The realities of being a black male in America.

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Sincerely, I never had to think about any of the issues the OP brought up. And no one has ever confronted me about anything regarding any of them either.

Like, I literally have done everything against what is listed in the OP, gotten away with it, and no one has ever cared. I don't even think about any of that, ever. I never have to be that self conscious out of fear of what other people will do to me if I'm acting normally.

I'm weirded out by all the white guys saying they were subject to similar forces.

edit: The only thing I can think of right now that I feel weird about doing, as if someone might call me out on it, is chilling out by a playground.
 
Yes. And so does:

-When in a store don't have your hands in your pockets.

-When buying something from the store always get it in a bag.

-Don't stand too close to women.


-If you are with a group(of black guys) don't look like you are up to something.

And

-Always have you hands visible and open when talking to police.

Can you agree that maybe these things apply to everyone to one degree or another, but being Black tends to make people even more suspicious on top of that?

Actually, I'll flatly assert that the "hands in the pockets" thing or the "always get it in a bag" thing is something that has never, ever crossed my mind. I have never had to give a moment's thought to how I am perceived in that kind of situation. Is it because I'm White? Can't say for sure, but when a Black person says they do have to think about that stuff because they are Black, I have no reason to doubt it.
 
It ain't easy being black, but I love myself and I appreciate the adversity I've encountered from being so. It has built so much character within me.
 
Um, these are lessons most kids should learn/know.

But hey, more race talk! Boring, boring, boring. One day people will stop grouping themselves by such a silly thing like skin color. Until then, stupid news articles galore!



The black experience? WTF is this crap? Is this like tripping and writing down the details?

Are you a minority?
 
Then tell us the point.

mumei said:
But That Happens To Me Too!

In attempting to communicate with you, the Marginalised Person™ may bring up examples of the sorts of daily manifestations of discrimination they face. Many of these examples seem trivial to Privileged People® but clearly reflect the way the Marginalised Person™ has been “othered” by society. “Othering” is a system of social markers that defines “Us” and “them”, neatly and conveniently categorising people into their appropriate places within society. It’s a way of defining a secured and positive position in the world by stigmatising “others”. In other words, it’s the process of dehumanising anyone different to the Chosen Privileged.

The Marginalised Person™ you’re dealing with has been subjected to this “othering”.

This means that their body is viewed as public property and the personal, intricate details of their lives and being are perceived as free information.

You must nod patiently as the Marginalised Person™ tries to gain your understanding of the many complicated and subtle ways this othering impacts their lives until they come across a point that seems particularly grating for them. Then you must say “oh, but I experience that too!”

For example, people of African descent often express outrage and irritation at the fact many white people believe they can freely touch their hair. This invasion of their personal space is dressed up as flattery - “oh, what beautiful hair you have!” and permission is not sought or granted before the action is taken. “That happens to everyone!” you must exclaim. “My child has beautiful white-blonde hair and people are always touching it!”

Sex workers, as another example, often endure highly intimate questions regarding all aspects of their lives, sexual habits and client interactions. When they gripe about how invasive this is, you must equate it to your own work: “Oh, I know, I’m a lawyer and people always want to know what goes on in court!” “Totally, I’m a doctor and people are always asking about gross conditions I see!”

With a trans person, many people expect all the details of the transition process should be made available to them, including details of how they “transform“. When they talk about how frustrating this is, you must commiserate: “Yeah, don’t you hate the way men always want you to explain the mysteries of make-up and skin care!” you should blithely exclaim.

If you are speaking to a fat person who is complaining about the lack of fashion-forward and beautiful clothing made in their size, try something like: “The fashion industry sucks! They just do not make clothes for real bodies - I mean, just because I am a size four doesn’t mean I’m short! Jeans are always too short on me!”

Without a doubt, one of the most powerful tactics to use here is comparing male circumcision to female genital mutilation. In any discussion around FGM, make sure you quickly leap in and say: "But why is it ok for little boys to be mutilated? Why isn't anyone talking about that?" Because the removal of a tiny flap of skin is entirely comparable to the crippling mutilation many young girls are subjected to.

What this demonstrates is your total lack of understanding of what “othering” means in a practical sense. You’re ignoring the way your life is otherwise entirely immersed in a state of absolute privilege and revealing the fact you fail to comprehend the process of objectification and marginalising they go through all the time. When you are Privileged®, “similar” experiences simply do not happen on an equal footing because they do not otherwise reflect marginalisation. This obliviousness is highly insensitive and trivialising and will definitely cause them to grind their teeth!

But it’s also an important step in affirming your privilege: Privileged People® are accustomed, after all, to it being “all about them”. Not used to simply sitting back and listening to othered people‘s issues, Privileged People® like to be the centre of attention at all times. It reminds them that they are important. By doing this, you will feel good about yourself and send a crucial message to the Marginalised Person™ (yes you really can diminish their experience by making it all about you, all the time!).

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I can't quite put my finger on why, but some of the responses to this topic have brought this to mind:

That's actually quite interesting since I'm probably the privileged person, but I still don't understand. If I've experienced the same things how does it make it different if I'm white?

I honestly do want to understand the point, I'm not being snarky or anything.
 
Raised in small town Canada and white, my mom taught me this when I was young. Why? Because she was a store owner and store owners watch their customers and these are signals that something is going to get ripped off.

As a minority you have to know these because as soon as you walk into a store people start staring at you, and look for any reason to get you to leave, at least in my experience. On the other hand, I have white friends that steal constantly and always have tells, but they never get caught, because for the most part no one pays attention to them.
 
Are you a minority?

Depends on what I'm doing and what you are referring to.

My eye color isn't the majority, so my eye color is in the minority. Um, I'm skinny, so in America I would be in the minority with weight. Hmmm what else can I needlessly say about myself to group myself in with others....
 
Depends on what I'm doing and what you are referring to.

My eye color isn't the majority, so my eye color is in the minority. Um, I'm skinny, so in America I would be in the minority with weight. Hmmm what else can I needlessly say about myself to group myself in with others....

Why are you being purposely obtuse?
 
Depends on what I'm doing and what you are referring to.

My eye color isn't the majority, so my eye color is in the minority. Um, I'm skinny, so in America I would be in the minority with weight. Hmmm what else can I needlessly say about myself to group myself in with others....
Are you serious? Grow up.
 
That's actually quite interesting since I'm probably the privileged person, but I still don't understand. If I've experienced the same things how does it make it different if I'm white?

I honestly do want to understand the point, I'm not being snarky or anything.

Because they're not part of a larger narrative that has been marginalizing your race. Ask yourself how often it happens or if you can honestly say it was because of being white that something occurred.
 
I don't think it's entirely race motivated but rather how you present yourself. How you dress is associated at least on a subconscious level with what kind of person you're choosing to represent yourself as. If you choose to follow a more hiphop style with a hoody/jersey and pants wrapping somewhere around your lower hips, then you're choosing to be affiliated with the gang member/hood persona by onlookers. This isn't only for minorities, anyone dressing like this would most likely be avoided under most circumstances by more docile civilians unless they have more intimate knowledge of the person in question. Racism is no doubt still ingrained in some idiots minds but as a whole it's certainly not to the extreme as it once was.
 
Depends on what I'm doing and what you are referring to.

My eye color isn't the majority, so my eye color is in the minority. Um, I'm skinny, so in America I would be in the minority with weight. Hmmm what else can I needlessly say about myself to group myself in with others....

Don't act like race is something as trivial as eye color or weight. It really defines you. You think minorities want to further emphasize their differences so they can be looked down upon even more? Oxrock no matter how well you dress you will still get dirty looks as a minority.
 
Depends on what I'm doing and what you are referring to.

My eye color isn't the majority, so my eye color is in the minority. Um, I'm skinny, so in America I would be in the minority with weight. Hmmm what else can I needlessly say about myself to group myself in with others....

Really.
 
Why are you being purposely obtuse?

It's all how you look at it, right?

Are you serious? Grow up.

Thanks for the insult!

Don;t act like race is something as trivial as eye color or weight. It really defines you. You think minorities want to further emphasize their differences so they can be looked down upon even more?

You do realize that it isn't just minorities that push this propaganda do you? You know that certain people in power, especially in our government, WANT you to focus on your race so you stay separated from me?
 
That's actually quite interesting since I'm probably the privileged person, but I still don't understand. If I've experienced the same things how does it make it different if I'm white?

I honestly do want to understand the point, I'm not being snarky or anything.

C'mon, man, you've got to read. This is addressed specifically.

What this demonstrates is your total lack of understanding of what “othering” means in a practical sense. You’re ignoring the way your life is otherwise entirely immersed in a state of absolute privilege and revealing the fact you fail to comprehend the process of objectification and marginalising they go through all the time. When you are Privileged®, “similar” experiences simply do not happen on an equal footing because they do not otherwise reflect marginalisation. This obliviousness is highly insensitive and trivialising and will definitely cause them to grind their teeth!
 
It's not color but more behavior/mannerisms plus how you look. My father flat out told me when I was young. Don't act like a *igga and you won't get treated like one.

Youth today emulate way too much of that culture then bitch about how they are treated badly.
 
Depends on what I'm doing and what you are referring to.

My eye color isn't the majority, so my eye color is in the minority. Um, I'm skinny, so in America I would be in the minority with weight. Hmmm what else can I needlessly say about myself to group myself in with others....

so you're white.
 

I completely agree with the argument presented but don't think the format is particularly effective. For every piece of trademarked jargon, the person that this is meant to convince is likely to distance themselves from its message, easily writing it off as PC/liberal/feminist nonsense.
 
I don't think it's entirely race motivated but rather how you present yourself. How you dress is associated at least on a subconscious level with what kind of person you're choosing to represent yourself as. If you choose to follow a more hiphop style with a hoody/jersey and pants wrapping somewhere around your lower hips, then you're choosing to be affiliated with the gang member/hood persona by onlookers. This isn't only for minorities, anyone dressing like this would most likely be avoided under most circumstances by more docile civilians unless they have more intimate knowledge of the person in question. Racism is no doubt still ingrained in some idiots minds but as a whole it's certainly not to the extreme as it once was.

It's not as extreme as it once was, of course, but you can't sit there and say a black guy doesn't fit the stereotype more than a white guy just by the color of his skin. You have to confront these things if you're going to combat them, dude.
 
Errm I've heard most of these things and I'm white. I think this has more to do with age, teenagers because teens love to cause trouble, than race.

sounds like something every shit teenager that likes to hang around in groups will cause suspicion if they do it.

Teenagers, if there is 3 or more together on a street are CUNTS. No exceptions.
 
What is so bad about curiosity and interest in those different from you exactly? What is so insidious about being fascinated with the process of an individual going from one gender to another?

There's nothing wrong with curiosity and interest, there is something wrong with apathy or constantly trying to compare as if any bit of your plight is equivalent. People think they're just trying to sympathize with a similar incident when really you cannot, just sit down and listen.
 
It's all how you look at it, right?



Thanks for the insult!

No, it really isn't. It's not about you at all. This whole topic is about how other people perceive/treat you.

In this context, it is perfectly clear what the question means. So no, you are incorrect.
 
I don't think it's entirely race motivated but rather how you present yourself. How you dress is associated at least on a subconscious level with what kind of person you're choosing to represent yourself as. If you choose to follow a more hiphop style with a hoody/jersey and pants wrapping somewhere around your lower hips, then you're choosing to be affiliated with the gang member/hood persona by onlookers. This isn't only for minorities, anyone dressing like this would most likely be avoided under most circumstances by more docile civilians unless they have more intimate knowledge of the person in question. Racism is no doubt still ingrained in some idiots minds but as a whole it's certainly not to the extreme as it once was.

If I dressed in a tracksuit am I affiliating with the mafia?
 
sounds like something every shit teenager that likes to hang around in groups will cause suspicion if they do it.

Teenagers, if there is 3 or more together on a street are CUNTS. No exceptions.

Three black kids hanging outside at night are seen as potential burglars, three white kids hanging outside at night are seen as potentially obnoxious.
 
There's nothing wrong with curiosity and interest, there is something wrong with apathy or constantly trying to compare as if any bit of your plight is equivalent. People think they're just trying to sympathize with a similar incident when really you cannot, just sit down and listen.

This is an act of the ignorant, not the hateful. I don't see why anyone should get so worked about something like, "Ooooh! Your hair is so exotic!" Yes, it's uncultured and unworldly. But, you know what, so are a lot of Americans. Who, by the way, can do much worse as we both know too well.
 
That's actually quite interesting since I'm probably the privileged person, but I still don't understand. If I've experienced the same things how does it make it different if I'm white?

I honestly do want to understand the point, I'm not being snarky or anything.

I think that it covered that, but you might have skimmed over it as it was towards the end:

"In attempting to communicate with you, the Marginalised Person™ may bring up examples of the sorts of daily manifestations of discrimination they face. Many of these examples seem trivial to Privileged People® but clearly reflect the way the Marginalised Person™ has been “othered” by society. “Othering” is a system of social markers that defines “Us” and “them”, neatly and conveniently categorising people into their appropriate places within society. It’s a way of defining a secured and positive position in the world by stigmatising “others”. In other words, it’s the process of dehumanising anyone different to the Chosen Privileged.

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What this demonstrates is your total lack of understanding of what “othering” means in a practical sense. You’re ignoring the way your life is otherwise entirely immersed in a state of absolute privilege and revealing the fact you fail to comprehend the process of objectification and marginalising they go through all the time. When you are Privileged®, “similar” experiences simply do not happen on an equal footing because they do not otherwise reflect marginalisation.!"

That's essentially the difference; even if the experiences are superficially similar, because they don't actually reflect a process of marginalization / otherization on the basis of X characteristic that you've experienced, they aren't the same thing.
 
Lol, at white people saying this is only about how you present yourself.

When walking to work in the rain, wearing a hoody, and actually using the hood, many people give me a wide berth or think I'm trying to sell/buy crack. It is 50% neighborhood I walk through, and 50% because all the crack dealers around wear hoodies with the hood up so cops can't recognize them.

For the record, I think all the crack dealers in this neighborhood are white dudes.
 
sounds like something every shit teenager that likes to hang around in groups will cause suspicion if they do it.

Teenagers, if there is 3 or more together on a street are CUNTS. No exceptions.

What about the policy at my local high school that says 3 black men that hang out together is classified as a gang? Does that sound normal to you?
 
Depends on what I'm doing and what you are referring to.

My eye color isn't the majority, so my eye color is in the minority. Um, I'm skinny, so in America I would be in the minority with weight. Hmmm what else can I needlessly say about myself to group myself in with others....

Are you a minority in any socially or historically meaningful way? Please don't pretend that you can't understand the difference between eye color and skin color.
 
Because they're not part of a larger narrative that has been marginalizing your race. Ask yourself how often it happens or if you can honestly say it was because of being white that something occurred.

Well no, but being black and assuming that every time something acts 'shifty' around you is because you're black doesn't make sense either. But it looks like people in this thread have already said that skin colour is the only factor so I guess I'll just leave it and admit I'm ignorant about it all.
 
When walking to work in the rain, wearing a hoody, and actually using the hood, many people give me a wide berth or think I'm trying to sell/buy crack. It is 50% neighborhood I walk through, and 50% because all the crack dealers around wear hoodies with the hood up so cops can't recognize them.

How do I even reply to this? Kids everywhere wear hoodies, frequently with the hoods up, and especially so in the rain seeing as that's what the hood's for. Anyone who thinks they're all dealing crack is an idiot.
 
When walking to work in the rain, wearing a hoody, and actually using the hood, many people give me a wide berth or think I'm trying to sell/buy crack. It is 50% neighborhood I walk through, and 50% because all the crack dealers around wear hoodies with the hood up so cops can't recognize them.

So I guess with this evidence we shouldn't be wearing suits either. I don't want to look like I'm a part of the mafia.

Well no, but being black and assuming that every time something acts 'shifty' around you is because you're black doesn't make sense either. But it looks like people in this thread have already said that skin colour is the only factor so I guess I'll just leave it and admit I'm ignorant about it all.

Of course not every time, but a good deal of the time it is due to those subsconsious prejudices developed through media etc. The problem I have with your statement is that it's the throwaway counter argument to pretty much say that if you're black and someone reacts negatively to you when you're not doing anything wrong, it isn't because you are black, it's because of some other non explainable reason. Pretty much saying racism and/or prejudice doesn't exist unless someone calls you a racial epithet up front. It happens in every thread.
 
This is an act of the ignorant, not the hateful. I don't see why anyone should get so worked about something like, "Ooooh! Your hair is so exotic!" Yes, it's uncultured and unworldly. But, you know what, so are a lot of Americans. Who, by the way, can do much worse as we both know too well.

It's not hateful but it's a part of diminishing what minorities go through. The post both mumei and I endorse explains it quite thoroughly if people would actually read it and let it sink in. And I'm not trying to be an egotistical jackass about it, it's worth the read and recognizing if you do these things and why.



Well no, but being black and assuming that every time something acts 'shifty' around you is because you're black doesn't make sense either. But it looks like people in this thread have already said that skin colour is the only factor so I guess I'll just leave it and admit I'm ignorant about it all.

Are you ignoring some of the stories said in this thread in which people or their friends were targeted specifically because they were black? Once again you're part of the problem, ignoring when minorities say "this is happening" and your default frame of mind is "racism can't be that pervasive."
 
Three black kids hanging outside at night are seen as potential burglars, three white kids hanging outside at night are seen as a obnoxious (at worst).

Three black guys hanging outside a 7/11 are potential burglars, three white guys are just loiterers.

I loitered outside so many goddamn 7/11s so many times in my teenage years that I'm shocked no one ever called us out on it. Loitering for fucking hours, chilling, talking bullshit, smoking. We only made people feel a tad uncomfortable; I never noticed anyone feeling actually threatened by us. No one ever said a word to us unless they were trying to partake in conversation.
 
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