombie. That's why there's images of them coming out of the ground from their graves.
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That's the cosmic ray, mysterious meteorite type of zombie cause, wherein some strange radiation or purple moonlight or other silly thing is the cause of the global zombieism. Most often these events have a very short window and getting bitten doesn't necessarily turn you into a zombie. The Walking Dead follows the infection rules, and in that case, having the virus be airborne and everyone coming back once they die is pretty radical in the infection sub-genre.
 
woolley said:
I don't quite understand what people find confusing about people coming back from the dead without being bitten. Isn't it like that in most zombie lore? If someone dies they become a zombie. That's why there's images of them coming out of the ground from their graves.
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It's like that in some zombie lore. I don't know about most though.
 
woolley said:
I don't quite understand what people find confusing about people coming back from the dead without being bitten. Isn't it like that in most zombie lore? If someone dies they become a zombie. That's why there's images of them coming out of the ground from their graves.
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It is common in zombie lore? I had no idea really.
The whole living dead from the grave is one of those things that I'm not a fan of.
Want to kill a zombie? Shoot him in the head so the brain is destroyed. But those zombies that rise from their graves, won't their brains be way too rotten, if present at all?
 
Westraid said:
It is common in zombie lore? I had no idea really.
The whole living dead from the grave is one of those things that I'm not a fan of.
Want to kill a zombie? Shoot him in the head so the brain is destroyed. But those zombies that rise from their graves, won't their brains be way too rotten, if present at all?
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the lesson here is that people need to stop analysing goddamn fucking zombie lore like it's real lol.
 
I think in most zombie movies people die almost always by zombie and less from gunshot/natural causes so it's hard to say. I think recent science zombies movies needed people to be bit to be infected. But if you're talking about original "necromancer" stories and stuff like Night of the Living Dead, then yes anyone who dies and the recently dead become zombies.
 
TheSeks said:
No1currs. Bye gurls.

And how can you hate Daryl. How can you!?
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Come on, son. You know Daryls don't really exist in the world. They're either scruffy and ignorant or scruff and stupid. There's never a charming redneck. I mean...Christ...our region disproves the show.
 
If you know anything about Romero ("The Godfather of Zombies") Zombies, it has been pretty obvious this whole based on how they act (slow, not intelligent) and how fast it has spread across USA and whatever other country that anyone who dies becomes a zombie.

On one hand, it's almost weird and insulting that it was a major "reveal" this late.

I think recently people have liked to do O'Bannon Zombies (contact infection only) because they are more intelligent and they focus on a group of survivors.

Edit: Edit, tho I guess it's smart to make you unsure of which to play homage. I guess season 1 was just too short because the timing of the reveal feels weird.
 
Speaking of Romero, I would be totally okay if this entire episode took place in the farmhouse during a siege by zombies...basically a big homage to the father.

But then again, I saw a daylight running scene in the trailer, so maybe not.
 
They did, which makes me wonder who this guy is exactly that has been spoiling these with such great detail, and is always spot on. I just assumed he was a critic spoiling is advanced screenings but if he is right about this one as well, then he isn't a critic? Must have access to the script.

Either way, I caved and saw the spoilers and if the episode matches them which it likely will, awesome fucking shit.
 
DeathNote said:
If you know anything about Romero ("The Godfather of Zombies") Zombies, it has been pretty obvious this whole based on how they act (slow, not intelligent) and how fast it has spread across USA and whatever other country that anyone who dies becomes a zombie.

On one hand, it's almost weird and insulting that it was a major "reveal" this late.

I think recently people have liked to do O'Bannon Zombies (contact infection only) because they are more intelligent and they focus on a group of survivors.

Edit: Edit, tho I guess it's smart to make you unsure of which to play homage. I guess season 1 was just too short because the timing of the reveal feels weird.
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Who knows, it's possible there's more involved with it. Perhaps the one thing Jenner noticed during his tests, was the virus/disease was changing/mutating, and it was leading to "everyone's a carrier" where as it started off as a contact only strain. Cause really, there were alot of dead bodies around, in cars and in the city, that didn't "come back." Maybe they'll explain that, though they probably won't.




The Spoiler is either someone who knows someone that works on the set, or him/herself work on the set.

It's one thing to have observational knowledge of whats going on (by watching them film), but what's coming out reads like a synopsis. Well, the stuff I saw for the previous 2 episodes. Still have managed to avoid the finale.
 
Eggplant Wizard said:
Apparently AMC isn't sending out screeners for the finale to avoid spoilers from getting out. Really hoping it's a good one.

So the finale is just an hour long, right?
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As everyone else has pointed out, they've apparently already leaked. Yes, the finale is one hour long. Might be a few minutes over.


-Pyromaniac- said:
TEither way, I caved and saw the spoilers
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I'm shocked by this turn of events. :P

It's as good a time as ever to remind people to please use the spoiler thread if you want to talk about script leaks. Don't do it here. Thank you.
 
Cornballer said:
As everyone else has pointed out, they've apparently already leaked. Yes, the finale is one hour long. Might be a few minutes over.


I'm shocked by this turn of events. :P

It's as good a time as ever to remind people to please use the spoiler thread if you want to talk about script leaks. Don't do it here. Thank you.
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hahaha, well I obviously haven't posted in this thread for a couple of days for a reason. Didn't even want to imply anything by accident or something.

I don't know, I can't not look at spoilers when it comes to this show, but then I watch some other random tv show that is much less crazy shit oriented like mad men, and I'd never read spoilers for mad men, lol.
 
Lonestar said:
Who knows, it's possible there's more involved with it. Perhaps the one thing Jenner noticed during his tests, was the virus/disease was changing/mutating, and it was leading to "everyone's a carrier" where as it started off as a contact only strain. Cause really, there were alot of dead bodies around, in cars and in the city, that didn't "come back." Maybe they'll explain that, though they probably won't.
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I don't remember that. Any screen shots or a video of the dead unchanged humans?
 
Lonestar said:
Who knows, it's possible there's more involved with it. Perhaps the one thing Jenner noticed during his tests, was the virus/disease was changing/mutating, and it was leading to "everyone's a carrier" where as it started off as a contact only strain. Cause really, there were alot of dead bodies around, in cars and in the city, that didn't "come back." Maybe they'll explain that, though they probably won't.
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That's where I'm thinking what Jenner whispered to Rick comes in to play. When Jenner was running the blood tests on the survivors it sure seemed like something struck him. Maybe the virus is mutating or something. Because all the dead bodies that have been lying around that didn't come back would be a pretty big plot hole.

I've managed to stay spoiler free so far this season, except for Shane's fate which someone at another forum casually tossed out there the day the episode aired.
 
Revolver said:
That's where I'm thinking what Jenner whispered to Rick comes in to play. When Jenner was running the blood tests on the survivors it sure seemed like something struck him. Maybe the virus is mutating or something. Because all the dead bodies that have been lying around that didn't come back would be a pretty big plot hole.

I've managed to stay spoiler free so far this season, except for Shane's fate which someone at another forum casually tossed out there the day the episode aired.
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What are you guys talking about. Everything has a head shot.

The military we see shooting living people in the hospital were even doing head shots after they killed them.
 
DeathNote said:
What are you guys talking about. Everything has a head shot.

The military we see shooting living people in the hospital were even doing head shots after they killed them.
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Maybe he means the ones inside the cars in the highway. But, they look rather bad, all dry and maybe with some kind of brain damage (dehydration can fuck up a brain, and the brain need to be intact to reanimate the corpse)
 
Dai101 said:
Maybe he means the ones inside the cars in the highway. But, they look rather bad, all dry and maybe with some kind of brain damage (dehydration can fuck up a brain, and the brain need to be intact to reanimate the corpse)
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It's just something we're gonna have to accept. Like how all the lawns on the show stay mowed by some magical force.
 
Volimar said:
The Walking Dead follows the infection rules, and in that case, having the virus be airborne and everyone coming back once they die is pretty radical in the infection sub-genre.
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Coming back no matter how you die is the only logical way for a widespread zombie outbreak to occur, if you think about it. If it takes a bite to be infected, then you'd need to be bitten but be able to escape long enough to turn into a zombie. Otherwise, you'd have so much of your body eaten up that you wouldn't turn, or wouldn't pose much threat if you do. At best, you'd be able to crawl around with half a torso. Zombies would have a self-limiting population; the bigger a horde gets, the harder it is for someone to escape complete devourment and add to the numbers.
 
Dai101 said:
Maybe he means the ones inside the cars in the highway. But, they look rather bad, all dry and maybe with some kind of brain damage (dehydration can fuck up a brain, and the brain need to be intact to reanimate the corpse)
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From this interview with Robert Kirkman
TVLINE | This does raise the question about the dead bodies in the season-opening traffic jam — why hadn’t they all been turned?
I think if you go back and watch that [sequence you'll see] we were very careful to have them be in cars that were in accidents, so the brain would’ve had trauma. Or they had some kind of wounds somewhere on their heads to show that their brains had been killed, like somebody came across and killed them. We knew that we were building to this throughout the entire season.
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