Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator

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At least it's not like what happened with Rinne which opened with some action, but then became utterly directionless and had no idea what kind of show it was trying to be.

In the case of MARU!, it's probably because the show is split cours and they needed to save more action for the cliffhanger which will presumably end the first cour.
 

cajunator

Banned
In the case of MARU!, it's probably because the show is split cours and they needed to save more action for the cliffhanger which will presumably end the first cour.

I haven't given up on Maru. It's just on hiatus until it goes a new direction. Its still fun and HNNNG and colorful to look at. Its just gotten a little bit stale lately.
 

prwxv3

Member
Blood-C is amazing. My body will never be ready for the the uncensored version (is that out yet?) or the movie.
I really hope the bunny blender has a glorious return in the movie but on a far bigger scale
 

Jex

Member
Revolutionary Aspect Ratio Utena 1

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Hot pants as the standard attire for male students? Must be France.

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Smooth.

I feel ill. What have you done? Why do you do it?
 
I am all for this, as long as she sings.

If they get Nana Mizuki again, maybe she will.

Honestly I don't think they need another Saya ever again. The only good thing which has ever come out of the Blood franchise is the original movie, everything after that should be buried in an unmarked grave and forgotten about.
 

Jex

Member
You haven't seen episode one, sorry.
Oh boy. I can't wait till you get to this one point in the show. My wounds from Utena are still fresh.
Hix post is one of the worst posts I've seen in AnimeGAF.

WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT

YOU MONSTER

my eyes are still bleeding


how could you ruin Utena like that
Hix is a monster that must be stopped.
I guess you want to make a name for yourself, but this is the wrong way to go about it!
 

Thoraxes

Member
The episodes 2 through 5 arc is the best part of the series so far, though, and the slow pace is an important part of why that is. So I strongly disagree with you here.
The content in episodes 2-5 only existed as flashbacks in the source material, and was not stretched out this long at all. In fact, I would say adapting the flashbacks was ineffective, and probably shoul've been kept in the way it was originally done. There's a lot better ways to do world-building in a visual medium.
And what about episodes 6-11? Why want everything to be over so quickly when the details, and tension, of the events as they happen is such an important reason for why the show's so good? I love the pacing. It's not just because it's slow for no reason, though -- it's because it's slow, with good reason. Slow, but captivating and engaging, and every episode leaves me wanting to watch the next one. And it's entirely unlike it in jut about any other way, but that one element reminds me a bit of Texhnolyze, which, of course, was quite good.
(FYI I quit at episode 8 to see if the new arc would do anything for me) I wouldn't really call what the show builds tension. If anything, there's more a lack of tension in the actions they take. They had a good start with
Princess Gruier
but they completely ruined it by playing her presence off as
an intruder
as something with no real harm, and someone who was effortlessly trapped. The same thing can be said for the space fight. There was never any real danger ever. It had been established that the pirate ships from both girls were waiting and watching, and that the hacking was ineffective. There wasn't a buildup, and there wasn't a release. Any of those moments were rather flat. I think as an LN it's great, but it definitely does not translate well to anime at all.

Now Texhnolyze is a great example of a balance of world-building, tension, release, and great pacing. A lot of the world is explained as the show goes on through the character interactions and actions, and rarely did the show ever stop to read you a manual on what's going on. You see what each faction stands for through their actions, you understand the technology through the rehab and its use, and you get a grasp for the world because the characters traverse through it and let the imagery explain everything while their own interactions take a front-seat, managing to present and progress simultaneously.

If you wanted to cut out half of what makes the show so unique and great, sure, you could have. But it wouldn't have resulted in a better show, that's for sure!
It doesn't make for captivating anime though. Where as in the novels you can have as much time as you want, and let a lot of the world building happen through the reader's interpretations, an anime has the advantage of... well, being an anime. If there's one thing I could say about the show is that it fails to make any use of the advantages it has now being in a primarily visual medium. There's lots about worlds you can explain through imagery, but the show falls flat when it comes to using that effectively to convey any kind of plot at all.

I think something i've been watching recently that does this effectively is Martian Successor Nadesico. They have the mechs, gravity-beam canon, computer AI, the Nadesico itself, and the daily tech used by the crew. All of it is effortlessly explained across the entirety of the show (i'm on episode 22 now); gives a solid amount of technobabble explaining the mechanics and theory of the weapons, ships, mechs and planetary habitation; establishes world/galactic relations and cultural phenomena in the present day society; and even presents a large cast of characters, their motives, their feelings, and the relationships between all of them on the ship. All of this is so effortlessly done and moves at an incredible pace for the amount of content in there, and show doesn't suffer in any way for it while delivering an experience with everything you love about Moretsu Pirates while significantly advancing tons and tons of these elements in the show.

Nadesico makes the cast compelling, the technology compelling, the galactic relations compelling, and overall just integrate everything so well through visual and spoken presentation.

She may not have as much depth as some characters in some ways, but she's got enough, and her attitude and ability are good. And she has had some character building -- there's her relationship with her mother, the fact that her school studies are failing as she focuses more on being a pirate, etc.
They don't explain the buildup of her particular ability and attitude other than that her mother and father were pirates. There's no explanation for why she suddenly knows what she does, and is more subservient than her subordinates other than that there's a space pirate textbook that she's required to study. They have yet to really establish why she's even needed on the ship other than that they needed a blood related person to inhabit the captain title. The ship can run perfectly fine without her, and honestly it's yet been proven why she's more capable than the far-more capable people around her.

Her relationship with her mother was never really done in-depth other than her mom is awesome, she obeys her mom, and her mom used to be a pirate. Her grades failing are something they play off lightly too. While it shows that she's paying more attention to pirate studies, it's played off as no real consequence, especially with pirate faculty in the school. Sure, she wants to do both, so she does, without any crazy amount of conviction, and the grades become of no real consequence.

But anyway, yeah, the electronic warfare stuff was quite interesting, in part because it's such a natural thing to exist, but it's also something that you almost never see in sci-fi TV shows... not flashy enough I guess, but to its credit Space Pirates not only raises the issue, it explains exactly why it'd be so important, as it certainly would be. Good job there.
I can agree that it was interesting to see, but honestly the concept is such a simple one that it really didn't need to be such a heavy focus for three episodes. They literally repeated themselves over and over with each episode. I wouldn't have minded so much if it played a more integral part to space-faring strategies, but electronic warfare and the importance of it has completely been thrown away. Coorie handles it on the ship, and plays it off like it's nothing. There's no more real presence of it, and her abilities of it make any kind of electronic warfare seem like of no real importance.
 

cajunator

Banned
If they get Nana Mizuki again, maybe she will.

Honestly I don't think they need another Saya ever again. The only good thing which has ever come out of the Blood franchise is the original movie, everything after that should be buried in an unmarked grave and forgotten about.

Saya was special. They should just leave it at Blood-C and the movie and allow it to become legendary. To follow up on it would only serve to ruin the legacy.
 

prwxv3

Member
If they get Nana Mizuki again, maybe she will.

Honestly I don't think they need another Saya ever again. The only good thing which has ever come out of the Blood franchise is the original movie, everything after that should be buried in an unmarked grave and forgotten about.

Blood-C should never be forgotten.
 

Soma

Member
sometimes i feel compelled to reply to this thread between Jexhius' posts just so he can catch up on things he missed one post at a time.
 

Jex

Member
Sword of the Stranger

I'm glad I watched this. The art, animation and battle choreography was a treat to watch. Had to suspend myself a bit for
dat sword toss
and the only notable music was the main theme (which I swore I've heard before), but had a good time with the film.
I only first heard of it here, so thanks for the indirect recommendation, people that liked it.

That's rather depressing. People should be singing it's praises across the land.
Sword of the Stranger

Fuck, that was fantastic. The last fight was some of the most stunning animation my eyes have witnessed.

I forgive you BONES, for bringing DtB II in to this world. We can finally move on from this nightmare.

Ando x BONES produce wonderful things.

Hmmm.
Nisemonogatari - END (I think)

At least about 10% of it got animated.

Look, SHAFT are busy not animating the prequel series. They can't do everything!
 

Jex

Member
Nise 11

Well that was a fun ride I guess[...]

And yeah Bakemonogatari was definitely superior to this.

Nisemonogatari 11

The last episode was good, but the ride wasn't terribly enjoyable. Wonder what they'll do with the BDs and how Kizu will be.

Nisemonogatari Final

Shinobu is the best thing to have come out of this. Overall, I'm disappointed with Nisemonogatari, it could have been so much better than what it was, even given the source material.

Nisemonogatari 11

This particular episode was great, but yeah, overall as a series, Nise feels like a step down from Bake. Don't know if that's because of the change of director or difference in source material (not that I could tell, having read neither pair of novels) or what, but that's just how it feels, I guess. I don't really have any overtly negative opinions, just far more neutral ones than the amount of positive ones I had for Bake.

Nisemonogatari 11 END



For fucks sake, those motherfuckers at SHAFT have struck yet again with their filthy BD selling ways. Oh well, at least
Shinobu and Senjougahara got an upgrade!
Hopefully Kizumono can help me forget just how dissapointing this series was as a whole. :(
Nise 11

Good closing episode, both arcs ended well now that I think about it. While it was ultimately an inferior show compared to Bake, there were some worthwhile episodes in there. Given the amount of material though, it felt pretty dragged out. A shorter length like Black Rock Shooter, or Ozuma, would have served it better I think.
Well, I suppose I'm no longer alone (or just nitpicking) with my complaints regarding Nisemonogatari being inferior to Bakemonogatari. It never really pulled away from weak first couple of episodes, even with a few bright spots throughout the series.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Smile Precure 6

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At this point, this show has to be some kind of loving parody. It's just too self-aware not to be taken any other way by an older audience... and I'm sure the actual audience that it's intended for are happy that it's such a wacky show compared to all the angst in the last two Precure shows that came before.
 

Narag

Member
Shin Mazinger Z 17-18

Uh, holy shit. I was having doubts after the Germany stuff but
jumping to the past last day of Mycenaean civilization and touching on the Zeus story
was great. Giving Ashura even more spotlight has only paid off. I thought him tragic before but
to be shunned by memories of its past selves? That's just cold. Its worsening identity crisis is rather sad too. I'm torn between the notion of informing a potential viewer just how much of the show is its story versus letting them be surprised on their own.
I liked its character tic of requesting and being appreciative of the mechanical beasts was touched upon here. I'd wondered why since the first time I caught it.
Zeus' rocket punch deserves an amazing wtf too.

Show is just beautiful.
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iavi

Member
Bakumatsu 11

This show timeskips like it just doesn't give a damn, which is kind of cool. Keeping
Nakaiya alive-again, however, is not cool at all.
the whole show is one big macguffin hunt, but that's just blatant. I do hope it doesn't linger here too long. New city same struggle.
 

frostbyte

Member
That show is horrible, it's too bad it gets a new season while the vastly superior other "guy in student council otherwise of girls" show Seitokai Yakuindomo apparently doesn't, it only gets a couple of OVAs...

Both aren't spectacular to be honest. Decent enough for a few laughs but not Nichijou or Daily Lives of High School Boys level.
 

iavi

Member
Bakumatsu 12

That was a fun ep, with an interesting, inventive, if not undercooked visual direction. It needed a bit of finetuning, but I loved the flair.

Soutetsu's starting to get his
evil genius
on, and the story seems to have alleviated my issues of redundancy, so far. Poor Kanna, destined to lose.
 

Jex

Member
It could have Wario'ed. I mean, it's a sequel that's two years after the fact... and people have Horizon and IS to be all excited about.

They gave the 'people' what they wanted - plus all those glorious scenes that will be enhanced by the BD release !
 

Uchip

Banned
Blood-C is amazing. My body will never be ready for the the uncensored version (is that out yet?) or the movie.
I really hope the bunny blender has a glorious return in the movie but on a far bigger scale

the creativity of the monsters actually made it rather silly to me
are they putting on a show? i dont understand the logic
 

Soma

Member
You think Seitokai Yakuindomo/Seitokai no Ichizon is superior to Nichijou?

I actually like SYD (it's a bit of a guilty pleasure i think) but I don't think it's half as great as Nichijou.

I don't think a lot of other shows are either but that's just me :3
 

frostbyte

Member
I actually like SYD (it's a bit of a guilty pleasure i think) but I don't think it's half as great as Nichijou.

I don't think a lot of other shows are either but that's just me :3

Are you me? :p

I like SYD too but it recycles it's jokes a bit too much. Although not as much as Baka to Test or Ika Musume, half due to its virtue of having an always expanding cast. I still enjoy all of them though. Nichijou's just on a different level.
 
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