I watched this without sound, and I thought "maybe she has a fear of midgets too".
I'm waiting for white folk to provide me with a list of acceptable clothing. Clothing that combined with my skin tone will not make U feel uneasy. When that clothing is invented, use our reparation money to provide it for all of us.
Thanks.
But when you have a large swath of people saying, "I find dress and attitude more intimidating than anything", why would you write that off so casually? There's obviously something to that line of thinking and seems it would be far more productive to have an honest discussion about that, rather than metaphorically saying, "Well YOU tell ME what I'm allowed to wear, dad!" If the simple act discarding a style of dress is all it takes to remove one of the biggest or last racist or prejudiced stereotypes in a lot of people... why not do it?
Heres what I don't get. It's clear that certain styles of dress are associated with and linked to certain things. So when a certain style of dress fairly or unfairly is frequently associated with crime/violence/drugs/etc, why would you WANT to dress like that?
I'm white, but I don't dress like the fucking meth-heads down found in damn near any trailer park because I don't want people look at me and think I'm cooking up crystal meth in a trailer. I consciously avoid wearing shirts with the Tazmanian Devil adorned in 80's hip hop clothing, I don't walk around in shit-stained work boots, I make it a point not to smell like cat piss, I don't shave the sides of my head while leaving slightly more hair on top, I don't put 'bad ass' decals of of Tweety Bird and Tinker Belle on my car, etc. I actively avoid those things, as they're associated with a negative stereotype.
And sure, anyone saying things like simply wearing a hoodie makes you look like a thug is obviously a fucking moron. One article of clothing does not a style make and all that.
But when you have a large swath of people saying, "I find dress and attitude more intimidating than anything", why would you write that off so casually? There's obviously something to that line of thinking and seems it would be far more productive to have an honest discussion about that, rather than metaphorically saying, "Well YOU tell ME what I'm allowed to wear, dad!" If the simple act discarding a style of dress is all it takes to remove one of the biggest or last racist or prejudiced stereotypes in a lot of people... why not do it?
So you think that if black people started wearing suits around, white people would become afraid of white people in suits?Because it doesn't solve anything. If black people stopped wearing that, then whatever black people started wearing next would become the "one last racist/prejudiced stereotype", and why don't you just stop wearing that thing because it makes people uncomfortable, etc.
This is not new. Just change what you like to wear and wear what we wear and we'll like you. That same argument is made generation after generation. You can even go back to the Zoot Suit controversy of the 1940's.
It doesn't mean you have to, but it means you would be wise to. I'm a white guy who shaves his head. I also love to wear tank tops, affectionately known as "wife beaters". I used to wear them everywhere, and a lot of people were scared of me or assumed things about me. I'm wiser about it now and don't wear those things, though I still shave my head. I still scare people, but mostly because of my mannerisms, and I accept that. I certainly don't blame "society". I do what I do knowingly, and that means accepting the consequences.No joke, I prefer walking or riding bike over driving. Its my choice. Not yours...mine. Just because society has been wired incorrectly doesn't mean I have to change how I dress...I mean WTF? Sometimes I dress like shit, sometimes I go all out. Depends how I feel, i'm not playing dress up to please ANYONE, that isn't me or my lady.
I don't know you, I don't want to judge you. Can you though, seriously, not see how CRAZY that is to ask of us? Free beings? Just like you?
If you keep having to change yourself to support busybody whims, why would that be an ideal solution? That is unworkable. I'm sure some people think I'm a white supremacist because I shave my hair but I have to because my hair is basically gone. (Not saying it's equivalent to getting followed around a store or institutional racism before someone gets the wrong idea.) But I have to do it so if someone doesn't like it, too bad. It's still not nearly the same thing as racism, but I get different looks and have even heard what people think about loners and quiet people. There's that "it's always the quiet ones" perception that all loners are creeps and they're probably serial killers! But I won't change my personality or life because some person I don't know and will never have any meaningful relationship with has the wrong idea. I can't imagine what a circus it would be to try and please everyone.Heres what I don't get. It's clear that certain styles of dress are associated with and linked to certain things. So when a certain style of dress fairly or unfairly is frequently associated with crime/violence/drugs/etc, why would you WANT to dress like that?
I'm white, but I don't dress like the fucking meth-heads down found in damn near any trailer park because I don't want people look at me and think I'm cooking up crystal meth in a trailer. I consciously avoid wearing shirts with the Tazmanian Devil adorned in 80's hip hop clothing, I don't walk around in shit-stained work boots, I make it a point not to smell like cat piss, I don't shave the sides of my head while leaving slightly more hair on top, I don't put 'bad ass' decals of of Tweety Bird and Tinker Belle on my car, etc. I actively avoid those things, as they're associated with a negative stereotype.
And sure, anyone saying things like simply wearing a hoodie makes you look like a thug is obviously a fucking moron. One article of clothing does not a style make and all that.
But when you have a large swath of people saying, "I find dress and attitude more intimidating than anything", why would you write that off so casually? There's obviously something to that line of thinking and seems it would be far more productive to have an honest discussion about that, rather than metaphorically saying, "Well YOU tell ME what I'm allowed to wear, dad!" If the simple act discarding a style of dress is all it takes to remove one of the biggest or last racist or prejudiced stereotypes in a lot of people... why not do it?
I'm going to sound like a completely ignorant racist here, but what's up with the pants below the ass thing? Like, I understand the baggy pants thing. What I don't get is the baggy, baggy, baggy pants where the pants are at like thigh level. Is that comfortable? Is even asking this racist?
Because it doesn't solve anything. If black people stopped wearing that, then whatever black people started wearing next would become the "one last racist/prejudiced stereotype", and why don't you just stop wearing that thing because it makes people uncomfortable, etc.
This is not new. Just change what you like to wear and wear what we wear and we'll like you. That same argument is made generation after generation. You can even go back to the Zoot Suit controversy of the 1940's.
I don't know you, I don't want to judge you. Can you though, seriously, not see how CRAZY that is to ask of us? Free beings? Just like you?
Hey, I respect your decision. I have white friends that pull the same look. Truth be told, thats my look. I understand that you don't want to offend and that it is NOT your intention to come off that way. You know what though? At some point, I have to live...WE have to live.It doesn't mean you have to, but it means you would be wise to. I'm a white guy who shaves his head. I also love to wear tank tops, affectionately known as "wife beaters". I used to wear them everywhere, and a lot of people were scared of me or assumed things about me. I'm wiser about it now and don't wear those things, though I still shave my head. I still scare people, but mostly because of my mannerisms, and I accept that. I certainly don't blame "society". I do what I do knowingly, and that means accepting the consequences.
Proper attire is not a "black thing", it's something everyone deals with. I have go to out of my way to not look like some kind of Neo-Nazi thanks to some idiots that messed up my preferred dress style. But I deal with it.
I dig you on the innocence of children. I didn't even think to divide people by skin color until I was in kindergarten. I was raised in Arizona, which still has a lot of racism, and some kids in my class were calling some classmates of mine "niggers". In my innocence as a child, I even went home and referred to those classmates as "niggers", but not with any kind of hatred or maliciousness - I just thought it was another way of referring to them, like a nickname. It wasn't until our teacher had to have a talk with our class about the word that it even occurred to me that someone might judge a person by the color of his or her skin. It's just a fundamentally stupid notion to me.Hey, I respect your decision. I have white friends that pull the same look. Truth be told, thats my look. I understand that you don't want to offend and that it is NOT your intention to come off that way. You know what though? At some point, I have to live...WE have to live.
Look, I'm not trying to come off as some saint. I lived a nice chunk of my life (the young and dumb parts) stereotyping. Be it race, sexual orientation, religion...usual suspects. I had to teach myself to embrace the differences. It wasn't easy, believe me. Truth is, I find myself checking myself more and more as my kids get older.
They are color blind. They love everyone. They help the neighbors, black, white or Latin. Hold doors open. Say please and thank you. The important things. Dress to not intimidate? Nah man. I'm not teaching that, they dress fine. Trust me, they don't dress like me anyway lol, i'm a relic to them.
If people feel the need to judge, so be it. Those people tend to hide amongst themselves anyway. It saddens me for sure, but I just don't understand why I need to be uncomfortable so THEY CAN BE. Seriously? I've had to swallow a ton of bitter pills in this life...ain't swallowing that one!
Because despite how educated you may or may not be, you completely lack the experience that you continually name as being key to understanding this issue. I would never say "Hey, transsexuals, don't you hate when people question your gender, amirite?!" It's incredibly tacky.
Sure, pink = gay to me when I was young. I grew up. That's all i'm saying. I understand that things can get burned into your brain, it happens. It also doesn't make it right. I get it. If I dress a certain way then guess what? Ok, its still wrong.Again though if you're going to dress in a way that comes with preconceived notions, guess what? People are going to conceive you that way! If you dress like a farmer, a lot of people are going to assume you're a farmer. If you dress like a gangsta, a lot of people are going to assume you're a gangsta.
It's about saying, "This is (unfairly) associated with 'things' that do not represent me as a person, therefore I will not engage in those 'things'."
Hell, it really isn't even a question of race at that point. It's really a question of why you would associate yourself with ANYTHING positive or negative if it doesn't represent who you are as a person.
Can you honestly say you've never been in a store, saw something that you thought was kind of cool but then said, "Yeah, its cool, but if I wear that, people are going to think I'm a _______!"
I don't know, it seemed kinda off to me too. I personally would never ask a question like that because I can't know if they might find me asking offensive, and don't have the insight to know what it feels like to be called that. I'd rather not be the one to bring such negative words into the conversation, to be honest. Its not my place to do so.
It helps if you build up rep as someone who isn't a racist and they know you're asking from a state of genuine curiosity.
I'm going to sound like a completely ignorant racist here, but what's up with the pants below the ass thing? Like, I understand the baggy pants thing. What I don't get is the baggy, baggy, baggy pants where the pants are at like thigh level. Is that comfortable? Is even asking this racist?
Anyone here ever seen the Black. White. reality tv series?
where a black family plays white and a white family plays black?
It was really interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBr1t6hHG6c&feature=relmfu
Black guy gets job while in white makeup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnkJsw3mLrw&feature=channel
I dig you on the innocence of children. I didn't even think to divide people by skin color until I was in kindergarten. I was raised in Arizona, which still has a lot of racism, and some kids in my class were calling some classmates of mine "niggers". In my innocence as a child, I even went home and referred to those classmates as "niggers", but not with any kind of hatred or maliciousness - I just thought it was another way of referring to them, like a nickname. It wasn't until our teacher had to have a talk with our class about the word that it even occurred to me that someone might judge a person by the color of his or her skin. It's just a fundamentally stupid notion to me.
On the point of dress, I would never said anyone needed to or should do anything, only that, if one wants certain things, there is a wise course of action and an unwise one. I'll be applying for jobs as a professor in a few months, and you can bet your butt I won't be wearing anything but a suit and tie to interviews. I haven't decided what I'll wear to classrooms, but it definitely won't be a tanktop! At my old job, I chose not to shave my beard and mustache, because I think facial hair is a part of manliness - I don't follow the modern notion of trying to keep a pre-pubescent face. My boss didn't take kindly to it, but he let it go. In a sense, you just have to pick your battles, and I'm just not interested in picking the whole world as my battleground with regard to my dress wear. It's not a fight I'm interested in having. I have bigger fish to fry.
I follow you. Moving to Chicago in this last year, I've actually had my first major, sustained dose of being the racial minority (I've always been a minority in some other, non-obvious ways). I went to a MvC3 tournament up in north Chicago and, aside from my wife, was the only white person there. I didn't really find it uncomfortable until, while everyone but me was screaming with hype, one of the guys said "Hey ya'll calm down, you're scaring the white people". Not the nicest thing to say.I'm with you on the suit and tie thing man, don't get me wrong. A jobs a job. I'm mainly talking about ME time, you know, my thing when I have the freedom to do what I please. For myself at least, my way of dress saved me from nothing.
At white weddings? A black guy? What's he doing here? Latino wedding: ¿Quien trajo el mono? or Who brought the monkey? Left my favorite aunts funeral and asked someone for the time..."I've got the time, but I ain't got no money." All while wearing a suit or tux lol. I wish Gamestop was open...
I'm just personally done with having to not intimidate. Its going to happen regardless. Been black with a beard and 6'4 since 13 years of age. Kind of a hard sell, no? I understand you though and also respect your opinion, we just obviously do a couple things different...cept rocking the bald/beard look. Props
Go into northern Idaho and go into a store as a non-white person. I was actually laughing out loud at how bad it got. Actually the ladies at the deli were nice, probably because I'm sexy as hell. But yeah, If people want to stare at me or follow me in a store I just stare or literally follow them back.
A black Nebraska resident during that span was 18 times more likely to be a victim of homicide than a white resident. That black-white disparity is much wider in Nebraska than the nation, where blacks are about seven times more likely to be a homicide victim.
The toll goes beyond the victims and the people who loved them. There were children in north Omaha during the recent eruption of violence who saw people they knew gunned down in front of them.
-When buying something from the store always get it in a bag.
I often feel like this is just as much about mannerisms and dress as it is about race. When I'm walking down the street, guess which one of these makes me the most nervous?
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I'm not saying that racism is non-existent in this country, but people ought to look at how they dress and act. When five black guys dressed like the dude in my second picture are coming my way, I get a little nervous, but not because they are black. How people dress and act are indicative of the kinds of behavior they'll engage in.
For anyone curious, I'm a white guy living in south Chicago. It's a dangerous place to live. The Subway 2 blocks from me has boarded windows because someone shot through them and the owner can't afford to replace the glass, and every window has bars on it that make you feel like you're living in a prison.
Race has a bit to do with it, but the way people dress definitely has a bigger impact on perceptions. Your pictures are good examples of that.
Having a large dick is a burden us black men share.
Sigh. :-(
Wow, I am certainly glad I live in UK. Everyone is treated the same. Yes, there are some tensions here and there, but being followed in a shop...
And they say America is freedom!
Black GAF what conversation should I be having with my son? Should I tell him to expect certain people to treat him differently since he's mixed? I'm white so I'm not really inclined to tell him anything except how you'd tell any kid/teenager to conduct themselves in public.
This is a serious question. I never thought about this shit before until I read this thread. Now I'm a bit concerned.
Yes, although it often tends to be black on black, but I'm saying that as a non-Londoner.Apparently London is quite bad with gang culture.
Race has a bit to do with it, but the way people dress definitely has a bigger impact on perceptions. Your pictures are good examples of that.
I think it all depends where you live. Since I live in Maryland, this whole place is a melting pot where I see everyone, and white kids especially listening to rap music(which I hate), wearing fitted caps, etc
Wow, I am certainly glad I live in UK. Everyone is treated the same. Yes, there are some tensions here and there, but being followed in a shop...
And they say America is freedom!
When you live 20 minutes across the border for 27 years it's an unfortunate inevitability.Why would you ever go anywhere in Idaho?
You need to sit him down and tell him he pretty has to put his best foot forward at all times. That people will expect the worst and pre-judge solely based on the color of his skin and that when he does mess, he'll have few people in his corner. Depending on where you live/send him to school and the kinda hobbies he gravitates towards, tell him to get used to being the odd man out as well. As a black guy who had a sea of white friends in my later high school years, I had to always remind them that certain shit would not fly with me because if things went south, I was the one who would probably suffer the most from it.
One recent example is my mothers cat ran away, and at an ungodly hour (past 12am), I had to go out looking for it. Living in an almost all white neighborhood, I was painfully aware of how things might look if I was caught in someones yard, trying to look for my cat.
The UK definitely isn't perfect, especially outside of London and other big cities.