Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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You know, not once has anyone who has gone to say "herp derp you just want a happy ending", ever actually said why a happy ending is a bad thing or the option of one is a bad thing. Shouldn't a game supposedly about choice have that option for you to earn that happy ending? To actually have every thing you do matter? Wasn't that one of the good things about the suicide mission, being able to get youre entire crew out unscathed? But no, bleak nonsensical endings are some how better.

I think AngryJoe hits the nail on the head when he said trying to pull a twist like the Starchild out at the last minute and end with ambiguity is not unique in this day and age (and is in fact, the norm). This game really made me think about what endings I truly enjoyed and how they played out and some of the my personal favorite game endings are just simple, straight forward, plot wrap ups. Uncharted 2 is great because it closes all of the character arcs for the game and ends on some fantastic banter between the two leads. The only ending that I can think of off the top of my head that ends with a quality "twist" (although GAF was able to figure it out a week before the episode aired) was the fourth season finale of Breaking Bad where
they zoom in on a the lily of the valley.
 
You know, not once has anyone who has gone to say "herp derp you just want a happy ending", ever actually said why a happy ending is a bad thing or the option of one is a bad thing. Shouldn't a game supposedly about choice have that option for you to earn that happy ending? To actually have every thing you do matter? Wasn't that one of the good things about the suicide mission, being able to get youre entire crew out unscathed? But no, bleak nonsensical endings are some how better.

Corny, happy, Jesus Shepard walks out of burning Citadel/Harbinger/Reaper/Crucible/whatever, while everyone cheers, and a huge ceremony takes place afterwards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we got. Having an "artsy," downer, or twist ending for the sake of it without even a CHOICE of a totally "happy" ending in a series supposedly based on just that is a joke.
 
Well, basically it's because literally nothing you did mattered. No quest mattered, no choice mattered. All those sacrifices of loyal crew members that tugged at your heart string were proven to be nothing at all.

The entire universe they spent 3 games building, they tore down because they weren't clever or studious enough to do anything else with it. They said, "Hey, loved Mass Effect? Too bad. It's utterly destroyed, and you wasted every second that you played it. It all meant nothing, and we couldn't even be arsed to give you a proper ending! Thanks for the money, asshole! Buy our DLC!"

Decisions mean something while you're making them, and do effect who's around at the end with a chance to survive. The Relays were going up one way or another to stop the Reapers reaping.

Aside from those bits that made no sense and the motivation of the Catalyst and Reapers, I'm okay with the Blue ending for my good guy Shepard. He didn't buy that inevitable cycles guff and went down saving what was left of the galaxy and the Geth.
 
Decisions mean something while you're making them, and do effect who's around at the end with a chance to survive. The Relays were going up one way or another to stop the Reapers reaping.

Aside from those bits that made no sense and the motivation of the Catalyst and Reapers, I'm okay with the Blue ending for my good guy Shepard. He didn't buy that inevitable cycles guff and went down saving what was left of the galaxy and the Geth.

Blue ending probably means Shepard goes insane like a WoW hero and becomes the raid boss for the Mass Effect MMO.
 
No matter what kinda ending they had, it wouldn't be "happy". Even after defeating the reapers, billions of people were dead. Earth is in Ruins. Wrex made that comment about humans needing a new home world. Thessia and Palavan had fallen. Even if Shepard made it to the citadel, activated the crucible, blew up all the reapers, then walked out smoking a cigar, the ending would still be rather devastating. Especially considering the refugee camp that was on the Citadel.
 
People here may have already seen this video elsewhere, but I think this is easily the best video on "what should have been" for ME3's ending:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqAhKW7498

Yes, it is just some nerd talking to a webcam for half an hour, but everyone should watch (or just listen to it) anyway. Just envisioning his explanation of what could have been is rather cathartic for me. The way he articulates how different actions and decisions could have come together in the end was what I needed to hear. The needless anger and negativity still getting thrown about by a lot of fans is getting repetitive and tiresome, but this guy's video is refreshing.

I also appreciate the fact that he gives respect where respect is due in regards to Mass Effect 3: the ending is upsetting, but that doesn't change the fact that ME3 is still a fantastic game. It's hard to take some fans seriously when they say the last ten minutes of this game retroactively makes the entire ME3 experience bad.

Great video. A massive epilogue could have been so fucking awesome. What a cluster fuck the ending is.
 
I hope that picture tonitoni posted isn't real.

Looks like a little kid's brainstorming assignment..

It is real (from ME3: The Final Hours) And it changed this thread tone from 'I can't believe EA and Bioware are forcing the real ending as DLC'
mass-effect-dlc-message-21.jpg

To 'AHAHAH OMG WTFISTHISSHIT'
 
Decisions mean something while you're making them, and do effect who's around at the end with a chance to survive. The Relays were going up one way or another to stop the Reapers reaping.

Aside from those bits that made no sense and the motivation of the Catalyst and Reapers, I'm okay with the Blue ending for my good guy Shepard. He didn't buy that inevitable cycles guff and went down saving what was left of the galaxy and the Geth.

Nope, none of that affected anything whatsoever. Just changed the color of the magic beam. Blue, green, red...all the same thing. Everybody dies, or is doomed to die very shortly. Except the Beth, who do not have to eat.

Choices!
 
No matter what kinda ending they had, it wouldn't be "happy". Even after defeating the reapers, billions of people were dead. Earth is in Ruins. Wrex made that comment about humans needing a new home world. Thessia and Palavan had fallen. Even if Shepard made it to the citadel, activated the crucible, blew up all the reapers, then walked out smoking a cigar, the ending would still be rather devastating. Especially considering the refugee camp that was on the Citadel.

If Kelly survives ME2, you can berate her on the Citadel in ME3 and drive to suicide. This is is no doubt a better fate that what probably happened to her on the Citadel once the reapers got it. Especially given the fact that she has PTSD from the collector kidnapping.

RenegadeShepard is really paragon shepard with this ending.
 
No matter what kinda ending they had, it wouldn't be "happy". Even after defeating the reapers, billions of people were dead. Earth is in Ruins. Wrex made that comment about humans needing a new home world. Thessia and Palavan had fallen. Even if Shepard made it to the crucible, blew up all the reapers, then walked out smoking a cigar, the ending would still be rather devastating. Especially considering the refugee camp that was on the Citadel.

People should just be content - from a "happy ending" standpoint - that the Reapers are kaput and future cycles won't have to deal with the perverse schemings of an ancient, arrogant asshole. :P
 
No matter what kinda ending they had, it wouldn't be "happy". Even after defeating the reapers, billions of people were dead. Earth is in Ruins. Wrex made that comment about humans needing a new home world. Thessia and Palavan had fallen. Even if Shepard made it to the citadel, activated the crucible, blew up all the reapers, then walked out smoking a cigar, the ending would still be rather devastating. Especially considering the refugee camp that was on the Citadel.

I think the difference between what we have now and what could have been is bitter shit vs. bittersweet.
 
Gross. :P

The Good Shepard is supposed to sacrifice himself, doods.

EFF. THAT. ESS. Mass Effect is about my Shep being Space Superman. I'm a-ok with him not dying, which he apparently DOESN'T with 5000 EMS. Plus dude already died in ME2, I think that's enough now, GUISE. RIGHT, GUISE?

Anyway, this is where "wildly different endings" would've given everyone a chance to get what they want. Unfortunately we're all screwed now.

No matter what kinda ending they had, it wouldn't be "happy". Even after defeating the reapers, billions of people were dead. Earth is in Ruins. Wrex made that comment about humans needing a new home world. Thessia and Palavan had fallen. Even if Shepard made it to the citadel, activated the crucible, blew up all the reapers, then walked out smoking a cigar, the ending would still be rather devastating. Especially considering the refugee camp that was on the Citadel.

Well, fine, there's your downer ending. On a galactic level, it's still a mess. Doesn't mean we can't have a "happy" or fulfilling ending on a personal level with the characters we've been following for 5 years.
 
If Kelly survives ME2, you can berate her on the Citadel in ME3 and drive to suicide. This is is no doubt a better fate that what probably happened to her on the Citadel once the reapers got it. Especially given the fact that she has PTSD from the collector kidnapping.

RenegadeShepard is really paragon shepard with this ending.

Talk about kicking someone when they're down. Can you imagine what she was feeling in the final moments as she saw the various husks coming towards her. Maybe she was alive when the Reaper's started to convert her into a husk ...
 
Talk about kicking someone when they're down. Can you imagine what she was feeling in the final moments as she saw the various husks coming towards her. Maybe she was alive when the Reaper's started to convert her into a husk ...

Cannibal probably got her in the leg with a shot. As she tried to limp/crawl away they were on her. Started eating her alive. In her last moments she was having flashbacks to the collector base, wonder, crying, bawling "Where is Shepard!"
 
Talk about kicking someone when they're down. Can you imagine what she was feeling in the final moments as she saw the various husks coming towards her. Maybe she was alive when the Reaper's started to convert her into a husk ...

At first I was sad that Cerberus got to her, but considering this alternative, I'm glad she was dead already and not on the citadel. I thought about starting over and making her change her name, but now I don't have to.
 
Talk about kicking someone when they're down. Can you imagine what she was feeling in the final moments as she saw the various husks coming towards her. Maybe she was alive when the Reaper's started to convert her into a husk ...

Can you feel it? I am actively hating you through Firefox. I have an extension that lets me do that.

You too Toku.
 
It is real (from ME3: The Final Hours) And it changed this thread tone from 'I can't believe EA and Bioware are forcing the real ending as DLC'
mass-effect-dlc-message-21.jpg

To 'AHAHAH OMG WTFISTHISSHIT'

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I'm officially done with anything BioWare related. Mac Walters and Casey Hudson shouldn't even have a job anymore..

I can't recall the last time I was this sad/disappointed. I held out hope thinking EA's greed just forced BioWare to sell the real ending as DLC but that's not the case.

Thanks for showing me this. I can now sell this game and put it towards something better..
 
Is there any explanation on why Harbinger became mute in ME3?


"We are harbinger"

"assuming control"


All throughout Me2, yet he was silent in part 3.
 
Nope, none of that affected anything whatsoever. Just changed the color of the magic beam. Blue, green, red...all the same thing. Everybody dies, or is doomed to die very shortly. Except the Beth, who do not have to eat.

Choices!

The Geth can help out with farming and rebuilding. Maybe even figure out how to build some new Relays, they're good for long duration space flight.

We can rebuild!
 
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I'm officially done with anything BioWare related. Mac Walters and Casey Hudson shouldn't even have a job anymore..

I can't recall the last time I was this sad/disappointed. I held out hope thinking EA's greed just forced BioWare to sell the real ending as DLC but that's not the case.

Thanks for showing me this. I can now sell this game and put it towards something better..

If you sell it, you're just subjecting somebody else to that ending. Could you live with yourself if you did?

The Geth can help out with farming and rebuilding. Maybe even figure out how to build some new Relays, they're good for long duration space flight.

We can rebuild!

You assume the Geth don't require resources. Who knows what powers them. Hopefully it's not Eezo or they're screwed.
 
The catalyst/citadel when activated, should have just killed all organics in the universe. Saved them from being turned into paste. Harbinger laughs in the epilogue. "YOU CANNOT WIN. THERE IS NO HOPE FOR ORGANIC LIFE. IT MUST ALWAYS END IN YOUR DEATHS." Cut to all of them returning to dark space.
 
Is there any explanation on why Harbinger became mute in ME3?


"We are harbinger"

"assuming control"


All throughout Me2, yet he was silent in part 3.

VA money went to the different tints for the magic, destroying all life in the universe ray.
 
Damn. I was just listening to "The End Run" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCk4RiKH9H0&feature=related ) again and remembered how amazing the suicide mission was. As much as I hated the main story's detour away from the Reapers in ME2, the suicide mission was amazing from beginning to end and really should serve as a model for ME3's ending. The feeling of seeing Shepard sprint out of the Collector's base with the music playing knowing that Shepard just pulled off the impossible is amazing. It is both uplifting and satisfying and keeps you wanting more from the game.
 
I think it is Bioware's best option moving forward. Even though Bioware didn't plan it out, the "theory" is pretty airtight and explains a lot of the random garbage seen throughout the game and the ending. It would also allow Bioware to craft a proper boss fight with Harbinger, and who knows what else (depending on the size of the DLC/expansion, they could add much more to the battle). Yes, it would never feel entirely right because we will always know Bioware flubbed the "real" ending out of the gate, but indoctrination, by keeping with the themes and plot devices of the series, allows Bioware to effectively right their wrong.

Oh boy another boss fight where we shuffling side-to-side laser-painting a Reaper til he's dead.

Why are we encouraging Bioware to retcon this? They made their bed, now they have to lie in it. Backing away would be utter cowardice and sending the wrong message. What's done is done. It sucks but we shouldn't be giving them get-out-of-jail-free cards.
 
Just started replaying ME3 again and I'm reminded about how much I enjoyed the game before the ending. I tried several classes before I finally decided on the all-biotic one. Engineer is OK, but the drones and turret are just too stupid to be very useful IMO. I love how many powers you get with the biotic class. You can't do shit against shields, but I just bring EDI and Garus along for that.

Solving the Genophage and Quarian/Geth stuff is just so well done and is incredibly satisfying. This is the first game in the series where I don't want to do the REALLY renegade choices because of how f-ed up they are. It's probably because I've grown so attached to these issues over the last two games. I thought it would be funny to see the results of cheating on Ashley with Miranda in ME2, but it just made be sad when I made Miranda cry. :( Ashely's swimsuit comment was hilarious, though. "I wear ARMOR into battle Shepard, not a swimsuit!"

It just makes me all the more sad at how much they dropped the ball with the Reaper storyline (you know, THE MAIN ONE). They just seemed COMPLETELY indestructible in this game unless you have the giant magic wand to do it. In ME1 wasn't the Normandy able to rip through Sovereign with a single shot? (or was that because you "killed" him when he possessed Saren?) You do kill the one on Tuchanka with the Giant Thresher Maw and another one with the help of an entire fleet, but those are the only 2 that you see get destroyed in a satisfying way.

Mass Effect was never some kind of intellectual Sci-Fi series and I really don't appreciate them trying to make it one with the trippy ending it had. ME1 wouldn't have been NEARLY as satisfying of an ending if the scene where Joker blasts Sovereign apart was done in slow motion with only soft piano music being played.

If we aren't past sharing self indulgent fan fiction, my perfect ending would have been a perfect recreation of the end of Independence Day, only with Shepard as Will Smith and your crew members as Jeff Goldblum.

-Fly into the Reaper mothership (Catalyst, Citadel, whatever)
-Upload a virus that effects Reaper shields (they are synthetic so it makes more sense than space magic)
-Punch half-TIM, half-Harbinger off into Earth's atmosphere ("Welcome to erf")
-Fly out before everything explodes (or not depending on ship readiness)
-Reaper shields go down, fleet destroys them (depending on readiness)

Cut to award ceremony 1 year later.
-Dramatic music, Shepard and surviving crew getting medals/smoking cigars,
-little blue space kids/Racist Ashley baby/clone Miranda+Shep baby/half-turian, -half-human abomination/etc.
-License Star Wars New Hope end credit song or the Star Trek theme for credits
-Fake blooper reel: Messing up lines, cell phone call during Chat with Reaper, etc.

Would pay another $60 for this. MONEY IN THE BANK BIOWARE!
 
Why are we encouraging Bioware to retcon this? They made their bed, now they have to lie in it. Backing away would be utter cowardice and sending the wrong message. What's done is done. It sucks but we shouldn't be giving them get-out-of-jail-free cards.

Agreed. What's done is done, and what has been seen cannot be unseen. There's no point in retconning this mess. They should stand behind the ending, learn from their mistakes, and not even consider wasting time on any "band-aid" DLC that only a fraction of the audience will see. The "magic" won't even be there if they attempt to backtrack and change the end. It'll just come off as a cheap way to make people happy.
 
Agreed. What's done is done, and what has been seen cannot be unseen. There's no point in retconning this mess. They should stand behind the ending, learn from their mistakes, and not even consider wasting time on any "band-aid" DLC that only a fraction of the audience will see. The "magic" won't even be there if they attempt to backtrack and change the end. It'll just come off as a cheap way to make people happy.

What I don't understand is why BioWare ended it like that at all, when they will obviously want to sell (I assume) at least 3 DLC missions. Surely they knew people wouldn't be half as interested in them when they know how it ends.

"Here's some more missions that don't matter, 1200 Microsoft Points please"
 
What I don't understand is why BioWare ended it like that at all, when they will obviously want to sell (I assume) at least 3 DLC missions. Surely they knew people wouldn't be half as interested in them when they know how it ends.

"Here's some more missions that don't matter, 1200 Microsoft Points please"

Even though Net_Wrecker and Tookay are right, I was actually hoping for a real ending would be one of those DLCs.
 
Agreed. What's done is done, and what has been seen cannot be unseen. There's no point in retconning this mess. They should stand behind the ending, learn from their mistakes, and not even consider wasting time on any "band-aid" DLC that only a fraction of the audience will see. The "magic" won't even be there if they attempt to backtrack and change the end. It'll just come off as a cheap way to make people happy.

I wouldn't be opposed to a new ending, but being realistic it's very possible it would suck as much as the original. If this is truly the end of the storyline for the time being (going by Hudson's comment that future ME games take place before ME3) I think it deserves another go; I'd certainly appreciate it because I don't think I'll be adding any more bioware games to my shelf
 
(going by Hudson's comment that future ME games take place before ME3)

Which in itself is a horrible idea. I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather the story move forward. Add in that terrible ending, why the hell would anyone want to play in that universe over and over and know that conclusion.
 
Which in itself is a horrible idea. I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather the story move forward. Add in that terrible ending, why the hell would anyone want to play in that universe over and over and know that conclusion.

Nah, they can totally have some small citadel cop story, a FPS on the first contact war or something on Aria taking over Omega

As Casey Hudson has said, the citadel can totally be NYC, with a bazillion stories told about it in the past/present/future. I honest;y don't think I want them to do something past ME3, unless they 'fix' the ending I don't think they can go past what shepard has done.
 
I really don't understand why people would want a new ending. It reminds me of a story I saw either today or yesterday on the Internet about someone wanting a picture of him and a girlfriend or a friend or relative Photoshopped together because they did not have a photo with both of them in it together. I sort of understand the reason why someone would want this, but I personally wouldn't because I would know it is a lie, something that is not the truth. In a lesser sense, it is like setting your watch five minutes fast so that you are on time to everything; you know what the correct time is.

The game, the trilogy, has ended. It was a bad ending. They can try to patch the game by changing the ending, adding a new choice, or adding DLC to expand the end, but it won't change the fact that we already have the end. They can try to add a new "canonical ending", but it would be the same thing: a lie. It is like trying to accept the fact that the new Star Wars is canonical. It is not.

Anyway, I think more than anything I'm just bummed that Mass Effect is over with. And compounding this sadness is the fact that the ending was handled so flagrantly.
 
If we aren't past sharing self indulgent fan fiction, my perfect ending would have been a perfect recreation of the end of Independence Day, only with Shepard as Will Smith and your crew members as Jeff Goldblum.

-Fly into the Reaper mothership (Catalyst, Citadel, whatever)
-Upload a virus that effects Reaper shields (they are synthetic so it makes more sense than space magic)
-Punch half-TIM, half-Harbinger off into Earth's atmosphere ("Welcome to erf")
-Fly out before everything explodes (or not depending on ship readiness)
-Reaper shields go down, fleet destroys them (depending on readiness)

Cut to award ceremony 1 year later.
-Dramatic music, Shepard and surviving crew getting medals/smoking cigars,
-little blue space kids/Racist Ashley baby/clone Miranda+Shep baby/half-turian, -half-human abomination/etc.
-License Star Wars New Hope end credit song or the Star Trek theme for credits
-Fake blooper reel: Messing up lines, cell phone call during Chat with Reaper, etc.

Would pay another $60 for this. MONEY IN THE BANK BIOWARE!
Not everyone wants a big Hollywood ending! Art!
 
I'm concluding my first day after being exposed to the piece of shit fuckwad we got as an ending. Still pissed and am probably gonna dream of 10 ideas that are better than we got. Goodnight GAF; really hoping Bioware listens to us.
 
I really don't understand why people would want a new ending. It reminds me of a story I saw either today or yesterday on the Internet about someone wanting a picture of him and a girlfriend or a friend or relative Photoshopped together because they did not have a photo with both of them in it together. I sort of understand the reason why someone would want this, but I personally wouldn't because I would know it is a lie, something that is not the truth. In a lesser sense, it is like setting your watch five minutes fast so that you are on time to everything; you know what the correct time is.

The game, the trilogy, has ended. It was a bad ending. They can try to patch the game by changing the ending, adding a new choice, or adding DLC to expand the end, but it won't change the fact that we already have the end. They can try to add a new "canonical ending", but it would be the same thing: a lie. It is like trying to accept the fact that the new Star Wars is canonical. It is not.

Anyway, I think more than anything I'm just bummed that Mass Effect is over with. And compounding this sadness is the fact that the ending was handled so flagrantly.

A new ending is only as much of a lie as you want it to be. Canon is canon, whatever the developers chose to make it and, hypothetically, if they erased the existing ending to retcon a new one in then that becomes the canon ending. That is how the series ends.

Whether or not that's acceptable to you is another matter entirely.
 
I'm concluding my first day after being exposed to the piece of shit fuckwad we got as an ending. Still pissed and am probably gonna dream of 10 ideas that are better than we got. Goodnight GAF; really hoping Bioware listens to us.
Listens to what? I don't think they'd bother to do something new. By next year everyone will have forgotten.

I had a few dreams the following days after the end about Shepard and The Normandy. :?
 
Which in itself is a horrible idea. I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather the story move forward. Add in that terrible ending, why the hell would anyone want to play in that universe over and over and know that conclusion.

Yup. Mass Effect 4 being set right at the resurgence of interstellar travel post-Mass Relay destruction would be interesting. Would give the series a reason to go back to exploration based gameplay, could make for some new races that might have moved in from dark space/other galaxies after the Reaper war, and opportunities to see what happened to the galaxy in the span of time it took for Mass Relay-like travel to be "reinvented."

I'm usually opposed to prequels, "interquels", parallel stories, or whatever in general. I'd much rather see the story pushed forward to look back on things that have already happened, even this ridiculous ending.
 
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