Squall ASF
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I don't know what you expected when BR is rated R and Hunger Games is rated PG 13. Unless I'm reading you wrong and your primary problem with the movie wasn't the lack of properly filmed, brutal violence.
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I don't know what you expected when BR is rated R and Hunger Games is rated PG 13. Unless I'm reading you wrong and your primary problem with the movie wasn't the lack of properly filmed, brutal violence.
Perspicacity
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The cornucopia had very limited supplies, I think you're lucky if you can get a weapon at all.
Hunting and owning weapons is basically illegal everywhere, so really Katniss is the only one who could have reasonably gone in with any archery skills.
SHOCKING NEWS FOR YOU: Battle Royale was also based on a book!!!
BR is a fantastic book, you should read it.
Zoe
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They wouldn't have trained with weapons in their super fancy battle school?
Mr_PinkFloyd
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Yeah, its not that, i just didnt find it fun at all, its not the lack of brutal violence, the first part of the movie was all right for me for the most part
Yeah, didnt explain myself well there, i do know about the BR book (but i have to say that i never read it), but didnt know about those hunger game book series
I came into this movie not knowing the books even existed and I really liked it and the cast especially Jennifer Lawrence does a great job portraying Katniss.
It´s not Battle Royale and the shaky cam really does get on my nerves at times.
But all in all a good movie I should probably check out the books.
It´s not Battle Royale and the shaky cam really does get on my nerves at times.
But all in all a good movie I should probably check out the books.
Pachterballs
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you walked into it thinking it was a western Battle Royale.
that's all that really needs to be said.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, even when you're forced into PG13, there are creative ways to do deaths that are far more unnerving and effective than shaking the camera around.
Squall ASF
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Like what? Cutting away would be even worse. Maybe it's the end of work day fatigue but I'm drawing a blank on what else you'd do for a PG 13 movie centered around children murdering one another. As annoying as the shaking can be, it still conveys the chaos of the scene.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I don't know. Start a fire and let the violent actions of their shadows show what is going on. I just think of films like War of the Worlds which was PG13 and know there are some absoltuely haunting scenes in that. Like when you see the a man drop down behind a car - obscuring his head, and then the alien pincer snakes down and jabs where his head was - forcing the rest of his visible body to convulse - arching backward, while the tube extracts blood.
That is an example of being creative with your rating.
Nappuccino
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Show the face/expression of the one who did the killing. Then show the lifeless (bloodless) body to make the ramifications clear.
PhoncipleBone
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The first three were bearable with Rifftrax, but Breaking Dawn was almost torture even with them. Yeah, those poor guys having to record that.
Squall ASF
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I know what you're saying but that scene in the middle of an open field, you really couldn't pull a trick like those examples. The shaking adds to the feeling of panic and chaos while still providing a vision of what's going on. I just think they went overboard on how violently they made it shook. It needs to be seriously toned down.
This would work for a kill or so but it would be extremely lame to do it over and over for every kill. I guess if they edited it just right it would work though. Show the attack, cut to face right before impact so it still feels like a fluid motion and then show the corpse. That could work.
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I'm in the theater right now, munching on Angry Birds fruit snacks, sitting in a D-BOX seat, browsing GAF on my iPhone, not giving a fuck.
Show starts at seven. This better not suck.
Show starts at seven. This better not suck.
Sure. Here's a few things that don't make sense as presented in the movie...I could think of more, but I don't want to exert myself any more than the writers did while adapting it:
- How do they conjure rabid bulldog/monster hybrids out of thin air? This isn't some Matrix-like program. They are literally creating living organisms out of nothing. 3D Rendering turns into a living, breathing animal that...I don't know. It doesn't really address where they go after eating Kato. They just mosy away...perhaps they were deleted?
- What is at stake if both of them were to kill themselves? If it was such a big deal to elicit the Game Master to step in moments before they partook of the sweet sugary death, then there must be something at stake. But the movie forgoes any information about this.
- If there is technology to create a Truman Show battleground for 24 unlucky participants, why do we still have poor people who are physically mining caves? Can't they just magically conjure bulldog/monster hybrids to do that work? It's like the people from the CAPITOL are just being pricks for no reason.
And some things that are just stupid and cringeworthy:
- Brunette girl from The Orphan has you pinned down and instead of killing you the way she and her kind do up until this point, she gives you a James Bond villain-esque speech which leads to the big dude from 11 to come in and save her. But of course, lets her live because he magically knows that she tried to save his companion. Wait...what?
- Woody Harrelson, a drunkard, randomly happens to meet up with the Game Maker (aka Christof from The Truman Show) and tells him that instead of having them killed, like has happened the previous 73 years, why not let a love story play out? As if the idea isn't stupid enough, HE ACTUALLY DOES IT! I learned shortly after that the book doesn't actually do that, but how would I know that?
- A tiny 80-lb girl gets hit in the chest with a rather large spear. At the same time, a boy of roughly twice her size gets hit in the chest with an arrow. One of these characters dies immediately, the other lives long enough to give a heartwarming speech, allows the music to swell to nauseating heights, and then dies a heroes death.
It was the 80-lb girl, btw.
- Am I really to believe that a baker's son can use dirt and leaves to create a perfect camouflage with a rock face? It was like he was one of the cursed pirates from Pirates 2.
- The effects throughout the entire movie are SyFy-level bad. It's insane to think this film had a $78m budget but the compositing looked on par with ABC's 'V'.
And such...
I usually despise shakycam. I can't even watch the Bourne sequels.
...But I didn't really have a problem with it in this movie. I guess I didn't really see it as an action movie, so I didn't care if it had very good action. It's not like it was so shaky I couldn't understand what happened.
...But I didn't really have a problem with it in this movie. I guess I didn't really see it as an action movie, so I didn't care if it had very good action. It's not like it was so shaky I couldn't understand what happened.
Hate to give Christopher Nolan props, but he did it perfectly in The Dark Knight. Implied violence >>>>>> shakey cam to hide it.
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I agree with all of this and I know I had several more questions when I left the theater last week that I don't think were explained. The face-makeup scene is when I was pretty much done with the film. However, regarding your first point, I think the game master stepped in to stop the deaths because having two winners is better than having no winners. It goes back to when there was that speech on "hope blah blah blah, you always need a little hope, so somebody lives". Kind of cheesy, but that's what I assumed.
My fiance loved this movie (she listened to part of the first audiobook), as did her sister and brother-in-law who had not read the books. I thought it was a solid 2 out of 4 stars and am not really interested in the seeing the sequels. Movie was too long a bit boring to boot on top of all the issues I had. The world made NO sense at all for a laundry list of reasons not even mentioned by oatmeal. Once I started bitching about a number of these things, my fiance began to explain how the book handled it, which worked. The writers really did a shit job of adapting it in my opinion
It's sci-fi. I just assumed they were hard light holograms or something.
It would have bean a pretty damn powerful statement against the games. On live TV throughout the country, or world, or however far this goes, they would be saying, "Fuck you and fuck your games, we'd rather die than play by your rules and be forced to kill each other."
They have an annual event where they force 24 kids to kill each other for something that happened 70+ years ago. I don't think "being pricks for no reason" is really out of the realm of reason.
Yeah, movie antagonists sometimes throw down a monologue instead of killing the protagonist. It's movie world. It happens.
And the big dude didn't just magically know. He knew because he heard the other girl's monologue.
The game master dude was going to kill Katniss because she made a bit of a statement against the games in showing compassion for the girl who died. Woody Harrelson convinces him not to, because he can use her for ratings. He then suggests that using the young love angle will give even better ratings. It's a TV show, the game master likes ratings. Therefore, he takes a chance for the ratings.
Again. Movie world. Bad guys die instantly, good guys stay alive just long enough to have a dramatic death. It can be silly, but you really can't call it out as a flaw specifically in this one movie without calling it out in hundreds more.
But the only reason that happened was because of Haymich. I didn't think that talk in the garden happened until AFTER he had made the decision. Regardless, Woody Harrelson has no power, yet he changes a massive aspect in the game on a whim?
I agree. My wife was able to answer all of my concerns with the books, but if I didn't have a wife who had read them, how would I know this? This isn't a companion piece to the book, it's a film...it's for an entirely new audience.
Here's some more thoughts I just had:
- Katniss sleeps for 2 days, yet when she was closing in on the edge because it wasn't entertaining, they create a hell storm of fireballs to get her back to the main characters. This happens a lot, actually. When it drives the plot forward, it's okay to put the characters in insane danger (if she doesn't duck, that's one less contestant that the viewers get to watch die), when it is for character development (like the five minutes we devote to Rue, or her relationship with Peeta) they just let it play out slowly.
- Was Katniss the only one with a mentor? If it's so dangerous to sprint into the Cornicopia, why is it that almost everyone went in there? Especially the smallest children who, like Rue, would probably fare pretty well hiding for a bit and letting some of the people get killed off? Were they taught nothing?
- Why were their cannon sounds only when it didn't matter? When Katniss kills the blonde with the bees, no cannon. When Rue dies? No cannon. The little dude watching over the land mines? No cannon. And the dude that Katniss killed with the arrows. Nothing. There might have been more but it was a pretty important thing to not continue. I think knowing how many are in the game is pretty important information.
- Why did Haymich tell her that so and so die from infection, so and so die from disease, so and so die from starvation, etc when it turns out everyone just died from killing each other? Why drop that little bit of 'fact' when none of it is true?
- If you put three fingers in the air, black people will riot. No one else rioted. But the black people do. Cool.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
The mutts came up from the ground the same way the contestants did. Underground staging, pod's in tubes leading to surface of the arena. The Gamemasters were just leading Katiness and Peeta,toying them to confront Cato at the Cornecopa, so they were strategically releasing mutts to push them in that direction.
Few things in the games are accidents.
The arena's are built far in advance for the games - they are not simple forest areas. There is tons of tech, including a dome that doesn't let you pass, and thousands of cameras everywhere.
Though in the movie, yea, it wasn't stated - just implied.
Few things in the games are accidents.
The arena's are built far in advance for the games - they are not simple forest areas. There is tons of tech, including a dome that doesn't let you pass, and thousands of cameras everywhere.
Though in the movie, yea, it wasn't stated - just implied.
I didn't know that holograms can eat people.
Okay, I guess...but since this was incredibly lucky to have 'star-crossed lovers', I don't think it's something that would ever happen again. It's not like people would all of a sudden start going into the games looking for love. This was just an incredible fluke.
That's not really an answer. That's just 'well they're bad people that do bad things'...
He didn't hear it, there's no way he heard that. She was talking down to her face in a giant field. Unless he was a few feet away, he doesn't hear that.
And I know they do that in movies, but it's just a deus ex machina...giving the big dude just enough time to jump in and kill her.
Was that the reason? I honestly can't remember...I vaguely remember him wanting to stop the Game Master from making a decision. Was it really because she was compassionate to another player? We had four evil henchmen running around together killing people...why not try and break that up?
But we're talking about this film. Just because it's used a lot, doesn't make it good.
Are we to assume that there are tubes literally everywhere? And was the Game Maker looking at the rendering because it was something he knew about? He seemed impressed at how it was rendered for him.
I never thought it was implied that they were real, but just a hologram inserted into the game. In fact, after I talked to my wife, she said that in the books they had the faces of the fallen on them...so...clearly they're not real.
Has nothing to do with where they came from...what if they killed Katniss, Peeta and Kato? What's the fail safe? If they're holograms that they can beam in, fine...but they weren't because they killed Kato so they're obviously real. But what happens if all three fall off of the Cornicopia? Isn't these people killing each other enough? Just the whole idea behind them is pretty dumb.
Yeah I get that they want a winner. Why was there an uprising when Rue died? Two people die from District 11 every year. Why this particular year is it so horrible? This is the 74th year, it's not new.
The games pretend that their is honor in winning, by letting you live a nicer life (though your kids are still subject to the drawing)...but it's all just bullshit for the District. Since we didn't get to see what happens when you win (other than growing your hair out and drinking all the time)...it's hard to see why it's so important to win.
I don't buy that 'they will all revolt'...I think KevinCow had a better answer saying that it was showing up the game.
I hate bringing other films into this because that's not what we're talking about. This handled it poorer than they did.
Keeping Katniss' people busy and exhausted working in dangerous mines all day keeps them less likely to rebel (too tired and hungry to organize, and all.) Automating that process would lead to a less worn-down population, and probably require finding new jobs just to keep everyone occupied. This would require educating the population more, and probably eventually encourage another revolution. Dumping a ton of money and tech into your annual "we own your asses" propaganda tool makes sense; dumping that same money and tech into making your serfs more able to rebel doesn't.
I'm sure different mentors teach different things. Plus, even after Haymitch tells her that, she does it anyway. I'm sure that was the case for some of the other kids.
The cannon doesn't always fire immediately when someone dies. On the first day, we don't get the cannon shots for all the kids who died in the cornucopia until the end of the day. It's not unreasonable to assume it just happened off-screen.
But we did see that nature itself was as much of an opponent as the other contestants. One girl was killed by bees, another was killed by eating poison berries, and both Katniss and Peeta almost died from infection.
What? What the hell are you talking about? It had nothing to do with the star-crossed lovers thing, that's just how Haymitch told them to play it off to ease the backlash.
We see at the beginning, when Katniss is talking to her boyfriend back at home, that they would love a way to make a statement against the games and stop them, like if everyone just didn't watch for a year. Later, Peeta says something along the lines of, "I just wish that there was some way, even if I was going to die, that I could die on my own terms and show them how stupid their game is."
It's like, I don't know, the Olympics. If someone won, then they stood up on the pedestal with their gold medal, and they threw it on the ground, spit on it, and walked away. That would be a pretty fucking huge statement.
Because that's not remotely the same thing at all. They weren't showing compassion for each other, they were temporarily teaming up because their chances were better that way.
Katniss showed compassion and demonstrated how ridiculous and stupid and pointless the killing is. She did it as a statement against the games.
According to the book they did, and only a moment after the slaughter at the beginning we hear the cannon sound out. And then sometimes we see the names on the skyscreen, sometimes not. It's important information to know what you're fighting against.
The bees killed the girl because Kitness dropped them onto them. I'll concede the berries. Still didn't fall into the stats as presented.
If in the Olympics, two of the contestants fell in love and walked off the podium sure... The only reason they were willing to die for each other is because the dude was duped into thinking she loved him, and she was making a 'statement'. My point was, that's not typical of the games to have two friends go in and survive until the end. The games are about killing each other, and as far as I know, this had never happened so it doesn't seem like they'd break the games.
Since it IS just TV for entertainment, I would think that a twist ending might be appreciated.
She killed a guy right as she was being killed, so she's not above killing to survive. Had she just not faught, like Peeta said he would, that would be showing that the killing is pointless. But she had already killed a girl with bees, and then killed that guy. She was already apart of the games.
That team had a bond going, who's to say that they don't team up at the end and say 'fuck the game'? Just because they had swagger, doesn't mean they don't have compassion.
If they cared about 'exciting' games, they wouldn't let Peeta hide in rocks for so long. They wouldn't let a group of 5 sit under a tree for a day waiting for her to come down.
"Maybe it's bad luck"? With a game that can control so much, that type of 'bad luck' seems like it should definitely not happen. That would undermine the game, too.
I agree that it's not easy to lose a child (unless you're Kitness' mother), but I thought the point of the games was to control these districts? So their method of control doesn't seem to work when everything is destroyed right away.
But we're never really told. I understand wanting the people from your district to win, they're either family or friends or at least acquaintances. But other than survival what do you win? I mean, that's enough to root for someone to win...but what I was originally asking before is why is showing up the game such a big deal?
How would that lead to revolts like you had said? Not sure how this spun off onto this tangent.
I don't feel that I'm nitpicking when it's important information for the story. Some of them are, but they were in their own little subsection of just 'cringeworthy moments'.
Since now we're just going to be arguing semantics, I don't see the point in going back and forth...so I'll just say...
I think THG has a really cool story, and when I am judging certain things, I'm only judging the way it was handled in the film, not the book. What I saw in the theater was not a clear look at the story told in the books, and was altogether sloppy and didn't work for me.
It's clear that it was rushed to get out before a new book series took its place, I mean it was shot and edited in less than a year, and it shows. Maybe they'll put some time into the next one to insure that it gets the proper treatment the story deserves.
I think THG has a really cool story, and when I am judging certain things, I'm only judging the way it was handled in the film, not the book. What I saw in the theater was not a clear look at the story told in the books, and was altogether sloppy and didn't work for me.
It's clear that it was rushed to get out before a new book series took its place, I mean it was shot and edited in less than a year, and it shows. Maybe they'll put some time into the next one to insure that it gets the proper treatment the story deserves.
Squall ASF
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Sure. Here's a few things that don't make sense as presented in the movie...I could think of more, but I don't want to exert myself any more than the writers did while adapting it:
- How do they conjure rabid bulldog/monster hybrids out of thin air? This isn't some Matrix-like program. They are literally creating living organisms out of nothing. 3D Rendering turns into a living, breathing animal that...I don't know. It doesn't really address where they go after eating Kato. They just mosy away...perhaps they were deleted?
Thanks for answering my question, sorry it took so long to respond but I got out of work and went to the gym. Again, I haven't read the books so there may be specific reasons for some of these things that will be explained in detail in the next one but I'll put what I interpreted for each of these.
You can tell by the technology and the amount of control they have over the arena that this is clearly a futuristic world. Going into a little more detail about their technology is the one thing I said would have been nice in my quick review of the movie, specifically how they create the creatures but it's not a big issue as it's obviously futuristic technology. I interpreted it as they chose which creature they wanted to throw into the arena by using that hologram, hence why they deliberated about it and then they deployed it into the arena as they already have control over everything in there as indicated by the scene with fire and controlling where the sponsor packs land, etc. If they can create the creatures, they can rid of them too. Again, it's a futuristic environment and the government has complete control of this arena so the semantics don't bother me, it's perfectly plausible for them to create and remove these creatures.
- What is at stake if both of them were to kill themselves? If it was such a big deal to elicit the Game Master to step in moments before they partook of the sweet sugary death, then there must be something at stake. But the movie forgoes any information about this.
I thought that was pretty obvious thanks to all the scenes with the president and the old game creator guy. The older guy was clearly threatened by what Katniss and her underdog image represented. As things developed in the arena, this escalated more and more such as her emotions over Rue's death affecting District 11. The love relationship adds another dynamic that makes all the citizens in the district sympathetic and empathetic with the contestants. These last two developments are large problems for the government as they are incidents that can cause the districts to revolt. We already saw this happen with 11 when Rue died. The president wanted to milk the love relationship for ratings but they found themselves shackled at the end because Katniss managed to garner enough public support that the image of her and her lover killing themselves because of the game's rules would have caused an outcry. If they were killed by the other contestants, that's a tragedy and how the game works but killing themselves willingly because the creators wanted one winner (after the love relationship became popular to the citizens AND the game fanned the flames by allowing the team up earlier on) there just would have been too much backlash. This is why the older game creator guy didn't like the idea of an underdog that could garner support and also didn't like the idea of allowing a districts two members to team up. He was smart enough to keep things simple and people out of the limelight but the president didn't listen. He became to greedy at the idea of ratings.
- If there is technology to create a Truman Show battleground for 24 unlucky participants, why do we still have poor people who are physically mining caves? Can't they just magically conjure bulldog/monster hybrids to do that work? It's like the people from the CAPITOL are just being pricks for no reason.
Did you not get an impression of how the government works or looks at the citizens by the comments that older game creator made to the president? It's clear that the government likes to assert control over the districts and does not give them equal rights. After the rebellion, they really cracked down. Keeping the districts in poverty and performing hard remedial jobs keeps them in check and puts them in a poor position to start another revolt. They don't care about the citizens, they just want to control them. They are all trash as far as the higher officials are concerned.
And some things that are just stupid and cringeworthy:
- Brunette girl from The Orphan has you pinned down and instead of killing you the way she and her kind do up until this point, she gives you a James Bond villain-esque speech which leads to the big dude from 11 to come in and save her. But of course, lets her live because he magically knows that she tried to save his companion. Wait...what?
It made sense to me that she dragged out the kill. They had been chasing her the whole damn game and could never get her and she screwed them with that hornet attack. She's another competent woman and they just got into a dominance brawl and this girl is arrogant because of how they are brought up in her district as was mentioned at the dinner with Woody Harrelson. The girl also feels pretty safe because most of the other contestants are on her temporary team. All these things considered, it made sense to me why she'd give that little taunt speech to make Kitniss suffer. Obviously she didn't think of the other district 11 kid but she was in an emotional state, she just won a physical fight. As for the district 11 guy, I took it as he was near the dome and was staking out who would come before he went for the bag. That's what I would do, you don't want to risk a group of people coming out as you're grabbing your bag. He then heard the discussion between the two girls and got emotional and ran out and killed her. Notice how he was frantically looking around as he talked to Kitniss, he wanted to get the hell out before anyone else came. He obviously spared Kitniss because of the conversation he overheard. It's pretty damn plausible to me.
- Woody Harrelson, a drunkard, randomly happens to meet up with the Game Maker (aka Christof from The Truman Show) and tells him that instead of having them killed, like has happened the previous 73 years, why not let a love story play out? As if the idea isn't stupid enough, HE ACTUALLY DOES IT! I learned shortly after that the book doesn't actually do that, but how would I know that?
He's not just a drunkard, he's a previous champion and selected as a trainer or whatever for district 12. I'm guessing any of those guys to include Elizabeth Banks' character could talk to the president easily enough if they make an appointment. They are official members representing a district, after all. As to why he does it, it's to get a better public image and ratings for the game. It puts a positive spin on what's going on inside that arena. He just miscalculated and didn't listen to the older creator's advice.
- A tiny 80-lb girl gets hit in the chest with a rather large spear. At the same time, a boy of roughly twice her size gets hit in the chest with an arrow. One of these characters dies immediately, the other lives long enough to give a heartwarming speech, allows the music to swell to nauseating heights, and then dies a heroes death.
It was the 80-lb girl, btw.
I didn't pay attention to if the knife hit her in the heart, if not, she could probably survive long enough for that brief conversation. Maybe, maybe not but it's not a huge stretch. The guy may have been shot in the heart but even if not, the strength of the bow from that range would be far greater than his arm strength throwing the knife. Maybe it looked a little silly to you but it's not WAY out there, wasn't enough to take me out of the scene. You don't think you're over analyzing this? The movie has sci-fi and other fantastical elements to it, it's not a super realistic war film
- Am I really to believe that a baker's son can use dirt and leaves to create a perfect camouflage with a rock face? It was like he was one of the cursed pirates from Pirates 2.
This I won't defend, it was pretty silly but hardly ruins the entire film
- The effects throughout the entire movie are SyFy-level bad. It's insane to think this film had a $78m budget but the compositing looked on par with ABC's 'V'.
*shrug* Didn't bother me much. There was no particular scene that I thought looked like complete shit. In any case these last points have nothing to do with what I asked so I guess I didn't need to address them. I just wanted to know what you found confusing. It all made sense to me.
And such...
- How do they conjure rabid bulldog/monster hybrids out of thin air? This isn't some Matrix-like program. They are literally creating living organisms out of nothing. 3D Rendering turns into a living, breathing animal that...I don't know. It doesn't really address where they go after eating Kato. They just mosy away...perhaps they were deleted?
Thanks for answering my question, sorry it took so long to respond but I got out of work and went to the gym. Again, I haven't read the books so there may be specific reasons for some of these things that will be explained in detail in the next one but I'll put what I interpreted for each of these.
You can tell by the technology and the amount of control they have over the arena that this is clearly a futuristic world. Going into a little more detail about their technology is the one thing I said would have been nice in my quick review of the movie, specifically how they create the creatures but it's not a big issue as it's obviously futuristic technology. I interpreted it as they chose which creature they wanted to throw into the arena by using that hologram, hence why they deliberated about it and then they deployed it into the arena as they already have control over everything in there as indicated by the scene with fire and controlling where the sponsor packs land, etc. If they can create the creatures, they can rid of them too. Again, it's a futuristic environment and the government has complete control of this arena so the semantics don't bother me, it's perfectly plausible for them to create and remove these creatures.
- What is at stake if both of them were to kill themselves? If it was such a big deal to elicit the Game Master to step in moments before they partook of the sweet sugary death, then there must be something at stake. But the movie forgoes any information about this.
I thought that was pretty obvious thanks to all the scenes with the president and the old game creator guy. The older guy was clearly threatened by what Katniss and her underdog image represented. As things developed in the arena, this escalated more and more such as her emotions over Rue's death affecting District 11. The love relationship adds another dynamic that makes all the citizens in the district sympathetic and empathetic with the contestants. These last two developments are large problems for the government as they are incidents that can cause the districts to revolt. We already saw this happen with 11 when Rue died. The president wanted to milk the love relationship for ratings but they found themselves shackled at the end because Katniss managed to garner enough public support that the image of her and her lover killing themselves because of the game's rules would have caused an outcry. If they were killed by the other contestants, that's a tragedy and how the game works but killing themselves willingly because the creators wanted one winner (after the love relationship became popular to the citizens AND the game fanned the flames by allowing the team up earlier on) there just would have been too much backlash. This is why the older game creator guy didn't like the idea of an underdog that could garner support and also didn't like the idea of allowing a districts two members to team up. He was smart enough to keep things simple and people out of the limelight but the president didn't listen. He became to greedy at the idea of ratings.
- If there is technology to create a Truman Show battleground for 24 unlucky participants, why do we still have poor people who are physically mining caves? Can't they just magically conjure bulldog/monster hybrids to do that work? It's like the people from the CAPITOL are just being pricks for no reason.
Did you not get an impression of how the government works or looks at the citizens by the comments that older game creator made to the president? It's clear that the government likes to assert control over the districts and does not give them equal rights. After the rebellion, they really cracked down. Keeping the districts in poverty and performing hard remedial jobs keeps them in check and puts them in a poor position to start another revolt. They don't care about the citizens, they just want to control them. They are all trash as far as the higher officials are concerned.
And some things that are just stupid and cringeworthy:
- Brunette girl from The Orphan has you pinned down and instead of killing you the way she and her kind do up until this point, she gives you a James Bond villain-esque speech which leads to the big dude from 11 to come in and save her. But of course, lets her live because he magically knows that she tried to save his companion. Wait...what?
It made sense to me that she dragged out the kill. They had been chasing her the whole damn game and could never get her and she screwed them with that hornet attack. She's another competent woman and they just got into a dominance brawl and this girl is arrogant because of how they are brought up in her district as was mentioned at the dinner with Woody Harrelson. The girl also feels pretty safe because most of the other contestants are on her temporary team. All these things considered, it made sense to me why she'd give that little taunt speech to make Kitniss suffer. Obviously she didn't think of the other district 11 kid but she was in an emotional state, she just won a physical fight. As for the district 11 guy, I took it as he was near the dome and was staking out who would come before he went for the bag. That's what I would do, you don't want to risk a group of people coming out as you're grabbing your bag. He then heard the discussion between the two girls and got emotional and ran out and killed her. Notice how he was frantically looking around as he talked to Kitniss, he wanted to get the hell out before anyone else came. He obviously spared Kitniss because of the conversation he overheard. It's pretty damn plausible to me.
- Woody Harrelson, a drunkard, randomly happens to meet up with the Game Maker (aka Christof from The Truman Show) and tells him that instead of having them killed, like has happened the previous 73 years, why not let a love story play out? As if the idea isn't stupid enough, HE ACTUALLY DOES IT! I learned shortly after that the book doesn't actually do that, but how would I know that?
He's not just a drunkard, he's a previous champion and selected as a trainer or whatever for district 12. I'm guessing any of those guys to include Elizabeth Banks' character could talk to the president easily enough if they make an appointment. They are official members representing a district, after all. As to why he does it, it's to get a better public image and ratings for the game. It puts a positive spin on what's going on inside that arena. He just miscalculated and didn't listen to the older creator's advice.
- A tiny 80-lb girl gets hit in the chest with a rather large spear. At the same time, a boy of roughly twice her size gets hit in the chest with an arrow. One of these characters dies immediately, the other lives long enough to give a heartwarming speech, allows the music to swell to nauseating heights, and then dies a heroes death.
It was the 80-lb girl, btw.
I didn't pay attention to if the knife hit her in the heart, if not, she could probably survive long enough for that brief conversation. Maybe, maybe not but it's not a huge stretch. The guy may have been shot in the heart but even if not, the strength of the bow from that range would be far greater than his arm strength throwing the knife. Maybe it looked a little silly to you but it's not WAY out there, wasn't enough to take me out of the scene. You don't think you're over analyzing this? The movie has sci-fi and other fantastical elements to it, it's not a super realistic war film
- Am I really to believe that a baker's son can use dirt and leaves to create a perfect camouflage with a rock face? It was like he was one of the cursed pirates from Pirates 2.
This I won't defend, it was pretty silly but hardly ruins the entire film
- The effects throughout the entire movie are SyFy-level bad. It's insane to think this film had a $78m budget but the compositing looked on par with ABC's 'V'.
*shrug* Didn't bother me much. There was no particular scene that I thought looked like complete shit. In any case these last points have nothing to do with what I asked so I guess I didn't need to address them. I just wanted to know what you found confusing. It all made sense to me.
And such...
late reply i know, but i just read the hunger games, and it mentions katniss having to stand on tiptoe to kiss him on the cheek...well the actor Peeta is much shorter than the actor katniss, and even in the movie she's taller i think
twinturbo2
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It was awesome. Haters gonna hate.
Lord_Byron28
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Just watched it. It was fairly good but overhyped. I would've prefered a little more focus on the actual Hunger Games and tight situations instead of the Pita romance stuff. However, it was still good.
Only thing I really disliked was how much Katniss was hand held. I felt like she got way too much help and that it was a bit unfair and was mainly luck compared to any actual skill. I think physically she was skilled but she didn't seem to use her brain often.
Only thing I really disliked was how much Katniss was hand held. I felt like she got way too much help and that it was a bit unfair and was mainly luck compared to any actual skill. I think physically she was skilled but she didn't seem to use her brain often.
Kuro Madoushi
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Terrible. Even the theater workers who were waiting outside for us to leave quoted a line from the movie while laughing!
Also laughed at the cut to the boyfriend. I know it isn't what the director wanted but it was so cheesy...I was looking for the wine.
Though I should say there was potential; however, the writing was atrocious! And the books are supposedly better?
Also laughed at the cut to the boyfriend. I know it isn't what the director wanted but it was so cheesy...I was looking for the wine.
Though I should say there was potential; however, the writing was atrocious! And the books are supposedly better?
Gamer @ Heart
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Yeah, which is extremely rare. I kind of liked that.
Crumpet Trumpet
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So...I just impulse-bought this book. Hope I can finish it before I see the movie this weekend!
twinturbo2
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Crumpet Trumpet
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This isn't the Avengers OT.TeamHemsworthSuperior
Or Snowhite & The Huntsman OT.
Or Cabin In The Woods OT.
... that man is getting around. Me gusta.
I'm not Colombian but this typo makes me rage.
twinturbo2
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Someone didn't think that out.
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