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[cajunator]

Holy crap. That's kind of brutal. So true though.



Sounds terrible. So terrible I might watch it for my latent love of Blood.

To be honest, I gave up on Blood-C once I heard CLAMP was involved.

Oh no, it is fucking GLORIOUS.
Trust me on that. Trust GAF on that. you must watch Blood-C

 

[dimb]

It's the truth.

Oshii knows what's up.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Sounds terrible. So terrible I might watch it for my latent love of Blood.

To be honest, I gave up on Blood-C once I heard CLAMP was involved.

Doooo eet.

 

[frostbyte]

Oh no, it is fucking GLORIOUS.
Trust me on that. Trust GAF on that. you must watch Blood-C

You're willing to put your name on the line for Blood-C?

...I'll do it.

Spoiler

Is this going to end up in a fabulous trainwreck like Code Geass or just a trainwreck in general?

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

I'd take failed ambitions over not even trying. Ponyo can't decide whether it wants to be Nausicaa or Totoro and consequently fails at being anything other than a waste of time with tons of plot elements and characters that had no real point accept to fill time. Howl's Moving Castle at least had an identity.

I'm afraid after watching so much anime I've grown tired of wildly ambitious works that completely fall apart. Howl's was basically senile Miyazaki hijacking the source material to stuff as many of his obsessions in there as possible without bothering to connect them together.

You're willing to put your name on the line for Blood-C?

...I'll do it.

Spoiler

Is this going to end up in a fabulous trainwreck like Code Geass or just a trainwreck in general?

Blood-C is a very deliberate and intentional product.

 

[Ultimadrago]

It's the truth.

Ha! Can't argue with that.

On comparison with Arrietty, Arrietty is much better, but it's probably not even in my...top 6 Ghibli, it might be 7th or something.

Oh no, it is fucking GLORIOUS.
Trust me on that. Trust GAF on that. you must watch Blood-C

Marathon, frostbyte, and join in the asylum system with me.

 

[Soma]

You're willing to put your name on the line for Blood-C?

...I'll do it.

EDIT - ahahaha beaten

 

[frostbyte]

Blood-C is a very deliberate and intentional product.

So like Sunrise deliberately trolling the fanbase with Code Geass R2?

http://i.imgur.com/F5dCP.gif[IMG]

[I]Marathon, frostbyte, and join in the asylum system with me.[/I][/QUOTE]

AnimeGAF really has something against Blood-C, huh. This makes me really want to watch it.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

So like Sunrise deliberately trolling the fanbase with Code Geass R2?

I love them both dearly, but would definitely not compare the two.

 

[Crash Station]

Figure 17 10

I know this is supposed to be a tragic phase of the show, but that cloud totally looks like a penis.

That's pretty much what I got out of this episode since I was baited into thinking it would be interesting based on the end of the last one.

 

[cajunator]

So like Sunrise deliberately trolling the fanbase with Code Geass R2?



AnimeGAF really has something against Blood-C, huh. This makes me really want to watch it.

It is truly special.
It must be witnessed.
MUST.

 

[Femmeworth]

So like Sunrise deliberately trolling the fanbase with Code Geass R2?

I wouldn't consider R2 to be Sunrise trolling, rather the writers and director just being inept. Well, there was probably the usual producer meddling too.

It's the truth.

Very interesting.

 

[iammeiam]

AnimeGAF really has something against Blood-C, huh. This makes me really want to watch it.

Blood-C makes you run a very wide range of emotions--it starts of kind of cute with some nice action, gets boring, then frustrating/laughable, then shit gets real and I'm not sure there are good words for how you'll feel by the end.

It's totally worth watching on its own merit, once you've powered through the first four episodes, but... yeah.

 

[Hitokage]

That jitter is called gate weave. It's from the film, not the animation. Ghibli adds it to their digital movies.

That's like adding dust static, flutter, wow, and other LP artifacts to a digital music recording. Silly luddites.

 

[cajunator]

Plus, Saya singing is so fucking moe. SO FUCKING MOE.

 

[Risette]

That's like adding dust static, flutter, wow, and other LP artifacts to a digital music recording. Silly luddites.

It's a sign of Miyazaki's senility!

 

[iavi]

I wouldn't consider R2 to be Sunrise trolling, rather the writers and director just being inept. Well, there was probably the usual producer meddling too.

From what I remember floating around, the change in timeslot had Goro pissed/messed plans up horribly. Apparently it's detailed in The Roman Album: Code Geass.

 

[Femmeworth]

From what I remember floating around, the change in timeslot had Goro pissed/messed plans up horribly. Apparently it's detailed in The Roman Album: Code Geass.

That would explain the lack of tits.

 

[Dead]

Code Geass in general screams of meddling in the production, going into the back end of the first season, not just R2. Moreso than any other anime in history I think.

 

[cajunator]

Code Geass was a phenomenon that will not soon be repeated
We can only hope for more like it.

 

[jman2050]

From what I remember floating around, the change in timeslot had Goro pissed/messed plans up horribly. Apparently it's detailed in The Roman Album: Code Geass.

I find it hard to believe after how the first season ended that Goro's initial plans would have been remotely as good as what we actually got.

 

[Basileus777]

I find it hard to believe after how the first season ended that Goro's initial plans would have been remotely as good as what we actually got.

Maybe they could have made a first half of R2 that wasn't boring.

 

[Risette]

The most interesting part of that Oshii/Suzuki talk is actually what Suzuki says:

O: I came here for just one reason. I wanted to ask you why you neglected this movie!
Staff: So that’s his theme for today (laugh)
O: Did you get sick of it?
S: No, no no no.
O: What was it?
S: It really is about Miya-san’s mental state.
O: Miya-san isn’t listening to what anyone says anymore, is he?
S: Listen, Miya-san’s mental state… He had this curse hanging over him called Takahata Isao, right? He worked with the man for 15 years. But even after that, he followed him around like a ghost.
O: Yes, and-
S: But one of Miya-san’s big themes in his movies is how he can get away from all of that, right?
O: Well, the way I see it, at least in some small part, he acknowledged that his movies needed Suzuki Toshio’s logic, or Takahata Isao’s boasting. Up until a certain time. Probably.
S: Yes.
O: Even if he doesn’t want to admit it. In the end, it was something he needed. So what he wanted to do was to remove those things, make a movie, and see what happened. That’s why I’m saying, I acknowledge that he is a wonderful creator of delusions. The most incredible delusions in Japan, no, the world. That’s apparent.
S: That was the idea.

O: A scene with no motivation at all shouldn’t sit well with people. But even so, people are entranced by the scene, and that’s because of the overwhelming expressive power that the movie has.
S: And that’s the kind of work that we wanted to make.
O: Huh?
S: A movie like that.
O: Well, your movies having themes are a thing of the far past.
S: You’re right in saying that we wanted to make a movie with no real structure.
O: It’s not that you’re trying to make movies with no sense of structure–
S: I’ll admit it, that’s what we did. So what all of this means is that the person giving structure to our movies was Takahata-san.
O: Yeah.
S: That means that as long as our movies have any structure, Miya-san will never be able to separate himself from Takahata-san.
O: And that’s whats odd here. That.
S: Well I’m not sure if that’s something odd or not (laughs)

 

[Femmeworth]

^ I knew Ponyo was a result of Miyazaki's senility.

I find it hard to believe after how the first season ended that Goro's initial plans would have been remotely as good as what we actually got.

I'm not sure what you mean by "good", but I would have to doubt his original vision too, considering what happened towards the end of the first season. -_-

 

[hosannainexcelsis]

The most interesting part of that Oshii/Suzuki talk is actually what Suzuki says:

Holy shit, how did I miss that! I mean, that's pretty much the conclusion I had come to, but it's surprising to see it so baldly admitted.

I'm not sure what you mean by "good", but I would have to doubt his original vision too, considering what happened towards the end of the first season. -_-

What I'm gathering is that what happened towards the end of the first season was already the result of executive interference, so his original vision was already compromised.

 

[Verelios]

I'm sorry, he lost me. What? ^^^^

 

[jman2050]

I'm not sure what you mean by "good"

I mean exactly what I said.

I really should rewatch Code Geass. So many incredible moments in both seasons.

 

[Uchip]

I like how blood-C is supposed to have "good action"
how can you even see through the giant black bars obscuring it?

 

[A Black Falcon]

Kill Me Baby 8

I realize that I laugh/smile at all the jokes even if they are silly/stupid. This show's humor really resonates with me, I guess.

Well, that's fortunate, considering that stupidity is key to like 90% of the series' humor...

I often dislike stupidity humor, this is often a pretty dumb show, but Kill Me Baby is amusing just often enough to keep me watching.

Thanks to AnimeGAF, the word fabulous has lost all meaning to me.

Not helping.

Yeah, animegaf's ruined that term pretty thoroughly, I agree. As far as I can tell it basically means "shows I will probably dislike"...

Already tried that, didn't work. Utena? Nope. Code Geass? Nope.

Code Geass is the worse of those two (I really dislike that show), but yeah, Utena's not something I love either. My thoughts about it are neutral at best.

Zelda in SS is a dirty troll.

Why? I did find it annoying how she vanishes early in the game yet again, but what's your reason?

I know, because Code Geass >>>> Utena.

You have that backwards, though neither one deserves much of the praise they get here. Geass particularly.

since you asked!

Shallow vapid leads (at least Romeo & Juliet had the excuse of being idiot teenagers before they took 2 seconds to fall head over heels in lust - I mean that's fine for them but I can't pretend it makes for interesting character setup/growth), takes an interesting/unusual premise (cannibalism) and goes in a trite overplayed direction exploring the potential avenues in only the most obvious and superficial ways, horrible mess of an ending with a completely unconvincing asspull villain - the moment where you went "woah, what the hell?" made me just roll my eyes because it was such a lame & puerile attempt at shocking the audience & establishing an intimidating antagonist without any real effort on the part of the creators. Generally I just feel like they squandered the potential opportunities they had set up with the various events along the way as well, plotwise. Oh, and it's really ugly, if admittedly possessing an intentional and disciplined sort of unpleasant aesthetic that I might be able to admire if I felt the other aspects of it gelled.

I think that about covers it. Take with a grain of salt as this may be an uncharitable assessment since i haven't seen it in a few years. I don't really remember the music outside of the annoying OP song.

Sounds just great.
On a partially related note though, my reaction to reading Romeo & Juliet back in 9th grade was to decide that the two of them were both idiots. I think my mom said something like "you might understand if you fall in love"... but seriously, they're stupid. No, I don't like that story.

It's not really THAT gory to be honest. BLood C uncensored seems much gorier than elfen Lied. It's pretty much one of those shows that's worth a watch but definitely not something I'd just recommend to people.

Blood-C well might be the gorier of those two, but Elfen Lied definitely has its share of bloody violence...

Haven't watched Howl's Moving Castle or Tales of Earthsea yet, I take it? (Don't.)

Bah, I liked Howl's Moving Castle. It's not Miyazaki's best movie, certainly, not even close, but it was an okay movie and entertaining adventure.

Oh, and Ponyo was good too. Better than Howl's probably.

It's the truth.

Just because Oshii says it doesn't make it so.

 

[Femmeworth]

What I'm gathering is that what happened towards the end of the first season was already the result of executive interference, so his original vision was already compromised.

Yeah. I can't find a direct translation of the interview Miri alluded too, but from what I've read it sounds like Sunrise execs fucked him and the production team over since before the ending of the first season. It makes me have to wonder, why the fuck do people still work for Sunrise?

 

[cajunator]

That reminds me!

I started watching Code Geass R2 finally after picking up the new release via Rightstuf.
I've seen seven episodes so far:

Code Geass R2 1

Lol at how this opens.
So inappropriate given how season 1 ended.
Masterful trolling.
So we leave off with

Spoiler

Lelouch and his bro just kind of existing as if everything is cool.

Kallen is in a bunny suit. Classy.
A bunch of unimportant shit, and then cut to the previous place, where

Spoiler

Lelouch finds everyone has been killed.

Who did it?

Spoiler

Oh it was CC.

Wait. why the fuck

Spoiler

did you shoot CC?

Assholes.
Shes

Spoiler

not dead though. she reawakens Leleouch's Geass and he becomes ZERO.
He makes everybody kill themselves

and we have a happy ending.

Code Geass R2 2

Spoiler

Zero begins fighting with the black Knights, his group of jolly terrorists.
He hatches a plan to detroy the tower and kill the viceroy by making the tower fall on him, which also opens the escape route. clever bugger.
Zero boadcasts that he wants to form a new United States of Japan. U.S.J! U.S.J!
Then other Geass guy Rolo appears and swears revenge.

This will get messy.

Code Geass R2 3

Oh so

Spoiler

it was C.C. disguised as Zero in the broadcast. That tricked Rolo into thinking he wasn't being Zero.
C.C makes a better Zero anyway.

Shirley is so cute.
Nice logic.

Spoiler

If Lelouch is still at school there is just no way he was fighting as Zero. But C.C. is not around but man, she cant possibly be involved because he hasn't contacted her.

CLEARLY

Spoiler

Lelouch

is totally innocent of this.

Spoiler

Rolo also has a dark side and he kills agents on his own team to keep secrets. But he's doing it for Brittania

so that makes it totally ok.

Spoiler

Kallen barges in on a discussion between creepy circus guy and

C.C wearing only a towel. This is fine.
Shirley is so adorably ignorant of everything.
It appears

Spoiler

the black Knight prisoners will be executed tomorrow.

Spoiler

Lelouch hatches a plan to go on a date with Shirley to the mall and wreak some havoc there.

It works.

Spoiler

Lelouch then gets the drop on his brother rolo. As he unveils his plot, naturally Rolo grabs his gun and turns it on him, without him noticing.

This is referred to as "bullshit". Except not, because

Spoiler

he stopped time with his Geass somehow

and..I dunno. Fuck it.

Code Geass R2 4

So

Spoiler

Rolo can stop time, and has used it to hilariously off dozens of people as an assassin. He might also not actually be Lelouch's brother.

Groovy.

Spoiler

Lelouch figures out that Rolo can only stop people's physical sensation of time and not time itself so like I guess that works to his advantage. Then he makes up some shit about how Rolo wont gain anything by shooting him or finding C.C.

and avoids an early end to this show.
C.C. can also apparently not reassemble guns properly. So HNNG.
YES!

Spoiler

Stabbed that annoying clown bastard in the face.

Spoiler

Time is running out for the captured Black Knights. Will Zero save them?
Zero shows up right before they are about to get offed.
He apprently Geassed somebody to activate the gate, which gave the black Knights a strategic position and allowed them to turn the tide. Then one of the Knights shoots at Rolos mech and Lelouch takes the hit.

I guess because he's stupid.
But, it seems to work

Spoiler

on Rolo because he gets all sappy and stops his man from killing Lelouch. Then Rolo orders his men to retreat.
Oho. Zero

you crafty bastard.

Spoiler

You planned this all along to use Rolo.

You crazy goober you.

Spoiler

Suzaku

is NOT amused. Not one bit.

Code Geass R2 5

Like Lambs to the slaughter...

Spoiler

Let's trust the guy who betrayed us and nearly got us killed! He was doing it for Japan!
ZE-RO! ZE-RO!
Suzaku sees Lelouch at school. He walks over to him and hangs out like old bros.
Lelouch notices that Suzaku pretty much revealed that he knew him before and fucked up. Zero

laughs. OHOHOHO.

Spoiler

Brittania spies still suspect Lelouch hasnt gained his memories back.

They are clearly stupid.

Spoiler

Gino infiltrates Area 11 headquarters really easily.
Then he just steps out

like a boss

Spoiler

and hangs out with Suzaku.
Anya joins in and they set up to ambush Zero.

Suddenly, SCHOOL FESTIVAL.

Spoiler

C.C shows up and lelouch tries to hide her. Hep ushes her

into a bin of tomatoes

Spoiler

as Shirley approaches.

Next we see a rather fetching example of DAT KALLEN ASS.
Now its time for slapstick comedy!

Spoiler

Chase after the robot carrying the tomato bin

OLOLOLOLOL!

Spoiler

Next comes a very convenient manipulation by using the Geass to get them out of the situation.
Kallen and C.C and Lelouch narrowly escape

and then they fuck with

Spoiler

Villetta

for lulz

Spoiler

and call her a traitor.

Then they get into the coolest limosine I have ever seen.
Later,

Spoiler

Suzaku has a phonecall for Lelouch. Hep icks up and its nunnally, and even better, she is not only alive but will become the new Viceroy!

TROLOLOLOLOL Lelouch.
Nunnally - "Can't see shit bro!"

COde Geass R2 6

Oh man.

Spoiler

Nunnally sees through Lelouch's shit. You cant fool her.
More battles ensue. It seems that Lelouch and his bros escaped without Suzaku and the others finding out.

LOL FOOLED YOUUUUU.

Spoiler

Lelouch still vows to fight for Nunnally because he's stubborn. They launch an attack as a diversion so Zero can get to Nunnally.
This works somehow. He goes to Nunnally and she tells him she plans to reinstate the sanctuary for Elevens, like Euphy did, since that worked out so well last time.
While Zero is in there, the battle rages outside.

Kallen kicks everyones ass as usual.

Spoiler

However, Suzaku swoops in and saves Nunnally while Zero tries to figure out why the hell she is calling to Suzaku. Zero is saved by Kallen.

Basically, everything went to shit.

Code Geass R2 7

GLORIOUS WAKOMOTO.
ALL HAIL BRITTANIA!

Spoiler

Nunnally is dead serious about renewing the Sanctioned area for Elevens.
I wonder what Nippon thinks?
Oh now Leleouch is making people do silly things.

You are such a joker Lelouch.

Spoiler

Aww. He's depressed. poor Lelouch.

He

Spoiler

almost kissed Kallen.

And then she slapped him. Kallen puts the "ass" in class.

Spoiler

And now Rolo is putting the moves on.

BROLUST. Cut to Wakomoto being AWESOME.

Spoiler

Oh and that comment about Zero's mask. So deep C.C.

Fireworks!!!
:Firehawk scene.
Meanwhile,

Spoiler

WAR. Kallen and the others are on board a Submarine under heavy attack from Brittania. Zero shows up on a cliffside and coordinates their escape. He sets up the fleet by having them shoot down into a methane gas bed under the ocean.

how the fuck

Spoiler

does he know its there? Oh well it doesnt really matter does it? So the bubbles rise oup, destroy everything, and the crew makes it out alive. Thanks Zero, you're a swell guy.
Whats thaT? you want to go along with the Nippon S.A.Z? Uhh... Ok. whatever, probably just another trap.

You sly devil.

 

[Risette]

Just because Oshii says it doesn't make it so.

That's a nice way of trying to discount it, but what he says makes total sense & is confirmed by the producer of the movie.

 

[Thoraxes]

That reminds me!

ALL HAIL BRITANNIA

REEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUSSHHHUUUUUUUUUUUU

 

[jman2050]

I want to post the best scene from R2 but too many people haven't seen the glory themselves yet and I don't want to tempt anyone.

 

[Narag]

I like how blood-C is supposed to have "good action"
how can you even see through the giant black bars obscuring it?

Y'know I liked the show but that was my feeling throughout. I should have waited to watch it uncensored.

 

[Branduil]

OMG. My true nakama. You were the friend I never knew I had. My blood brother.

Well, it's not my favorite anime or anything, but it's legitimately well-made and it looks really nice. That's a lot more than can be said about the TV series.

 

[madp]

I've been seeing Easter Bunny decorations here and there and can only think of

Spoiler

the final episode of Blood-C

now. Fuck

 

[Uchip]

Y'know I liked the show but that was my feeling throughout. I should have waited to watch it uncensored.

hopefully the movie has none of that crap

 

[cajunator]

ALL HAIL BRITANNIA

REEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUSSHHHUUUUUUUUUUUU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF3k1gImDm0

Wakomoto should have done the car noises in Redline.

 

[frostbyte]

That reminds me!

I started watching Code Geass R2 finally after picking up the new release via Rightstuf.
I've seen seven episodes so far:

Are you watching it drunk? Because that's makes fabulous twice as funny.

That's a nice way of trying to discount it, but what he says makes total sense & is confirmed by the producer of the movie.

Are there more interviews/talks like these translated? This was really insightful.

Particularly about Satoshi Kon. He's my favourite director.

 

[A Black Falcon]

That's a nice way of trying to discount it, but what he says makes total sense & is confirmed by the producer of the movie.

As far as I can tell from that, the other guy partially agreed with Oshii's explanation for how Miyazaki's thought process went, but didn't entirely agree that "you can't make a movie that way". And considering that plenty of people, including me, thought that the resulting film was good, that's certainly a pretty questionable thing to say so absolutely. He says things as absolutes that aren't.

On another note, Oshii says there that he was trying to make The Sky Crawlers different from any of his past films:

S: Oshii-san, your movie is a departure from your normal works, too.
O: What about it? I was intentionally trying to make something unlike my old movies.

Well, if he was, then he only partially succeeded, given that Patlabor 2 is by far the movie most like The Sky Crawlers of all the movies I've ever seen.

 

[cajunator]

Are you watching it drunk? Because that's makes fabulous twice as funny.




Are there more interviews/talks like these translated? This was really insightful.

Particularly about Satoshi Kon. He's my favourite director.

Nope not drunk. I would prefer to spare the world from me being drunk.

Satoshi Kon is my favorite anime director easily.
I'm STILL upset.

 

[Femmeworth]

I want to post the best scene from R2 but too many people haven't seen the glory themselves yet and I don't want to tempt anyone.

I'm not sure which scene you are talking about.

 

[Uchip]

Satoshi Kon is my favorite anime director easily.
I'm STILL upset.

I don't think anyone else compared to kon for mature movies

 

[cajunator]

I'm not sure which scene you are talking about.

I'm not either because after 7 episodes, there are already a multitude of scenes that fit this description!

 

[jman2050]

I'm not sure which scene you are talking about.

My mistake, there are way way way too many valid candidates to be so vague about it.

The scene in question:

Spoiler

ALL HAIL LELOUCH ALL HAIL LELOUCH

 

[frostbyte]

Nope not drunk. I would prefer to spare the world from me being drunk.

Satoshi Kon is my favorite anime director easily.
I'm STILL upset.

Don't remind me, the tears haven't stopped yet ;_;

I'm so ashamed I still haven't watched Memories or Paranoia Agent even though I loved every single other film he made. Satoshi Kon <3.

Is Madhouse ever going to finish up The Dream Machine?

 

[cajunator]

Don't remind me, the tears haven't stopped yet ;_;

I'm so ashamed I still haven't watched Memories or Paranoia Agent even though I loved every single other film he made. Satoshi Kon <3.

Is Madhouse ever going to finish up The Dream Machine?

DO THIS NOW.
Seriously, like right now.

ALso, sadly, not likely. about as likely as Despera

 

[frostbyte]

My mistake, there are way way way too many valid candidates to be so vague about it.

The scene in question:

Spoiler

ALL HAIL LELOUCH ALL HAIL LELOUCH

Is that the same scene as

Spoiler

Suzaku kicking ass and Lelouch claiming the throne?

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Space Runaway Ideon 27:
Plots within counter plots. The scheming between different factions of humans and the Buff Clan is picking up, and that stuff is a lot more interesting than most of what happened in the first half of the show (or the boring space fights we have to get in almost every episode). Gije's been really ineffectual, but it still sucks for him to wind up in his current predicament. There's some surprisingly not dumb explanations about Ide and all of that stuff, and the show kind of subverts the obvious ideas about what effect that energy would have on societies.

The themes of the series are starting to come together in the second half, and I feel that's where the show exhibits the most potential. It's a shame the series overall is so inconsistent, because the potential to be something really special is there.