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Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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Mr. Patch said:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/15/2696446_p2/trayvon-martin-case-give-do-public.html



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F'A, that was heart breaking to read.

It's was just a kid, all he wanted was candy and drinks only to be gunned down by some random monster.

“I heard someone crying – not boo-hoo crying, but scared or terrified or hurt maybe,” said Mary Cutcher, 31. “To me, it was a child.”
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“This was not self defense,” Cutcher said. “We heard no fighting, no wrestling, no punching. We heard a boy crying. As soon as the shot went off, it stopped, which tells me it was the child crying. If it had been Zimmerman crying, it wouldn’t have stopped. If you’re hurting, you’re hurting.”
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That poor child. The last thing he ever saw was his killer, crying but no one to help. :(
 
Dude Abides said:
So, uh, why didn't the upstanding Sanford PD, who could never be racist or involved in a cover-up, obtain statements from these three witnesses?
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Probably because:

“He felt the need to defend himself,” Lee said. “ I don’t think it was his intent to go and shoot somebody” that night.
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The police chief thinks he's a nice guy. Isn't that normally how arrests are made/not made, gut instinct?
 
Wow at those witness statements. Just wow. Was there any evidence of a fight or even an argument? Would the local pd even be trusted to press charges now considering they let him go without pressing any charges before?
 
I think this is horrible, but I'm a little confused. The women say they didn't see / hear a fight happening but...

Zimmerman had a damp shirt, grass stains, a bloody nose and was bleeding from a wound in back of his head, according to police reports.
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quadriplegicjon said:
According to police. Right now, I don't trust anything they say about this case.
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sounds like something they should take photos/possession of
before/after taking him in for taped questioning
and, i don't know, have a medical examiner check out the wounds
how did non of this happen?
 
“The media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin,” Robert Zimmerman wrote. “When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.”
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Nothing to see here
 
How does this result in zero charges filed? I mean, he was following this kid, called the police who told him to back off and that someone was on the way there, then he confronts the kid and ends up killing him.

You can't claim self defense because you put yourself in that situation. At least two opportunities to 'get away'. 1. Don't follow the kid to begin with. 2. Police told you to stop.

This is pretty bullshit, hope the people who are speaking up are taken seriously and some actual charges are filed. :/
 
KHarvey16 said:
Anyone else like to add their name to the list of people incapable of understanding a position, even when it's repeated for many pages? It's like you're purposely trying hard to not pay any attention to what I'm actually saying.
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I think what is annoying people more than anything is that, after spending days (and well over a hundred posts) admonishing people for drawing conclusions before more facts were available, now that more facts are available, you seem to no longer have anything to say on the matter. No input, no comment on how the new facts might (or might not) affect the analysis, nothing.

It's just a little curious, is all.
 
Roger Danish said:
I think what is annoying people more than anything is that, after spending days (and well over a hundred posts) admonishing people for drawing conclusions before more facts were available, now that more facts are available, you seem to no longer have anything to say on the matter. No input, no comment on how the new facts might (or might not) affect the analysis, nothing.

It's just a little curious, is all.
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I need to come in and tell everyone that, if it turns out to be true, the boy crying for help before being shot in cold blood makes George a murderer? I didn't come in here and comment when the police decided not to charge him either. I figured I left enough detailing my position, but obviously I was wrong.
 
Lactose_Intolerant said:
I was making a joke. The shooter's father basically said the truth hasn't yet been released to the public.
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What the father is saying barely makes sense. Zimmerman reports Martin for walking slowly while wearing a hood ('suspicious behaviour'), before Martin coincidentally chooses to target Zimmerman. Somehow he was able to drag him from the car and onto the street (despite Zimmerman being armed with a gun) and assault him?
...right?
 
Krev said:
What the father is saying barely makes sense. Zimmerman reports Martin for walking slowly while wearing a hood ('suspicious behaviour'), before Martin coincidentally chose to target Zimmerman. Somehow he was able to drag him from the car and onto the street (despite Zimmerman being armed with a gun) and assault him?
...right?
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Yeah. His dad is not making helping him at all. Police reports and 911 say that he did confront the boy and follow him.

His dad saying that those two facts are wrong and imaginary just sheds a bad light on the whole situation.
 
KHarvey16 said:
I need to come in and tell everyone that, if it turns out to be true, the boy crying for help before being shot in cold blood makes George a murderer? I didn't come in here and comment when the police decided not to charge him either. I figured I left enough detailing my position, but obviously I was wrong.
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How delightfully reductive of you.

Jesus, dude. You're the top poster in the thread--and by a country mile. Your position was clear: we should withhold judgment until more information is available. You spent the time to run through countless hypothetical scenarios to show how the facts then available were ambiguous enough to allow Zimmerman's self-defense argument to stand. One would have thought that, with the advent of new developments in the case, you would be nutting your pants at the prospect of introducing these new facts into your extensive analysis.

Do we know "the truth" yet? Do we know ALL the facts? Of course not. Many would argue that the facts we now know weigh rather forcefully against Zimmerman's version of the events of that night--but there are certainly still holes left. Presented with an opportunity to show the posters picking on you that your concerns were genuine--rather than just a trollish desire to play devil's advocate--you instead decided to revert to sarcastically lamenting over and over that no one "gets" you. Nice.
 
Roger Danish said:
How delightfully reductive of you.

Jesus, dude. You're the top poster in the thread--and by a country mile. Your position was clear: we should withhold judgment until more information is available. You spent the time to run through countless hypothetical scenarios to show how the facts then available were ambiguous enough to allow Zimmerman's self-defense argument to stand. One would have thought that, with the advent of new developments in the case, you would be nutting your pants at the prospect of introducing these new facts into your extensive analysis.

Do we know "the truth" yet? Do we know ALL the facts? Of course not. Many would argue that the facts we now know weigh rather forcefully against Zimmerman's version of the events of that night--but there are certainly still holes left. Presented with an opportunity to show the posters picking on you that your concerns were genuine--rather than just a trollish desire to play devil's advocate--you instead decided to revert to sarcastically lamenting over and over that no one "gets" you. Nice.
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The cut of your jib. I like it.
 
KHarvey16 said:
Is this post meant to be ironic?
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no, its not. there is enough probable cause to warrant an arrest despite the claim of self defense.

edit: lemme just break down why there's probable cause.

1) According to a report by the National Center for Victims of Crime, "Virtually any unwanted contact between two people that directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking." we already know this happened from multiple reports, it is a fact. zimmerman trailed the minor in his car. he started the confrontation while being armed with a 9mm handgun. stalking is illegal.

2) Zimmerman's record shows he was arrested before for resisting arrest and battery of a police officer.

3) During his call to the police, Zimmerman said "these assholes always get away", suggesting he has a preconceived prejudice against Trayvon Martin.

4) He ignored dispatch's advice to not confront the person he was following.

are you telling me that these facts are not probable cause to arrest George Zimmerman?
 
Roger Danish said:
How delightfully reductive of you.

Jesus, dude. You're the top poster in the thread--and by a country mile. Your position was clear: we should withhold judgment until more information is available. You spent the time to run through countless hypothetical scenarios to show how the facts then available were ambiguous enough to allow Zimmerman's self-defense argument to stand. One would have thought that, with the advent of new developments in the case, you would be nutting your pants at the prospect of introducing these new facts into your extensive analysis.

Do we know "the truth" yet? Do we know ALL the facts? Of course not. Many would argue that the facts we now know weigh rather forcefully against Zimmerman's version of the events of that night--but there are certainly still holes left. Presented with an opportunity to show the posters picking on you that your concerns were genuine--rather than just a trollish desire to play devil's advocate--you instead decided to revert to sarcastically lamenting over and over that no one "gets" you. Nice.
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Well said. *nods in approval*
 
KHarvey16 said:
Anyone else like to add their name to the list of people incapable of understanding a position, even when it's repeated for many pages? It's like you're purposely trying hard to not pay any attention to what I'm actually saying.
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Your position is understood clear. The sheer arrogance on display while dehumanizing of the issue at hand though, is quite sad. You prance around talking about fallacies and shit and how you'll "win". A child is dead for fucks sake, nobody wins. Your entire body of work in this thread has been that of a self righteous dick.

You go around talking the same shit in every thread you "debate" in about how people are incapable of comprehending your sophomoric attempts at critical thinking, yet fail to see how police procedure was completely circumvented. It's as if even with the mounting evidence towards a cover-up, this thread without absolute confirmation (from those alleged to be covering it up for gods sake) should've sifted to the depths of last page hell.

I honestly hope you wake up someday and stop trying to tout your flawed version of logic around internet message boards in pursuit of victories that'll never be realized.
 
holy fuck, just read this thread. idk but in my opinion a person should be arrested, or at least charged, whether they claim self defence or not, so the claim can be (dis)proven in a court.
 
Department of Justice should be involved in this case if the inept police department can't even correctly interview witnesses. There are 3 independent witnesses that are claiming the boy cried for help before being shot. No arrest yet? Shameful and disgusting.

Zimmerman lied about his criminal record. He disobeyed a police dispatcher to stay in the car. 3 independent witnesses counter his assertion of self-defense. He outweighs the boy by 100 lbs. He murdered an unarmed kid.

No arrest?
 
Roger Danish said:
How delightfully reductive of you.

Jesus, dude. You're the top poster in the thread--and by a country mile. Your position was clear: we should withhold judgment until more information is available. You spent the time to run through countless hypothetical scenarios to show how the facts then available were ambiguous enough to allow Zimmerman's self-defense argument to stand. One would have thought that, with the advent of new developments in the case, you would be nutting your pants at the prospect of introducing these new facts into your extensive analysis.

Do we know "the truth" yet? Do we know ALL the facts? Of course not. Many would argue that the facts we now know weigh rather forcefully against Zimmerman's version of the events of that night--but there are certainly still holes left. Presented with an opportunity to show the posters picking on you that your concerns were genuine--rather than just a trollish desire to play devil's advocate--you instead decided to revert to sarcastically lamenting over and over that no one "gets" you. Nice.
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It's his style in every thread he participated.
 
Damn, saw the bump and thought an arrest had been made. The more time that passes though, the less likely an arrest seems imho.

Roger Danish said:
How delightfully reductive of you.

Jesus, dude. You're the top poster in the thread--and by a country mile. Your position was clear: we should withhold judgment until more information is available. You spent the time to run through countless hypothetical scenarios to show how the facts then available were ambiguous enough to allow Zimmerman's self-defense argument to stand. One would have thought that, with the advent of new developments in the case, you would be nutting your pants at the prospect of introducing these new facts into your extensive analysis.

Do we know "the truth" yet? Do we know ALL the facts? Of course not. Many would argue that the facts we now know weigh rather forcefully against Zimmerman's version of the events of that night--but there are certainly still holes left. Presented with an opportunity to show the posters picking on you that your concerns were genuine--rather than just a trollish desire to play devil's advocate--you instead decided to revert to sarcastically lamenting over and over that no one "gets" you. Nice.
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On Thursday, Zimmerman’s father hand-delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel, disputing widely repeated version of events, saying his Spanish-speaking son is not a racist.

“The media reports of the events are imaginary at best. At no time did George follow or confront Mr. Martin,” Robert Zimmerman wrote. “When the true details of the event become public, and I hope that will be soon, everyone should be outraged by the treatment of George Zimmerman in the media.”


What a fucking liar his dad is.
 
Roger Danish said:
How delightfully reductive of you.

Jesus, dude. You're the top poster in the thread--and by a country mile. Your position was clear: we should withhold judgment until more information is available. You spent the time to run through countless hypothetical scenarios to show how the facts then available were ambiguous enough to allow Zimmerman's self-defense argument to stand. One would have thought that, with the advent of new developments in the case, you would be nutting your pants at the prospect of introducing these new facts into your extensive analysis.

Do we know "the truth" yet? Do we know ALL the facts? Of course not. Many would argue that the facts we now know weigh rather forcefully against Zimmerman's version of the events of that night--but there are certainly still holes left. Presented with an opportunity to show the posters picking on you that your concerns were genuine--rather than just a trollish desire to play devil's advocate--you instead decided to revert to sarcastically lamenting over and over that no one "gets" you. Nice.
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I certainly wasn't being sarcastic and I simply didn't see the need to continue at this point. I'm not gonna come in and just throw out a "told you so" whenever new information comes out strengthening the case in either direction. The implications of every new tidbit seem clear if they turn out to be true, no? I'm sorry you don't like it, but you'll have to get over it. I'd also point out the continual accusations of trolling are getting tired.
 
soundahfekz said:
Your position is understood clear. The sheer arrogance on display while dehumanizing of the issue at hand though, is quite sad. You prance around talking about fallacies and shit and how you'll "win". A child is dead for fucks sake, nobody wins. Your entire body of work in this thread has been that of a self righteous dick.

You go around talking the same shit in every thread you "debate" in about how people are incapable of comprehending your sophomoric attempts at critical thinking, yet fail to see how police procedure was completely circumvented. It's as if even with the mounting evidence towards a cover-up, this thread without absolute confirmation (from those alleged to be covering it up for gods sake) should've sifted to the depths of last page hell.

I honestly hope you wake up someday and stop trying to tout your flawed version of logic around internet message boards in pursuit of victories that'll never be realized.
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And I honestly hope one day you'll be able to come to a conclusion and maintain a position without resorting to emotional reactions and visceral outbursts. The fact you simply don't like my position is enough for you to break out the insults. You can't offer a reasoned critique because you didn't use reason to come up with your criticisms.

The fact that "hey guys, maybe we should wait until more information is available" is enough to elicit such a response is baffling.
 
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