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Scullibundo said:
Don't laugh. Cameron has hinted in interviews that there is a narrative reason that the Na'vi are bipeds, whilst everything else on the planet is a hexapod. He hinted that they may have been seeded and that the sequels might deal with it.
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Whhhhaaaaaaaa, I didn't know that. Prometheus/Avatar cross-over could actually happen. Space Jockey motherfuckers get around.

What exactly is the wail/scream/alarm used in the Prometheus trailers? It's pretty chilling.

Edit: Sculli, in that case, Cameron failed entirely. I did not want to fuck a Na'vi at any point. Zoe Saldana on the other hand...
 
Scullibundo said:
They were always bipedal and humanoid. They just used to be less sympathetic looking. Early concepts had each braid of their hair as being tentacle-like and having sinewy black eyes. Ultimately, it would have made it incredibly awkward to watch Jake fuck this thing. I remember Cameron explaining that one of the last notes he gave to the team of artists in coming to the final design of Neytiri is that 'the audience has to want to fuck her.'
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I see. So there's supposed to be some special reason why they are the "humans" of that planet (It's not even a planet is it? It's a moon right?) among all the other beasts and wildlife?
 
Avatar/Prometheus connections would be horrific.
 
duckroll said:
I see. So there's supposed to be some special reason why they are the "humans" of that planet (It's not even a planet is it? It's a moon right?) among all the other beasts and wildlife?
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Yes, and yes. It is a moon orbiting Polyphemus that is somewhat alive with its bio/neural network. Hopefully we do get an explanation of why, because I think it could be very interesting territory to explore. We know that the sequels plan on exploring the other moons orbiting Polyphemus, however that will work.
 
Duckroll at what point would you consider a connection between Prometheus and Alien too egregious? If it ends up that the Space Jockeys created the xenomorphs (or did something that led to their creation), which seems the predictable route, would that be going too far?

Scullibundo said:
They were always bipedal and humanoid. They just used to be less sympathetic looking. Early concepts had each braid of their hair as being tentacle-like and having sinewy black eyes. Ultimately, it would have made it incredibly awkward to watch Jake fuck this thing. I remember Cameron explaining that one of the last notes he gave to the team of artists in coming to the final design of Neytiri is that 'the audience has to want to fuck her.'
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This?

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Zeliard said:
Duckroll at what point would you consider a connection between Prometheus and Alien too egregious? If it ends up that the Space Jockeys created the xenomorphs (or did something that led to their creation), which seems the predictable route, would that be going too far?



This?

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I do believe that is what I was thinking of.
 
omnomis said:
I took issue with you calling the writing in Prometheus "terrible"
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Except I didn't do that. I was talking about the trailers and viral videos, not the movie.

I then took issue with you coming to the conclusion that Lindelof is a hack, implying that his work on Lost took no imagination to create (which is 100% subjective to say)
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Good thing I didn't say anything about that, then!
I call him a hack because he writes profoundly stupid-yet-pretentious nonsense and shows utter contempt for his audience.
(debatable? well, good news: I believe I already explained myself at lengths over in the Lost topic, which seems to be a far more fitting place to debate this further)

No matter what body of evidence you may have gathered towards Lindelof's hackery on Lost, I believe that without that experience tainting your opinion of him, you would never have entered this thread to criticize the writing in the trailer for Prometheus.
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Well, that's just, like, your personal biases tainting your opinion of me, man.
(See how easy that is?)

This because there is so little actual writing evident in it that it would not have drawn your ire without his name being attached.
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Among other things, I'm concerned about Lindelof being involved, yes. And as it happens, what little dialogue I've heard in the viral videos and the trailers sounded pretty bad and typical of the guy's work.
But hey, never mind that, right? I should just assume the rest is awesome and/or keep my observations for myself while everybody else is losing bladder control over how awesome the movie s going to be. Special rules!
Well, pardon my first language, but fuck that.

I don't think you were biased against Lindelof when you argued against the writing in Lost. I think you are biased against Lindelof now for arguing against the small sample of writing in this trailer.
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I like how you keep calling that a "bias" when it's simply a matter of experience regarding the guy... It's all in the spin, I guess.

Nope, I didn't know him before Lost, and yep, I believe I have identified what sucked about his work then, and I'm already seeing it again in what little we've seen so far... Patterns, how the fuck do they work?
Is that a judgment on the final movie? No, because it's not out yet, duuur. I'm commenting on what's out right now, just like everybody else is.

All I ever meant was that this is unfair.
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About as "unfair" as you saying that there's no way in hell you could not be satisfied by the movie based on a couple of trailers and because Ridley Scott, then (probably less so, actually, as I never claimed I would definitely be disappointed).
Not exactly the first time I point that out, but hey...

Are we done, now?
 
1. I've never denied having biases, or become bothered when they were called out.

2. Look up what "hack" means before using the word.

Erigu said:
About as "unfair" as you saying that there's no way in hell you could not be satisfied by the movie based on a couple of trailers and because Ridley Scott
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You would be the only person I've ever met that thought giving someone the benefit of the doubt was ever unfair to someone.

Yes. I think being positive about an upcoming movie is wishful thinking, and being negative about an upcoming movie is being premature. Double standard? Likely.

Erigu said:
Are we done, now?
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I am.
 
thekad said:
Erigu must have got really bored to have moved his trolling to a barely related thread.
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How is it "barely related" when the person partially responsible for the script had his hand in producing some of the worst television of the last decade? You may not feel the same way, but it is enough reason for others to remain cautious about this movie.

Lindelof's involvement is the only reason i'm not going to get myself too excited and, going by what i've read of the premise, there is enough reason to be worried that he could fuck up the script spectacularly.
 
Scullibundo said:
Yes, and yes. It is a moon orbiting Polyphemus that is somewhat alive with its bio/neural network. Hopefully we do get an explanation of why, because I think it could be very interesting territory to explore. We know that the sequels plan on exploring the other moons orbiting Polyphemus, however that will work.
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Yeah I remember hearing about that. Has Cameron ever said anything about Polyphemus itself? Is there life on the planet?

Scullibundo said:
Here is that interview with Cameron, ducky. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43923
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Thanks, will read later.

Zeliard said:
Duckroll at what point would you consider a connection between Prometheus and Alien too egregious? If it ends up that the Space Jockeys created the xenomorphs (or did something that led to their creation), which seems the predictable route, would that be going too far?
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I don't really think that anything would be "too far" really. Ultimately the story belongs to Scott and the people at Fox. Whatever they want to do with it, as long as it is presented well and entertains me without being offensively dumb, I'll ultimately be okay with it.

As for my personal preference as a fan, I would just like Prometheus to be a stand alone work that expands on the fictional universe and the mythology of established in Alien without being *nudge nudge wink wink* about it. I would be very happy if the creation of the Xenomorphs in particular are never dealt with directly.

That maintains a sense of not just mystery but a natural order to the existence of the aliens, if that makes sense. Not everything needs an "origin" especially when it can just be accepted as something that simply is. This is the mistake Lucas made with explaining the force, because there was no need to.

If they do choose to reveal an "origin" for the race, then I just hope it isn't stupid or done in a way which feels like they're hammering it over my head.
 
FoneBone said:
The vast majority of TV shows don't get an endpoint set three years in advance, though.
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Most shows also aren't saddled with multiple JJ Abrams "mystery boxes" that were never created with the intent to be opened, either. People expected them to be opened nonetheless. So they tried.
 
I don't think we'll ever see the actual alien race behind everything. I certainly don't think they'd spoil something like that in a trailer anyway.

The jockey we see in the trailers is a more intelligent kind of xenomorph engineered for utilitarian functions (like piloting a ship) rather than warfare or species eradication like the one we're familiar with. The "engineers" are long gone, hinted at but left unexplained.
 
duckroll said:
I don't really think that anything would be "too far" really. Ultimately the story belongs to Scott and the people at Fox. Whatever they want to do with it, as long as it is presented well and entertains me without being offensively dumb, I'll ultimately be okay with it.

As for my personal preference as a fan, I would just like Prometheus to be a stand alone work that expands on the fictional universe and the mythology of established in Alien without being *nudge nudge wink wink* about it. I would be very happy if the creation of the Xenomorphs in particular are never dealt with directly.

That maintains a sense of not just mystery but a natural order to the existence of the aliens, if that makes sense. Not everything needs an "origin" especially when it can just be accepted as something that simply is. This is the mistake Lucas made with explaining the force, because there was no need to.

If they do choose to reveal an "origin" for the race, then I just hope it isn't stupid or done in a way which feels like they're hammering it over my head.
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Well-said, I agree completely.

It seems like Ridley Scott intended to do the same sort of thing. He is pretty adamant about Prometheus being more of a standalone product, and while ties to Alien are probably going to be a bit more overt than he has been saying, Scott did purposefully gear the pre-production further away from Alien after bringing Lindelof in. Just remains to be seen how successfully it's been executed.
 
Just watched the Blue-Ray Alien with the 1999 commentary track.

Really cool stuff. Sigourney mentions the possibility of an Alien 5 and Ridley immediately says it would be more interesting to see what the Space Jockey is and where it came from etc.
He's obviously wanted to do this movie for a long time. And he says that he'll only do another sci-fi or horror if the material is right and it's something that hasn't been done.

Also Ridley's comments about some of the effects in the movie are awesome.

"Overexpose a ring of water and it will look like a plasma engine. What's a plasma engine? I don't know, but it sounds good. ..looks like a plasma engine to me."
 
omnomis said:
I've never denied having biases
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Wonderful.

Look up what "hack" means before using the word.
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Semantics, yay!
But hey, if you really want to go by your (fairly narrow, in my opinion) definition and discuss how much imagination went into Lost, I guess we can do that over there, you know. We could talk about Spinner's allegations regarding the premise of the show, or how much of a show of imagination and skill it is to add stuff like time travel or flashforwards (entirely novel ideas that originated straight from Lindelof's huge cranium!) to your show without bothering to have it make some kind of sense. Awesome!

You would be the only person I've ever met that thought giving someone the benefit of the doubt was ever unfair to someone.
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Well, positive bias isn't necessarily a good thing.


duckroll said:
As for my personal preference as a fan, I would just like Prometheus to be a stand alone work that expands on the fictional universe and the mythology of established in Alien without being *nudge nudge wink wink* about it. I would be very happy if the creation of the Xenomorphs in particular are never dealt with directly.

That maintains a sense of not just mystery but a natural order to the existence of the aliens, if that makes sense. Not everything needs an "origin" especially when it can just be accepted as something that simply is. This is the mistake Lucas made with explaining the force, because there was no need to.

If they do choose to reveal an "origin" for the race, then I just hope it isn't stupid or done in a way which feels like they're hammering it over my head.
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Agreed, pretty much.
It's just that I don't feel there ever was much of a "mythology" to the Alien series in the first place (I mean, what is there, outside of those damn bugs? just the company, and we really don't get a lot of details about it anyway), so an entirely original SF story would have done the trick, as far as I'm concerned (and there would have been no risk of it getting "nudge nudge wink wink"). And it's not like they're trying to capitalize on brand recognition by keeping "Alien" in the title or anything like that either, so...


FoneBone said:
The vast majority of TV shows don't get an endpoint set three years in advance, though.
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And don't falsely pretend to have their mythology planned from the beginning ("it makes no sense right now, but just trust us and keep watching!")...
 
sc0la said:
Fuuuuuuuu....

don't know if this has been talked about. DLed the 1080p apple version and
Noomi clearly has a caesarian section wound and staples on her abs. @ 2:06 in the trailer http://i.imgur.com/k3gZR.jpg
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I can't recall who had posted the screengrab of it, but
we're pretty much sure that this shot happens after Noomi wakes up in the tube, with some crazy piece of surgical hardware holding what looks quite like a chestburster...right?
 
Zeliard said:
Duckroll at what point would you consider a connection between Prometheus and Alien too egregious? If it ends up that the Space Jockeys created the xenomorphs (or did something that led to their creation), which seems the predictable route, would that be going too far?
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Why would someone object to what was already heavily implied in the original movie?
 
Scullibundo said:
Don't laugh. Cameron has hinted in interviews that there is a narrative reason that the Na'vi are bipeds, whilst everything else on the planet is a hexapod. He hinted that they may have been seeded and that the sequels might deal with it.
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Scullibundo said:
They were always bipedal and humanoid. They just used to be less sympathetic looking. Early concepts had each braid of their hair as being tentacle-like and having sinewy black eyes. Ultimately, it would have made it incredibly awkward to watch Jake fuck this thing. I remember Cameron explaining that one of the last notes he gave to the team of artists in coming to the final design of Neytiri is that 'the audience has to want to fuck her.'
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highest grossing movie ever, people. Yup.


stupid shitty story, but so preeeetttyyy. Goddammit. :P
 
duckroll said:
Dead might be the only one here who even knows what I'm talking about when I mentioned the Golden Bough. Lol.
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Zeitgeister said:
highest grossing movie ever, people. Yup.

stupid shitty story, but so preeeetttyyy. Goddammit. :P
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Actually putting thought and reasoning behind everything in a movie rather than just throwing shit at the screen incoherently = stupidly shitty now? Whats funny is that 95% of the rest of the hollywood shit that gets popular is way worse in all forms of execution and content, yet it gets not even half the hate. 3 Billion dollahs does a lot to instigate a hard on for hate apparently.
 
Dead said:
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Oh, right, speaking of prequ- *gunshot*

I don't think I have the courage to check the new series out, duckroll. Can I count on you to finally explain whether or not it's a prequel / sequel / the same universe / whatever, in the end?
 
Confidence Man said:
I don't think we'll ever see the actual alien race behind everything. I certainly don't think they'd spoil something like that in a trailer anyway.

The jockey we see in the trailers is a more intelligent kind of xenomorph engineered for utilitarian functions (like piloting a ship) rather than warfare or species eradication like the one we're familiar with. The "engineers" are long gone, hinted at but left unexplained.
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Yep I think that's exactly it, and I hope that's the case. I like leaving things unexplained.
 
Zeliard said:
It's the difference between implication and explication. Some people just want certain things to retain an air of mystery and speculation and I can understand that.
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To further that thought, It's the reason the Prequels were never going to be good no matter if they got better actors, directors, writers etc..

We didn't need to see how Darth Vader began just like we don't need to see the Space Jockey (that's still a dumbass name btw). Nothing they could write would live up to the mystery.
 
JB1981 said:
Lol.. Before I knew that was actually the guys name, I thought Hicks was saying "Where's Baski!??"
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sc0la said:
Fuuuuuuuu....

don't know if this has been talked about. DLed the 1080p apple version and
Noomi clearly has a caesarian section wound and staples on her abs. @ 2:06 in the trailer http://i.imgur.com/k3gZR.jpg
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Nice catch. Do we spoiler this stuff?
Probably that squid that was being held over her in the tube. I'm guessing that's the kind of thing that grows from the thing slithering into that dude's eye, and ultimately the giant tentacle going into the suit.
 
Dead said:
Actually putting thought and reasoning behind everything in a movie rather than just throwing shit at the screen incoherently = stupidly shitty now? Whats funny is that 95% of the rest of the hollywood shit that gets popular is way worse in all forms of execution, yet gets not even half the hate. 3 Billion dollahs does a lot to instigate a hard on for hate apparently.
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Oh there's no doubt that Cameron puts more effort and thought into making movies that make money than anyone else. I just wish he put more effort and thought into, you know, scripts that are actually good.
 
Branduil said:
Oh there's no doubt that Cameron puts more effort and thought into making movies that make money than anyone else. I just wish he put more effort and thought into, you know, scripts that are actually good.
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I mean, there's a reason many still hold The Matrix as a gold standard of modern mainstream american Sci-Fi rather than Inception, despite it being one of the most derivative stories of all time. Ones a tight, well told film, with a clear script and the other is convoluted to almost comical levels, just because.
 
Dead said:
I mean, there's a reason many still hold The Matrix as a gold standard of modern mainstream american Sci-Fi rather than Inception, despite it being one of the most derivative stories of all time. Ones a tight, well told film, with a clear script and the other is convoluted to almost comical levels, just because.
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Well, one is also over a decade older. In any case, it's not a binary choice between simple pablum and convoluted incoherency.
 
Branduil said:
Well, one is also over a decade older. In any case, it's not a binary choice between simple pablum and convoluted incoherency.
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Then what major modern blockbusters do you think reach that middle ground? I think Prometheus will, hopefully.

Lord of the Rings, Batman Begins...I would say Star Trek if it weren't for its script being a degree too close to the Transformers side of stupid.
 
Dead said:
Then what major modern blockbusters do you think reach that middle ground? I think Prometheus will.

Lord of the Rings, Batman Begins...I would say Star Trek if it weren't for its script being a degree too close to the Transformers side of stupid.
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Yeah, definitely not Trek.

I'm still trying to figure out which of Cameron's scripts Branduil is talking about.
 
Dead said:
Then what major modern blockbusters do you think reach that middle ground? I think Prometheus will.

Lord of the Rings, Batman Begins...I would say Star Trek if it weren't for its script being a degree too close to the Transformers side of stupid.
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Star Trek is indeed not a great script, though I still like it over Avatar as I find the character interaction more genuine and entertaining. I think a number of Pixar films have great scripts as well.

And obviously, the original Alien had a very nice script.
 
Dead said:
Then what major modern blockbusters do you think reach that middle ground? I think Prometheus will, hopefully.

Lord of the Rings, Batman Begins...I would say Star Trek if it weren't for its script being a degree too close to the Transformers side of stupid.
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The Incredibles?
 
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