NFL Off-Season Thread: "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?"

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FrenchMovieTheme said:
here is what i have seen from kaepernick in 4 pre-season and 3 regular season appearances:

1. he throws passes at 1 speed: fast. there is not touch on his passes.
2. his pocket presence is bad. his drop back strides are terrible. his strides on his drop backs has been horrible so on a 3 step drop he's still extemely close to the line of scrimmage and has gotten quite a few balls knocked down (even though he's 6'4)
3. had trouble HANDING THE BALL OFF from under center
4. doesn't go through his progressions

now some of this is unfair because he was a rookie coming in from the pistol so i'm willing to give him a chance but we are not in a good spot if he is our starter going into the season
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I havn't seen any of him, so I'll take your word for it. He will have had a whole offseason to work, so it might not be as bad anymore come this preseason. But he seems like the kind of guy who just coasted on athletic ability, especially considering he played for Nevada. Guess we'll find out!
 
bluemax said:
Because SF is the only competent and well run franchise in the NFL and all of their decisions are brilliant.
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sounds like u mad we ended up with harbaugh and you ended up with cheatin' pete

Good for Alex. He played as well as humanly possible last season and was totally duped by his agent, his organization and pretty much everybody else. A fresh start would be good for him.
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as HUMANLY possible? no. alex had a great year, especially by his standards. he still can't complete a deep throw with any consistency. he missed kyle williams wide open deep in the NFC title game for a TD, missed crabtree for another TD in the nfc title game. many other instances throughout the season and i said this all along that he needs to get better at that.

i think he deserves another few years based on last year, and if this was anyone but peyton involved i would disagree with the organization on going after another qb. but if you get a chance to get peyton you go for it.

and alex needed to sign his contract 3 weeks ago and we wouldn't be having this conversation. this is what the niners do. we offer a fair contract and if its not signed we move on.
 
Slo said:
Who wants some Joe Webb?
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In the course of a few hours Alex Smith has gone from a top 15 QB to playing the position as well as any human possibly can.

God damn, are you auditioning to be his agent darkside?
 
What a clusterfux the Niners have gotten themselves into. At this point I just don't see Alex Smith coming back. I mean even though Niners are pursuing a legendary QB, Alex must feel betrayed. Although he should have signed early on, I don't disagree with him holding out for more money. Considering what he went through and where he took the team, he had a right to ask for more money. I don't want Hasselbeck, I don't want Josh Johnson, I don't want Kap, I don't want Flynn...I just want Alex. I'll cry if we end up losing Alex in the process...end of an era.
 
What sort of crazy world is this where I see 9ers fans other than FMT wanting Alex back? Rors' timeline theory must be accurate.
 
eznark said:
In the course of a few hours Alex Smith has gone from a top 15 QB to playing the position as well as any human possibly can.

God damn, are you auditioning to be his agent darkside?
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No sorry thats not what I meant. I meant he played as well as he was humanly capable of playing. As in he was considered one of the biggest busts ever, and rightfully so, but managed to put up a pretty good season. Not that he was some elite QB or anything.
 
firen said:
What a clusterfux the Niners have gotten themselves into. At this point I just don't see Alex Smith coming back. I mean even though Niners are pursuing a legendary QB, Alex must feel betrayed. Although he should have signed early on, I don't disagree with him holding out for more money. Considering what he went through and where he took the team, he had a right to ask for more money. I don't want Hasselbeck, I don't want Josh Johnson, I don't want Kap, I don't want Flynn...I just want Alex. I'll cry if we end up losing Alex in the process...end of an era.
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:me
 
darkside31337 said:
No sorry thats not what I meant. I meant he played as well as he was humanly capable of playing. As in he was considered one of the biggest busts ever, and rightfully so, but managed to put up a pretty good season. Not that he was some elite QB or anything.
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Agreed. That's why Miami is a perfect fit. He had nobody in SF to throw to and excelled. He'd could be the 4th best QB in the division if they moved him.
 
firen said:
What a clusterfux the Niners have gotten themselves into. At this point I just don't see Alex Smith coming back. I mean even though Niners are pursuing a legendary QB, Alex must feel betrayed. Although he should have signed early on, I don't disagree with him holding out for more money. Considering what he went through and where he took the team, he had a right to ask for more money. I don't want Hasselbeck, I don't want Josh Johnson, I don't want Kap, I don't want Flynn...I just want Alex. I'll cry if we end up losing Alex in the process...end of an era.
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don't feel bad for alex. yes he has consistently gotten the short end of the stick but he has earned plenty of money from us. he also said he had no problem with a 3 year deal but rumor is that he was holding out for a 5 year deal.

but i agree that it is just alex's luck.... his career finally seemed to be taking a turn and then this happens. i wonder if he will come back even if we dont get peypey
 
Milchjon said:
I can understand that you forgot what it's like having a likable QB on your team.
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I like my qb. I just find hilarious he's speaking about Alex Smith as if he's some sort of legend. Really big what have you done for me lately scenario. 1 good season has made him deluded enough to forget 2004-2010.
 
firen said:
What a clusterfux the Niners have gotten themselves into. At this point I just don't see Alex Smith coming back. I mean even though Niners are pursuing a legendary QB, Alex must feel betrayed. Although he should have signed early on, I don't disagree with him holding out for more money. Considering what he went through and where he took the team, he had a right to ask for more money. I don't want Hasselbeck, I don't want Josh Johnson, I don't want Kap, I don't want Flynn...I just want Alex. I'll cry if we end up losing Alex in the process...end of an era.
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Oh my god. There's a gif out there somewhere that is worthy of this brilliance.


Alligatorjandro said:
UK trailer for Prometheus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9jRaa4Wkbk&feature=player_embedded#!
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Looks yummy
 
firen said:
What a clusterfux the Niners have gotten themselves into. At this point I just don't see Alex Smith coming back. I mean even though Niners are pursuing a legendary QB, Alex must feel betrayed. Although he should have signed early on, I don't disagree with him holding out for more money. Considering what he went through and where he took the team, he had a right to ask for more money. I don't want Hasselbeck, I don't want Josh Johnson, I don't want Kap, I don't want Flynn...I just want Alex. I'll cry if we end up losing Alex in the process...end of an era.
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While I'll be upset if Alex leaves and we don't get Manning, it'll be because its a major setback at the QB position.
 
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...mith-visits-dolphins-20120318,0,5539364.story
The Miami Dolphins' hunt for a quarterback continued on Sunday with the arrival of Alex Smith, the No. 1 pick in the 2005 NFL draft.

Smith, a free agent who started 66 games for the San Francisco 49ers, arrived in South Florida early Sunday morning, and will spend the day with the Dolphins because talks have stalled with the 49ers, which are one of three finalists to land Peyton Manning.



“This is the NFL. I guess nothing surprises me anymore,” said Smith, who led the 49ers to the NFC Championship game last season.
"I never thought a year ago (Peyton) Manning would be a free agent either," Smith told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "I'm never surprised by anything."



The Dolphins made finding an upper echelon quarterback a priority this offseason, and intend to sign a free agent quarterback in the coming days.

The Dolphins hosted Green Bay Packers backup Matt Flynn on Saturday, and are in the process of negotiating terms with Aaron Rodger’s backup, who spent four years learning from Joe Philbin.

Smith, who was reportedly close to signing a three-year, $24 million contract with San Francisco, could find himself without a team if Manning, a future Hall of Famer, picks the 49ers over the Denver Broncos and Tennessee Titans.

Smith, who completed 61.3 percent of his passes last season, throwing for 3,144 yards and 17 touchdowns (five interceptions), could potentially become a long-term solution for Miami.

Despite Smith’s struggles earlier in his career it seems this he turned the page in 2011, and began blossoming under Jim Harbaugh’s tutelage.

Smith, who will turn 28 in May, has thrown for 12,543 yards and 68 touchdowns during his seven NFL seasons.

He clearly has an experience edge over Flynn, who has started two NFL games. But Smith has never played in a coast based offense, which is what the Dolphins intend to use.

If Smith does sign with the Dolphins he’d be reunited with his former high school teammate, Reggie Bush. The two played together at Helix Charter High.
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One of best friends is a Niners fan, he absolutely loathes Alex Smith, hated him before he even through a pass for the Niners, trashes him at every opportunity, so it's strange to read positive things from other Niner fans. He must be a really good guy.
 
Really good article breaking down the deal Desean Jackson got from the Eagles and really how the Eagles in the end come out on top:

Who wins on Jackson deal?


Somewhere between three months ago and now, when DeSean Jackson looked to be the guy for which the Philadelphia Eagles wouldn't hold open an elevator door, the Birds welcomed their incorrigible wide receiver back within their good graces.

Late Wednesday afternoon, the Eagles signed Jackson to a long-term contract. It's $51 million for five years, which is Santonio Holmes money after all.

You remember all that fuss last year. Jackson and his agent Drew Rosenhaus kept insisting that DeSean was worth the same kind of cheese the Jets gave Holmes, somewhere in the neighborhood of $10 million a season. The Eagles sure didn't think so, or else they would have given him the money.

When the Eagles would talk about Jackson, you'd keep hearing about his negatives: Jackson was injury prone; he had prior concussions; he wasn't really a No. 1 receiver. And by the time the season had been sorted out, Jackson went so bratty on them - he showed up late for a team meeting, he didn't appear to bust his routes on Monday Night Football, he stormed out of at least one Eagles practice late in the season - the Birds' front office was giving everyone the impression that they were just going to cast Jackson adrift, and without getting value back.

So what happened to promote such recent peace and harmony?

"Well, I wish I had the answer," Jackson told me. "You'd have to ask the Eagles. I'm just excited about the opportunity of being able to go out there and keep putting it on the line for my teammates and this city."

The good angel in me is appearing over my right shoulder, telling me that the Eagles were pure in conscience with this deal, that they are going for a Super Bowl championship in 2012 and they want all their players happy. The good angel says that the Birds learned their lesson last year when they tried to squeeze the last remaining drops of juice from DeSean Jackson on a bargain-basement, outdated contract that saw the fleet wide receiver suffer on a mere $600,000 salary. Of course, that blew up in their face and they are now leaving nothing to chance. They just weren't going to take the risk that Jackson, one of the few game-breaking players in the game, would sulk again on a one-year deal - albeit one that paid him $9.5 million as a franchise player - without long-term security.

The bad angel over my left shoulder is telling me the Eagles signed Jackson because it was simply a good bargain and they had him in a compromising position.

The deal DeSean Jackson signed this week is under market value. It calls for Jackson to make $10 million up front, like right now, and a little less than another million in salary when the season starts. The total guaranteed money is about $18 million - two seasons worth - with an injury clause that could limit the Birds commitment to just $15 million.

Consider that Vincent Jackson just signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for $26 million guaranteed and Pierre Garcon, who doesn't have a sniff of Jackson's talent, signed for $21.5 million guaranteed. Marques Colston is getting $20 million guaranteed. Stevie Johnson is getting $19.5 guaranteed. Even Holmes, who's now on the backside of his career and can't even be in the same huddle as his own quarterback, is grabbing $24 million guaranteed from the Jets.

If you're a businessman, you've got to love the way the Eagles do their business.

It is possible that Jackson, making such a paltry sum, desired quick cash rather than continuing to tax Rosenhaus' credit cards, and that facilitated a deal." (Now, Drew may get that back, or he could be like the bookie in the movie Casino who had to pay on Joe Pesce's winning bets but got stiffed when Pesce lost.) The Eagles waved up-front money under DeSean's nose. Without the up-front, Jackson would have had to wade through the rest of March, and then April, May, June, July and August without getting his first check from the franchise-tag contract.

In signing Jackson to a five-year deal, which in reality is no better than a two-year deal, the Eagles have kept their risk very low. The Birds can waive him in the third year of this contract and it will only cost them an additional $250,000. That means his trade value remains excellent. And that up-front $10 million? That's prorated over the life of the five-year contract, which means Jackson's salary cap hit is also reasonable.

Interestingly enough, the Eagles have made at least a two-year commitment to Jackson in the face of only one year of commitment to Michael Vick. The Birds can cut Vick after this season rather than being committed to picking up the rest of his monster $100 million deal. To that end, they have provided the next quarterback, whomever that may be, a solid wide receiver corps led by Jackson. So might the Eagles pull the trigger on drafting a quarterback, say in the second round, perhaps Boise State's Kellen Moore?

Of course, whether Jackson made a bad deal is of no concern to Eagles fans. They've got DeSean Jackson back in their starting lineup, happy, and hopefully, back making dynamic plays.

"A lot of people could have said, why did you settle when you could have gotten this or that?" Jackson told me. "I just feel really comfortable with the situation here in Philly."

Oh yeah, you've got to love the way the Eagles do business.
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Source: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20120318_Who_wins_on_Jackson_deal_.html

Now if they can get the McCoy deal before the season starts...
 
darkside31337 said:
Seahawks will get Tebow. And then proceed to win the division.
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I'd be surprised if they move him if Manning goes to TN. I'll most likely get laughed at, but I think we should go full steam ahead with Tebow (assuming we don't get Manning). We still have to add a couple of QBs, since we lost Quinn, so drafting one or adding a vet is okay. If he sucks balls during the season, then it will be easy to swap him out with the rookie/vet. If he succeeds to whatever expectations they place on him then we are a better team for it.

I guess I'm back on the Tebow bus.
 
Rapsheet said:
According to a column by ESPN’s John Clayton in November of 2010, Gonzalez’s season was ruined by a PCL injury suffered from a Pollard cheap shot. He was then playing with the Texans. Some of Gonzo’s injury issues stemmed from that hit. In Indianapolis, he was never quite able to get over all of that.
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Fucking Pollard was injuring Patriots players before they even were Patriots.

He hates America so much.
 
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