Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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Jea Song said:
I'm not trying to defend the guy but is it possible that during his street chase of the kid he triped or almost lost balance on some cones on the street? You know, those orange construction cones?

I'm just saying.
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Yeah, you are right. I did jump on the gun a bit, which wasn't very objective of me.
I fully retract my stance of Zimmerman being obviously guilty, and am now pretty much on the edge. All the suspecting little pieces of information can be turned around to support a theory of his father protecting him whilst he is still innocent.
 
AiTM said:
Does anyone here actually think Zimmerman murdered Trayvon because he was black, and he hated black people?
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This is the problem with modern mainstream racial analysis. To a lot of people, racism means using the word nigger or burning a cross on someone's front lawn. Declaring any less egregious act racism is just 'stirring the pot', 'causing trouble', or 'playing the race card'.

What you're missing AiTM, is that racial profiling is the symptom of a racist system. An individual does not necessarily have to be a dyed in the wool racist in order to be biased by such a system. Empirical data shows that the media over represents black criminality, and empirical data also shows that everyone (black, white, Latino, Asian) is affected by that representation.

If you can not distinguish between personal bigotry and institutional racism, then yes, you will always be confused when, during discussions about the drug war, racial profiling, the education system, the criminal justice system, ect, people "make it about race".

AiTM said:
The reason, at least to me, that this is going nationally is because of race. It is becoming a racially charged issue that wont lead to anything positive. I think this case is being blown up racially when it should be about the person who was killed. Thats consistently why I have been posting in this thread, trying to play down the racial angle.
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Why should the racial aspect of this murder and investigation be played down? How will racial profiling be diminished if we refuse to acknowledge racism itself? How can we change stereotypes about black criminality if we don't acknowledge the racism that drives such stereotypes? How do we create a more fair and equitable criminal justice system that is unaffected by racial bias if we do not discuss instances of racial bias? How can we prevent more young men like Trayvon Martin from being killed by ignoring the racism that puts them in danger?

Who are you helping by "trying to play down the racial angle"?

AiTM said:
Im constantly played down the racial angle in all my posts, that's why I responded so much to that "the white man will never respect a black mans rights" article. I thought, and still think, its bullshit.

Whatever maybe Im one of the privileged whites, and I just don't see it. But I think its bullshit when I hear people reference some massive white system where white people collectively try to hold back black people. I just dont see things that way.
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Of course you thought it was bullshit. You misquoted and misunderstood the one quote that was central to the entire argument.
 
At first I was outraged and judged very quickly. I totally bought into the Zimmerman was a racist, had a grudge, ect ect. Just went up to the kid and shot him.

But the more you look at Trayvon and how Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose, Had grass stains on his back, and listenind to the 911 call where someone is crying for help. (which sounds more like a heavy man, than a thin 17 year old) It seems like perhaps he did act in self defense.

This still could of been avoided if Zimmerman didn't pursue the kid and did what the dispatcher told him to do. That I don't dispute.

But it appears there was a struggle. It appears there was a fight. And if Zimmerman is on the ground getting his ass kicked, then by florida law, he has a right to use lethal force in self defense.
 
Jea Song said:
At first I was outraged and judged very quickly. I totally bought into the Zimmerman was a racist, had a grudge, ect ect. Just went up to the kid and shot him.

But the more you look at Trayvon and how Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose, Had grass stains on his back, and listenind to the 911 call where someone is crying for help. (which sounds more like a heavy man, than a thin 17 year old) It seems like perhaps he did act in self defense.

This still could of been avoided if Zimmerman didn't pursue the kid and did what the dispatcher told him to do. That I don't dispute.

But it appears there was a struggle. It appears there was a fight. And if Zimmerman is on the ground getting his ass kicked, then by florida law, he has a right to use lethal force in self defense.
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I may have to give this thread a break. Fucking incredible.
 
Jea Song said:
At first I was outraged and judged very quickly. I totally bought into the Zimmerman was a racist, had a grudge, ect ect. Just went up to the kid and shot him.

But the more you look at Trayvon and how Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose, Had grass stains on his back, and listenind to the 911 call where someone is crying for help. (which sounds more like a heavy man, than a thin 17 year old) It seems like perhaps he did act in self defense.

This still could of been avoided if Zimmerman didn't pursue the kid and did what the dispatcher told him to do. That I don't dispute.

But it appears there was a struggle. It appears there was a fight. And if Zimmerman is on the ground getting his ass kicked, then by florida law, he has a right to use lethal force in self defense.
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I didn't know if you profile, stalk, and start a confrontation and end up on the losing side of it, you can then use lethal force. A lot of people would get away with murder if you could do that.


The Incarnation said:
I just laughed.


Seriously even an idiot can tell the difference between a black man voice and a white persons
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Depends on where you're from really.
 
Jea Song said:
But it appears there was a struggle. It appears there was a fight. And if Zimmerman is on the ground getting his ass kicked, then by florida law, he has a right to use lethal force in self defense.
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If you attack someone, and your victim gains the upperhand, you can not then shoot them and claim self defense.
 
Sounds like Zimmerman is saying "it's fucking cold" to me. And looking up historical weather data for the area on that date the temperature was in the low to mid 60s, which is cold for Florida (I live even further South than Sanford).

EDIT: Plus it sounds windy in the recording.
 
If he has no injuries, the police report is a fabrication. He was treated on the scene, according to the report, and allowed to be driven to the station. It also specifically mentions him bleeding from his face and head. Zimmerman also claims he went for medical treatment the next day. This will be extremely easy to confirm or dispel just by speaking to the EMTs, any witness that saw Zimmerman after the fact and the hospital he claims to have been to.
 
onemic said:
Depends on where you're from really.
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It can play a role, but I personally can tell the difference.

Same with Indians and Chinese people, regardless of being born in the same place as myself.

I have to say I thought it was common knowledge... I'm not talking about dialect here either, I'm more on about the timbre of the voice..
 
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KHarvey16 said:
If he has no injuries, the police report is a fabrication. He was treated on the scene, according to the report, and allowed to be driven to the station. It also specifically mentions him bleeding from his face and head. This will be extremely easy to confirm or dispel just by speaking to the EMTs and any witness that saw Zimmerman after the fact.
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Weren't the injuries added to the police report eventually, as in, they were not put into the initial report?
 
I wonder who leaked the surveillance video, I doubt that was supposed to get out - as that paints a VERY bad picture of the PD.
 
JCreasy said:
OOOOOH SHIT!!

Trayvon Martin Video Shows No Blood or Bruises on George Zimmerman


http://abcnews.go.com/WN/trayvon-ma...orge-zimmerman/story?id=16022897#.T3Og7mEgcuc

WTF DUDE!!??

WTH IS GOING ON??
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So is it appearing more and more likely that the police did conduct a good investigation, and that the prosecutors are the ones who tried to sweep it under the rug? Few days ago we all thought they just let Zimmerman go on the scene. Now it appears he was arrested and taken to Police HQ.

Kinitari said:
I wonder who leaked the surveillance video, I doubt that was supposed to get out - as that paints a VERY bad picture of the PD.
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If reports are true that the police wanted to charge him with Manslaughter and the prosecutors said not to, then my anger is quickly moving from the police to the DA's office.
 
DrForester said:
So is it appearing more and more likely that the police did conduct a good investigation, and that the prosecutors are the ones who tried to sweep it under the rug? Few days ago we all thought they just let Zimmerman go on the scene. Now it appears he was arrested and taken to Police HQ.
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He was brought in for questioning than released - he was cuffed, which is interesting. Anyway, this also speaks of a police cover up - how the PD can claim that he was injured with a bloody nose, bruises and a wound on the back of his head... I don't know. He is without a single visible injury.
 
cametall said:
If he broke his nose I'd expect to see him covered in blood. But in regards to bruising, a close friend of mine broke their nose a month ago and there was almost no bruising until the next day, at which point it looked like someone beat them with a bat.
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The more important thing is to look at the back of his head - nothing.

Also, interestingly enough - Zimmerman has been in hiding since the incident, not a single picture of him since. Taking a picture of his injuries is something you'd think he would do... but hiding...
 
KHarvey16 said:
But in that case, what motivation is there on the part of the police to fabricate the report?
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Maybe I missed that, I have been under the impression that only Zimmerman's lawyer has brought up the broken nose thing, and the police report merely said that there were signs of a struggle (like grass on his clothing).

I'd say the motivation would be after the fact stuff if the prosecutors were the ones wanting this thing to go away for Zimmerman.
 
No blood on his face, back of his head or his nose and no grass stains on his back. He looks like he hasn't even been touched. This guy is one big piece of shit. This just makes it more believable to me that he did actually say coons in that 911 call.
 
Kinitari said:
The more important thing is to look at the back of his head - nothing.

Also, interestingly enough - Zimmerman has been in hiding since the incident, not a single picture of him since. Taking a picture of his injuries is something you'd think he would do... but hiding...
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He claims to have gone to the hospital the next day. That will be easy to confirm or dispute. Also, take a quick look at 1:06 in the video. I'm not sure if that's just the shape of his head or the way he light is hitting it but there is something.
 
onemic said:
No blood on his face or his nose and no grass stains on his back. This guy is one big piece of shit. This just makes it more believable to me that he did actually say coons in that 911 call.
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A bloody nose still wouldn't give him just cause - what there would need to be are wounds that match his story of having his head smashed on the sidewalk repeatedly - that is what led him to fear for his life apparently. There is nothing there.

You can't shoot someone for giving you a bloody nose, but you can shoot someone for holding you down and bashing your head on the ground.

Also, he's muscular. He looks pretty fit.
 
If George Zimmerman really was injured, there's bound to be photos of it entered into evidence, which we aren't going to see until there's a trial. It's very likely he was cleaned up before being carted back to the PD if he was hurt. The video just shows he didn't have any wounds serious enough to get picked up on crappy surveillance video.

There's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many people involved, from the neighborhood witnesses after the fact to the police on the scene to the paramedics involved for this to be some kind of lie and cover-up re: injuries. More likely Zimmerman was lightly injured/cut/whatever and was treated at the scene.

re: the shot in the back stuff - I think if that had happened we'd have known about it already. The family's lawyer would have made sure of that.
 
DrForester said:
Maybe I missed that, I have been under the impression that only Zimmerman's lawyer has brought up the broken nose thing, and the police report merely said that there were signs of a struggle (like grass on his clothing).

I'd say the motivation woudl be after the fact stuff if the prosecutors were the ones wanting this thing to go away for Zimmerman.
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The report, again written at 3 that night, has the officer stating he was bleeding from his nose and head. It also states he was given first aid in the back of the police cruiser.
 
KHarvey16 said:
But in that case, what motivation is there on the part of the police to fabricate the report?
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his dad is retired judge . . .

didn't the department already come under scrutiny for dragging their feet on arresting the chief's son for beating a black homeless man?
 
"The initial police report noted that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and nose, and after medical attention it was decided that he was in good enough condition to travel in a police cruiser to the Sanford, Fla., police station for questioning. "
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He got medical attention which means he is not going to be bleeding over the place in the squad car. Hell how about pictures taken at the scene or at the police station not surveillance video that is not in HD showing everything clearly.

and he looks nothing as the fat guy pic in the media since this story broke.
 
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