Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto

Wohoo Wohoo Wohoo.

We spend 3 threads discussing specs and whether the rumoured specs can run 1080p games.

Ideaman (our man on the inside) basically confirms it can, unless the second screen is being used intensively at 480p (which is no suprise, surely??? It would have to be a POWERHOUSE of a console to run 1080p + intense 480p second screen) and we have a load of "confirmed Wii U is underpowered and DOOMED" posts?

Also, since when has a launch game ever pushed a system? Ps3/360 graphics still improving
 
It's actually running on 1 card now. People said the same thing though about games like crysis 1 and witcher 2. It's all relative to subjective opinions. Some would say those games don't look anything like their high end PC counterparts. But the overall point is can those games be ported or can't they? Can UE4 games be ported to Wii U or is that impossible? If it is possible, I seriously doubt those games will look worse than the current gen. If your baseline for what is acceptable is higher than what those ports will look like, well that can't be helped, but I don't believe the market at large shares the same opinion. There is of course the chance that I'm completely wrong about that, but we wont know until we watch the future unfold.
Didn't crytek use cryengine 3 for the console port?
 
Stop generalizing and twisting people's words. You sound terribly bitter.

I'm not. It's just that there are folks on here that are full gung ho mode when there is positive news on WiiU graphical prowess but when the news is negative, it's like power isn't important anymore.

I'm calling it now. Apart from some top Nintendo games. I think there will be hardly any difference visually between multiplatform games running on PS360 and WiiU. They will look the same. And I think, that because the WiiU doesn't have a hard drive. You will see performance improvements on PS360 relative to WiiU on game that require a lot of data streaming.
 
Not according to Nintendo fanboys. They don't care about specs or graphics.
Not when we have this already (in HD)!

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I'm totally fin with whatever next-gen brings me as long as the talent is there to create gorgeous game worlds like these!
 
Hah! That is why I say "live peacefully". Not matter what console you love, everyone just focuses on wonderful games and happy happy.

But I know it is impossible. Meanwhile some comments about Vita in MC threads are also too severe. I mean just leave Nintendo/Sony/MS alone... let them worry about this industry and profit etc. We players just play games right?

Sales age is a bit different than speculation threads, though.
With Sales age, we have hard numbers from actual sources.
Here, it's just a bunch of fanboys whining about companies they don't like.

UGGGGGGGGGGGGH
I wish MP3 ran at a stable framerate in Dolphin!
Such a perfect game.
D:
 
Has a reliable source said anything about Wii U lately?

Yes, its been said that V4 dev kits are producing games that look "minimum a bit prettier" than their 360 counterparts while also rendering separate complex graphics to the WiiU controller. Also V5 is going to bit a little bit more powerful.
 
And you think PS4/XB3 will have a gpu that's on par? LOL

No, not even close. But I do think Epic etc... have a target reference that they are aiming for that will deliver a similar graphical performance. I guess they are currently trying to convince Sony and MS to deliver on that target.
 
Hah! That is why I say "live peacefully". Not matter what console you love, everyone just focuses on wonderful games and happy happy.

But I know it is impossible. Meanwhile some comments about Vita in MC threads are also too severe. I mean just leave Nintendo/Sony/MS alone... let them worry about this industry and profit etc. We players just play games right?

The MC threads are Sales-age. That's what they're for. Stick to |OT|'s and similar if you don't want that.
 
I'm not. It's just that there are folks on here that are full gung ho mode when there is positive news on WiiU graphical prowess but when the news is negative, it's like power isn't important anymore.

I'm calling it now. Apart from some top Nintendo games. I think there will be hardly any difference visually between multiplatform games running on PS360 and WiiU. They will look the same.

And whose fault will that be???

The system's or the developers'???
 
Not when we have this already (in HD)!


I'm totally fin with whatever next-gen brings me as long as the talent is there to create gorgeous game worlds like these!

Ewww... hideous! Did you count the number of horizontal lines in each picture? Those are just naaasty! *snap*snap*
 
I honestly don't understand how this thread manages to get worse as we move closer to e3.

How could you not expect the meltdowns? The industry just might be about to undergo a major flip, it's not odd to expect people on this thread are on the cusp of losing their minds.
 
I'm not. It's just that there are folks on here that are full gung ho mode when there is positive news on WiiU graphical prowess but when the news is negative, it's like power isn't important anymore.
The same could be said about "non-Nintendo fanboys" too. Seeing how this thread explodes with the "I knew it would suck" and "I knew it Nintendo fuck you!!" kind of replies every time some power-related talk is started.

So of course the "Nintendo fanboys" will counter those replies.
 
The same could be said about "non-Nintendo fanboys" too. Seeing how this thread explodes with the "I knew it would suck" and "I knew it Nintendo fuck you!!" kind of replies every time some power-related talk is started.

So of course the "Nintendo fanboys" will counter those replies.

True. But Reggie did promise a 1080p console. Looks like he's not going to be able to deliver.
 
How could you not expect the meltdowns? The industry just might be about to undergo a major flip, it's not odd to expect people on this thread are on the cusp of losing their minds.

It's interesting to think, though, that every generation has been a major flip in some way.
New leaders, new competitors, new philosophies.
This is why it's impossible to predict outcomes, and why when people like Pachter spew nonsense, we all laugh.

True. But Reggie did promise a 1080p console. Looks like he's not going to be able to deliver.



So... you've basically read nothing anywhere in the thread...
 
I'm not. It's just that there are folks on here that are full gung ho mode when there is positive news on WiiU graphical prowess but when the news is negative, it's like power isn't important anymore.

I'm calling it now. Apart from some top Nintendo games. I think there will be hardly any difference visually between multiplatform games running on PS360 and WiiU. They will look the same. And I think, that because the WiiU doesn't have a hard drive. You will see performance improvements on PS360 relative to WiiU on game that require a lot of data streaming.

It's probably just different people posting depending on the news. You're also probably right about there not being a big difference until development teams switch assets to more powerful hardware. The launch material will not look much better than "current-gen" stuff, but that's not the issue with the Wii U... rather, it's whether or not it will be able to run "next-gen" stuff, and it looks like it will with downgrades. A step-up from the Wii, for sure.
 
I still think most, if not all, Nintendo published games will be 1080p. It would be hypocritical for Nintendo to advertise 1080p when their first party games don't do it.

It'll just be the third party games that stick to 720p.
 
Console 720p
Wii U screen 480p

720+480 = 1200p

Thats 120p more than 1080p LOL
 
I still think most, if not all, Nintendo published games will be 1080p. It would be hypocritical for Nintendo to advertise 1080p when their first party games don't do it.

It'll just be the third party games that stick to 720p.

Like I said, it's all about what devs target ;-)
 
They may not have the console some tech addicted people wished for.

But Reggie is way stronger than Don Mattrick and this is what counts.
 
The same could be said about "non-Nintendo fanboys" too. Seeing how this thread explodes with the "I knew it would suck" and "I knew it Nintendo fuck you!!" kind of replies every time some power-related talk is started.

So of course the "Nintendo fanboys" will counter those replies.

Like magic, isn't it? Interesting. This tells me that there are plenty of people watching, waiting to pounce.
 
So... you've basically read nothing anywhere in the thread...

Yes. I read a lot of folks frothing at the mouth when there was talk about 2x or 4x the power of PS360 and condemnation, accusations and damnation on anyone that talked about it only being similar in performance.

Have I missed anything.
 
This is great. Can't come up with a reasonable argument. Move the goal posts, come up with an Ad hominem attack. Well done.



Goal posts alert! I thought Visual power doesn't matter to consumers, right? Having a system running on SD would still work on an HD TV's so what difference would it make?



"Technically" I like to use facts. Wii crushed Xbox 360, fact. Wii crushed PS3, fact. Wii crushed HD systems, not fact. I understand your overall point, but your still wrong.

All right, let's deal with this individually.

1. The first thing I'd like you to do is, as I hinted at in my last "ad hominem" attack, READ MY ORIGINAL POST (Found here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36145889&postcount=5067). Find me the instance in which I state that "power doesn't matter." I'll wait for that. I'll be waiting for a long time because I never said it.

What I said was, "It will be ENOUGH." That isn't "Power doesn't matter so they could put out an Atari 2600 today and people would buy it lulz!!!!!!1!", which is the conclusion you erroneously jumped to.

I also said that 'very few outside GAF care about visual power.' That, again, is true. I've done market research on this in the 15-30 age group with a large group of people that stretches both that age group, the causal/"core" gamer group, and racial background. The vast majority either A) Couldn't tell the difference between a top-level PC game and a 360/PS3 game or B) Honestly didn't care and said it wouldn't affect their purchasing habits. The reasons they stated for buying systems? 1. Games and 2. Different ways to play. Keep in mind--this was the general public and outside of GAF, which is a SUBCULTURE of the main consumer population who buys consoles.

You seem to be inferring I'm some raging Nintendo fanboy, but I own all 5 systems (3 consoles, 3DS, and Vita) and the majority of my gaming comes from the Vita and the Xbox 360. I have no dog in this race. I want all to succeed because competition leads to better games and better innovation.

2. I think you need to understand the meaning of the phrase "moving the goalposts." You can only use it if goalposts have actually been set. I never set any. I didn't care to set any. All I was stating was the facts: the lower powered systems have "won" the previous generations in sales, which is what these companies care about: PS2 led in sale over the higher-powered Xbox and Gamecube, Nintendo DS won in sales over the higher-powered PSP, Wii dominated in sales for years over the higher-powered HD twins, and the 3DS is absolutely crushing the Vita right now (although that isn't over by a longshot and I'm hoping the Vita gets some fantastic software to bring it back into contention).

That's all I said. There are no "goalposts" to move. From what I've found in my research and also by analyzing sales, it appears that if what IdeaMan said was true, it would be more than enough for the general consumer to buy and use the system. It has a new, innovative way to play console games.

3. I don't quite understand your statement that Wii crushed 360, Wii crushed PS3, but somehow didn't crush "HD systems?" You realize that those ARE HD systems, right? Maybe you could explain that a bit better because as you stated it, it makes no sense whatsoever.
 
True. But Reggie did promise a 1080p console. Looks like he's not going to be able to deliver.
So I guess you don't play Xbox 360 or PS3 games neither, seeing how "they" promised the same..in 2011 we were still getting games on those platforms at 520p or so resolutions.

Or the Vita and Uncharted running at a resolution lower than even the Wii U's controller.

But guess what? It always depends on the developer.


Like magic, isn't it? Interesting. This tells me that there are plenty of people watching, waiting to pounce.
Exactly. Bunch of lurkers with accounts. Watching, reading, and waiting for the right time to post: "Fuck you Nintendo" for the 1000th time.
 
Wohoo Wohoo Wohoo.

We spend 3 threads discussing specs and whether the rumoured specs can run 1080p games.


Ideaman (our man on the inside) basically confirms it can, unless the second screen is being used intensively at 480p (which is no suprise, surely??? It would have to be a POWERHOUSE of a console to run 1080p + intense 480p second screen) and we have a load of "confirmed Wii U is underpowered and DOOMED" posts?

Also, since when has a launch game ever pushed a system? Ps3/360 graphics still improving

But what 1080p games is he talking about, It seems he's saying current gen ports can run 1080p with without the bells & whistles if the second screen is not use intensively. IS this possible with next gen games built from the ground up?

However this quote gets me wondering
For now, from the mouths of my sources, it's not a console that looks to manage software with complex engines with such ease that their resolution might be 1080p, even at 30 fps. The 720p resolution is best suited for these titles to have a smooth framerate, in addition of the subscreen.

What kind of software is he talking about? is it just PS360 ports? Or he's talking about the system in general?
 
I think graphics talk has now become even more irrelevant. Because when you say 2x or 3x more than 360...we don't know how much of that processing power will go to the controller.

So every game will have its own unique situation when it comes to graphics.
 
I still think most, if not all, Nintendo published games will be 1080p. It would be hypocritical for Nintendo to advertise 1080p when their first party games don't do it.

It'll just be the third party games that stick to 720p.
I hope you hold Microsoft and Sony to the same high standards because they promised the same thing and we still get sub hd games.
 
Yes. I read a lot of folks frothing at the mouth when there was talk about 2x or 4x the power of PS360 and condemnation, accusations and damnation on anyone that talked about it only being similar in performance.

Have I missed anything.

You missed the fact that the Wii U will, in fact, be able to run games in 1080p, apparently.
Especially if it's not displaying anything graphic intensive on the controller at the same time.
 
I don't get the fear some people have. Nintendo managed to deliver some of the best looking games of this gen, out of the Wii... It is kind of inevitable for them to blow people away with some real power.
 
I don't get the fear some people have. Nintendo managed to deliver some of the best looking games of this gen, out of the Wii... It is kind of inevitable for them to blow people away with some real power.

I never worry about Nintendo's graphics. Nintendo's art styles are gorgeous. Mario Galaxy is one of the most beautiful games of this generation.

I just want Nintendo to finally get things right with third parties by giving them the tools and specs they need to make porting games to the Wii U easy. That's all. I just don't want third parties to come back, bitch about the Wii U, and create bad press around the console.

I know Nintendo can do beautiful graphics. I don't doubt that at all.
 
I think graphics talk has now become even more irrelevant. Because when you say 2x or 3x more than 360...we don't know how much of that processing power will go to the controller.

So every game will have its own unique situation when it comes to graphics.

It's gonna come down to art style.

Folks in enthusiast forums online might say things like, "look at the bottom left edge of that barrel - it has more jaggies on this system's screeshot! Eww!" But normal folks walking in front of monitors at Wal-Mart aren't going to stress over this.
 
I doubt there'll be another significant devkit revision. I also think that the "V5" kit IdeaMan refers to is actually the recent V42 kit. Judging by the database entries, these should be the devkits so far:

  • V0: Not in the database (very early kit for internal use).
  • V1: The first public kit, same hardware as the E3 demo units.
  • V2: This kit was modular, with the wireless adapters on daughter boards.
  • V3: Not in the database - unreleased?
  • V4: Modular, just like the V2 kit.
  • V42: The most recent kit in the TLS database and the first point release. This one seems to be a solid unit again, so Nintendo probably decided on specific wireless adapters. Should be pretty much identical to the V4 kit otherwise, so this might very well be the final kit.

I'm not sure, the V5 dev kit respond to a code name according to lherre. My sources told me that they are expecting these kits, and the way they reported me this, it was more a real revision than a X.2 iteration. They were already using a v4 dev kit before, now i don't know for sure if it was 4.0 or 4.2. Maybe the Singapore website doesn't show every material shipped, maybe there's some kind of delay, maybe Nintendo is using another channel to distribute these future kits, etc. I could be wrong for all this part, just that from what i've heard, there's another rather significantly changed dev kit coming for third-parties, and it's certainly the one that Nintendo used for benchmarking an existing engine, and they saw a moderate increase of the performance in comparison to v4.

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It's in plain black and white. At the moment. The development systems aren't powerful enough to run complex (real game) engines at 1080p.

You have to read again all the context description though, where i stressed enough (well, i thought) that this information was gathered in a very specific frame: third-parties, how they use the padlet, what kind of games (port or already seen before inhouse engine, so no first-party games that are usually more adapted/optimized/tailored for the system, etc.).

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Just a general comment. I don't know how my post can over-excites or super-disappoint informed people around here, i think i was precise enough in my wording and how i insisted on the context to leave no room for very surprising reactions. I'm rather optimist about all that, like i said, even in this unfavorable environment, what the Wii U is currently capable of (well, 2 good months ago now) is really not a small feat, something to be delusional about.
 
Yes. I read a lot of folks frothing at the mouth when there was talk about 2x or 4x the power of PS360 and condemnation, accusations and damnation on anyone that talked about it only being similar in performance.

Have I missed anything.

What on earth does any of that have to do with your comment?, which was:

"True. But Reggie did promise a 1080p console. Looks like he's not going to be able to deliver."

Nothing Ideaman said backed up that assertion. Also nothing he said suggests WiiU will be "similar in performance" to 360, quite the opposite actually.
 
The MC threads are Sales-age. That's what they're for. Stick to |OT|'s and similar if you don't want that.

I see, I see. Sales-age is fun, just like you and Ace said, sales-age is for sales-age. At least sales-age are based on solid facts.

If you look at my original post you will know I am just tired of these cycles. I mean we can have a list of "doom gloom" memes. Well, "dreamcast itself" is a new one. It rises and fades again and again. Right now because of Ideaman's comment I just see those comments one more. (Again nothing with ideaman and thanks for info) And someone starts calling people "fanboys". But after 5 more pages argument what do we get? Nothing concrete.
 
Just a general comment. I don't know how my post can over-excites or super-disappoint informed people around here, i think i was precise enough in my wording and how i insisted on the context to leave no room for very surprising reactions. I'm rather optimist about all that, like i said, even in this unfavorable environment, what the Wii U is currently capable of (well, 2 good months ago now) is really not a small feat, something negligible.

Because they aren't informed.
Or rather, they choose to be willfully ignorant, despite posting in these threads a lot.
I just, don't understand.
If people have been following anything that's been happening the last three threads, nothing in IdeaMan's post is even all that shocking. It's just confirmation of what we know.
 
I guess that if developers want to push 1080p they can always use a lower resolution for the Wii U controller if its only used for HUD and changing weapons
 
Nintendo will do all they can to get 3D Mario running at the highest image fidelity they can manage. 1080p 60fps is possible. They seem to be a fan of smooth frame rates.
 
I want reggie to come on stage, rip off his sleeves, flex for the camera, and shout "Mattrick! I'm coming for YOU, bruther! WrestleMania XXVIII! BE THERE!"

Fuck yeah!
Every Wii U should come with pre-installed videos of P90X and Insanity.

Reggie is such a strong man. He reminds me of that huge opponent in one of those Bruce Lee movies. I will buy his console because he is the strongest PR guy.
 
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