Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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They just might have wanted it that way....They just might have
APZonerunner
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This video is incredibly well presented and incredibly crazy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc
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If they are biosynthetic... They don't have to worry about eating or sleeping?
But full of shit at the same time. Its manipulative with audio super-imposed where it never was, video out of context, etc.
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That, and I would assume they know the logic behind the reapers cycle, and have enough collective intelligence to build their own mass relays fairly easily.
matrix-cat
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Watching the ending again on Youtube it turns out that the Catalyst outlines the Destroy choice, then Control, then Synthesis, and finally says "You have a difficult decision. Releasing the energy of the Crucible will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the Mass Relays". Hearing it again and knowing what happens I see that he means that last bit as an addendum to all the choices, but in the moment I figured that only the Synthesis option would destroy the Relays.
I specifically ruled out that option because I wanted all my bros to be able to get home to their families. And then it turns out all the Relays are destroyed no matter what you do. There's just no explanation for what any of the choices mean. I pictured Synthesis like the weird ending of Neon Genesis Evangelion; how could I possibly have known it would just turn Joker into Robo-Joker?
I specifically ruled out that option because I wanted all my bros to be able to get home to their families. And then it turns out all the Relays are destroyed no matter what you do. There's just no explanation for what any of the choices mean. I pictured Synthesis like the weird ending of Neon Genesis Evangelion; how could I possibly have known it would just turn Joker into Robo-Joker?
Riposte
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I like this, because from 1:00 sort of gave more closure than the actual endings when I watched it after beating the game. I don't know why lol.
Won't work. According to Bioware, it's impossible to sympathize with a non-human character.
Chances are they want him for something.
My theory since ME2's harbinger tried to trade for Shepard's body, is that the reaper creation process may benefit from a great base individual, and they want Shepard to make the best possible human reaper.
But at least you can sleep well now knowing that he can finally fuck EDI.
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Which destroyes nearly all life in that system.. Even the ME3 codex says that
Galaxy doomed either way
UnluckyKate
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No doubt Bioware gave us LOTS os intentional hints about Shepard's possible indoctrination.
But it doesn't mean anything more to me that it showed us. Indoctrination, of course. Shepard was the one who was the most in contact with reaper tech along the three games.
I don't believe in the dream theory.
Guess I did forget... or more likely thought the same as you, I didn't think the other endings would do it too, at least not Control.
You really need to come up with a better argument than "but the codex!"
Lifejumper
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One one of the best scenes of the Mass Effect franchise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZESNIGQF47E
Simply awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZESNIGQF47E
Simply awesome.
What use is there in indoctrinating a dying commander shepherd?
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Or people want to believe it as such because they don't want to know/believe that they were just shitted apon
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Arrival DLC.. how about that? That's not "but the codex"
No, he doesn't. Its in ME2 when you complete "The Arrival". Its basically the entire crux of that episode.
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Space magic isnt the same as giant asteroids, so who knows how they affect Mass Relays explosions.
I agree. It makes me even more mad that there is great stuff like this that I will remember forever, only to have it followed by the garbage ending we got.
LAUGHTREY
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Yeah you're right. They want the one guy who's killed the most reapers and been the biggest thorn in their side from day one as part of their crew instead of just saving themselves the trouble.
Makes the most sense.
Riposte
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They do try to kill him though. (And fail)
I've ALREADY argued that the manner of destruction is different and thus could explain why these wouldn't be obliterating star systems. One's smashing a giant rock into the Relay, the other is USING the Relay to send out an energy wave that spreads across multiple star systems. Seriously, this is like arguing with a brick wall.
HarryHengst
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Look at you completely missing the point. But not surprising, because everyone who claimed to like the ending ends up saying this.
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ElectricBlue187
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Oh well might as well give up and fly away from his unconscious body huh?
Empty Space
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Wow the cycle continues a new day a new set of people beating the game and drawing a line in the sand saying the ending is what we got or indoctrination. I thought the indoctrination stuff would have stopped after yesterday. I guess it gives Bioware reason to say LOLZ WES GOT UZ GAIZ.
If it gives us a better ending I don't see how it matters what reason they choose to use to fix their mistake. We do seem to be going in a loop during discussion though.
Bioware needs to come out and announce something.
When you start using "Space Magic" as your answer to established canon being ignored, you're missing the bigger problem with the ending.
jediyoshi
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It could explain it? So trying to convince someone otherwise would be like trying to argue with a brick wall? The 'using' of the relays is still causing them to explode into a million tiny pieces, it'd make only slightly more sense if they at least stayed intact before the giant shockwave occurs.
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Wiggum2007
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People are saying Casey Hudson said that future games will only take place during or before ME3, not after. Link?
I thought the quote was that no DLC would take place after ME3, which is a big distinction.
I thought the quote was that no DLC would take place after ME3, which is a big distinction.
It didn't stop Bioware from using it :lol
ElectricBlue187
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Even if fanboys start setting themselves on fire, nobody will care or notice, least of all Bioware
http://youtu.be/rPelM2hwhJA?hd=1&t=1m38s
Let me know how big you think those explosions and shockwaves are.
It's in the Final Hours app. He states that he has no interest in exploring the ME universe after the events of ME3.
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If they go with indoc or change it
To me it's saying "We fucked up" and I will expect more "convenient fuck ups"
Why would there be ME3 DLC that happen before ME3? How does that make sense? We would play it right when we start a new game, before the Earth invasion?
matrix-cat
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Exactly. Just hitting a Relay with a big rock caused it to explode so hard it obliterated an entire star system. Now what about using a Relay to channel an energy pulse so unimaginably powerful that it took who-knows-how-many galactic cycles simply to put the thing together, that was strong enough to cascade across the entire Milky Way galaxy. Now how hard is it going to explode?
It's just nonsense science fiction phlebotinum. Maybe all the Relays just crumbled harmlessly and everyone in the galaxy is fine and dandy, or maybe the Milky Way was wiped out of the universe. The ending doesn't offer any hints as to which happened.
UnluckyKate
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I mean, the entire dream sequence screams for indoctrination. I believe Shepard is fighting it without knowing it.
But the dream theory is just garbage. And as it has already been said : the game is very good. Only the ending sucks
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