He basically just says "you weren't in the development team, therefore you do not have any stake in the decision process on how it should be" aka people should not be making normative claims about products. While this is to some extent fine, I think if he played and watched the ending, he would think "oh my, this is just terrible writing."
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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He basically just says "you weren't in the development team, therefore you do not have any stake in the decision process on how it should be" aka people should not be making normative claims about products. While this is to some extent fine, I think if he played and watched the ending, he would think "oh my, this is just terrible writing."
SerArthurDayne
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So I got a pretty cool picture of a Marauder Bro for my new Avatar.
If anyone has access to the assets and know how to layer on a Shields logo (even the Shields bar from Shepard would be fine, and more subtle!) it would be greatly appreciated.
If anyone has access to the assets and know how to layer on a Shields logo (even the Shields bar from Shepard would be fine, and more subtle!) it would be greatly appreciated.
Pollux
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I saw a post on another forum today where someone said they highly doubt the ending is nearly as bad as people are saying, and at first I felt sad, but then I envied his innocence.
I felt the same way, and now I'm one of the leading proponents of the Indoctrination theory on GAF. However, I think I need to speculate further on the hidden meaning of the ending for a little while...
Yeah, pretty much. Joker fleeing? Not the Joker I know.
Which is a fucking dumb point, he shouldn't have been in the game to begin with, why waste resources on creating his DLC when they could be doing something better with whoever else?
Well, Shep tells the kid that organics without hope are basically synthetics, which defeats the purpose of the cycle. Then the kid responds with some stupid shit about "but there is hope," but he's an asshole A.I. who doesn't truly understand. Perhaps Shep should have been more forceful, but he also had a bullet in the gut.
Right but it was stated that Synthesis would, because you are controlling the Reapers and thus all the technology that accompanies them. That the Mass Relays are still destroyed is very silly, I agree.
They HAD to become more important!
Why? Because they are humans and we REALLY REALLY CARE about humans!!!
So I got a pretty cool picture of a Marauder Bro for my new Avatar.
If anyone has access to the assets and know how to layer on a Shields logo (even the Shields bar from Shepard would be fine, and more subtle!) it would be greatly appreciated.
So uh, could someone explain the Marauder Shield thing? I've seen it pop up a few times now here. Is it referencing the Marauder you kill at the end in slow-mo?
I think it's evident that people who like the ending:I saw a post on another forum today where someone said they highly doubt the ending is nearly as bad as people are saying, and at first I felt sad, but then I envied his innocence.
- Didn't play ME1
- Think there is more to it than presented. Speculation.
- Think the other options are different.
He's the final boss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=467pmIX-oZo
Empty Space
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I might be reading too much into thing but I honestly feel Kai Leng was intended to be Shepard's foil. The very first time hes get introduced in the game you see him standing behind the Illusive Man talking about how he has his own solution to the problem. Kai Leng went through a process to rebuild his body like Shepard and is given the same objectives as him on the Citadel, reach the council, and on Thessia, get the beacon. It also get implied via the video logs at the Cerberus base that he has some kind of jealousy towards Shepard when TIM says he still respect Shepard and responding he is better then him.
I think it would have been neat if you got the chance to square off against Kai Leng on all the main missions and he had his own squad and crew. Eva Core could have been their EDI and I'm sure the comics and books have other named operatives the could have used. They have the plans for the Normandy for the SR-2 so they could have had a modified version of it. It would have made an interesting and Cerberus' constant meddling would have had a face.
BannedEpisode
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On a lighter note, the best part of the entire game was shooting down Chobot.
"Hey, how about we keep it professional?"
"Hey, how about we keep it professional?"
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But you still speculate
SerArthurDayne
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Yes. A joke, a funny youtube video, and the final "boss" of the game.
The joke is that he didn't hate you, he wanted to save you from the ending.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=467pmIX-oZo&hd=1
EmCeeGramr
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Well, Shep tells the kid that organics without hope are basically synthetics, which defeats the purpose of the cycle. Then the kid responds with some stupid shit about "but there is hope," but he's an asshole A.I. who doesn't truly understand. Perhaps Shep should have been more forceful, but he also had a bullet in the gut.
Right but it was stated that Synthesis would, because you are controlling the Reapers and thus all the technology that accompanies them. That the Mass Relays are still destroyed is very silly, I agree.
No, he says that the Crucible firing will destroy all relays no matter what decision.
Pollux
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Don't be indoctrinated by the speculation. Resist their control....hold the line!!!
Shining Sunshine
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I think part of the problem was that the original purpose of the reapers was completely different (ie the dark energy storyline).
Bioware, excuse me - Mac Walters -, just decided to create some absurd purpose (synthetics to destroy organics so that organics aren't destroyed by synthetics) without thinking about any of the choices or backstory established leading up to that final scence.
Galactic Civ wouldn't be outright screwed. Except maybe everyone that went to Earth, and anyone out in the galaxy in a small, cut off section (i.e. Alone in the wilderness). Large portions of most populations are still at home. Homes that aren't nearly as crowded (combo Killed by Reapers & Left to go to Battle @ Earth).
Those Civilizations did ok at the home planets for awhile.
For the ones at Earth though...
Figure Survivors on the Planet will do ok-ish, followed by any race of alien that can live off of our food. Which after that battle, I'd expect a large amount of the aliens died in battle. Problems would be if Earth has enough food/supplies left, and what to do with the aliens and their incompatibilities with Earth (whether food, oxygen, etc)
There's also being cut off forever with loved ones that lived elsewhere in the galaxy.
I'm sure I'm missing something else.
Those Civilizations did ok at the home planets for awhile.
For the ones at Earth though...
Figure Survivors on the Planet will do ok-ish, followed by any race of alien that can live off of our food. Which after that battle, I'd expect a large amount of the aliens died in battle. Problems would be if Earth has enough food/supplies left, and what to do with the aliens and their incompatibilities with Earth (whether food, oxygen, etc)
There's also being cut off forever with loved ones that lived elsewhere in the galaxy.
I'm sure I'm missing something else.
ElectricBlue187
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But Kai Leng is a shit non character whose best moment in the game is when shep ripped the omni blade into his abdomen and said "that's for thane!"
zyxwvu4321
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So far, this is the best way I've been able to think of to describe why I hated the ending:
Mass Effect isn't a novel. It's a beautiful, glorious 5,000 page "Choose Your Own Adventure" book ("Release the Rachni Queen? Yes > Page 1873 No > Page 1932"). But then when you get down to the very last choice, they all send you to the same page. Then at the bottom of that page, "Do you want to know what happened to your friends, lover, and the galaxy? Turn to the next page... Use your imagination!"
Mass Effect isn't a novel. It's a beautiful, glorious 5,000 page "Choose Your Own Adventure" book ("Release the Rachni Queen? Yes > Page 1873 No > Page 1932"). But then when you get down to the very last choice, they all send you to the same page. Then at the bottom of that page, "Do you want to know what happened to your friends, lover, and the galaxy? Turn to the next page... Use your imagination!"
Last Hearth
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He's the guy who heroically tried to protect us from the crappy ending.
For me shooting down Kaidan at the cafe was glorious.
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Your speculation of the ending lead you to indoctrination... and you speculate what parts of the game plays to strengthen the indoctrination theory
Escape Goat
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I bought ME1 on steam and holy hell at this targeting. My Shep has the combat accuracy of a stormtrooper and no ammo? Oh lawdy.
Psychoward
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I always lol'd at Kai Leng in-game, but the troll e-mail from Thessia is when I really decided he was awful.
He was decent in the Retribution book however.
He was decent in the Retribution book however.
What was the dark energy storyline? Is there anywhere we can read up about it?
SpectreFire
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Hm, doesn't he warn that picking to destroy all synthetics is specifically what will destroy the Mass Relays? I dunno anymore. I JUST DON'T KNOW.
THIS MOTHERFUCKING ENDING
No I do agree that for all the endings to be strikingly similar is very stupid, because then the choice at the end is just meaningless.
EmCeeGramr
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It's all about heat management and pumping skill points into weapon skills so you have better aiming.
Wait until you start managing loot, taking nonlinear missions, and exploring open worlds in your tank.
The good ol' days
EatChildren
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The big mistake with Kai Leng (unless you really hate the cyborg ninja angle) was that he was characterised in the third book, and not the game. If you didn't read the book you had no idea who he was, his background, his skill, his danger, or how much of a gigantic cunt he is. The book gave his character exposition that the game never bothered with.
I think a lot of those home planets are stripped of resources, and depend on extensive importing from their colonies to survive. Those are going to die by the boatload.
It was mentioned earlier in the thread that the colony planets would likely become new centers of civilization (room to grow, resources to survive on), and I agree.
Karak
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He also really goes to point out that Bioware had no fucking clue about...well...anything even while making the game. Jezuz. What the hell is that all about?!?
Its like they just threw together some shit. I understand that each game takes some input from the previous games, but that is still better handled when you have your set points in place. God damn.
Seat of their mother fucking pants.
LumpOfCole
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Kai Leng could've then busted out his Blastoise right after Shepard tossed out his Charizard right before fighting the Final Four Reapers.
Kai Leng DLC!
Yeah I never read any of the outside material and that dude just came out of nowhere. He had this built-in importance to him that you don't get a good sense of since they never bother to explain him in any way in the game itself. Just that he's some indoctrinated Cerberus ninja guy, basically, which tells us nothing.
ElectricBlue187
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He was in two books. After ME2 I was pretty happy thinking they were just going to ignore the novels. No such luck for ME3
I like my Shepard vaporized!
I answered it earlier, but all choices explode the Mass Relays.
Empty Space
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Hence the missed opportunity I just wrote out. Kai Leng is terrible, but could have been great I the point I was trying to make with information I was given in ME3.
For Thane and Miranda!
It made it more satisfying to put him in his place.
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