Yeah. But he still isn't exactly a small dude. 180 at 5'9" is pretty solid.
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Yeah. But he still isn't exactly a small dude. 180 at 5'9" is pretty solid.
MightyHealthy
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True, but in a charged situation like this, nothing good was going to come from it...not to mention it wasn't even the Zimmerman in question.
It was dangerously stupid.
C'mon guy, nobody's trying to say that. Way to exaggerate.
Devolution
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Ugh I feel really sorry for the people who share a last name with this guy.
Dubbedinenglish
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If Zimmerman is to be believed, then yes. He is now claiming in the struggle with Treyvon on top of him, he had to shoot. If Zimmerman had time to take aim and then fire that puts his new account in question.
Baconsammy
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There's been some stupid shit in this thread (some by me, probably), but yours is right there at the top of the shit heap.
Awww you went and topped your stupidity by going even dumber. Welcome to the ignore bin.
The Incarnation
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If he had a gun and thought hey let's shoot someone.
I'm not a guy who worships fame and glory, and hold such stars to higher expectations of behaviour, so I'm not the sort to focus on the famous just to cover up by own.
With that said I'm not the one trying to justify murder.
ThisWreckage
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For me? You do not know me or where I stand on this shooting. I certainly did not justify the shooting. In fact, what you just said is completely irresponsible and slander. Wait...are you Spike Lee?
Dog
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Dog, I feel you, but I think you're taking this way too personally if you think that Spike Lee is not at fault for what he did and should be called out on it. Don't attack others for calling out what was a very stupid and moronic thing to do, in invading someones privacy. Calling out Lee's piece of shit invasion of privacy and potential harming of someone else that has nothing to do with the case does not mean that you want Zimmerman to get away with murder. I don't even know how you're equating the two.
Baconsammy
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Zimmerman - 5'9 170. Trayvon 6'0 160.
I'd take Zimmerman in a wrestling match, and Trayvon in a boxing match.
So using a gun pre-meditated is the only way to get someone killed?
The Incarnation
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Thanks.
I guess the murder of black kids is at the bottom of your shit heap. Since you're trying your hardest to rationalise it.
Trust me, saying that I'm at the opposite end of your spectrum is the greatest compliment you can give me. The likes of you agreeing with me wouldn't say much about myself after all.
The Incarnation
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For me? You do not know me or where I stand on this shooting. I certainly did not justify the shooting. In fact, what you just said is completely irresponsible and slander. Wait...are you Spike Lee?
Well it's obvious which side you are on isn't it..
empty vessel
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The irony, it only increases. The police have no authority to arrest media trying to interview people.
784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.—
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) “Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of “course of conduct.” Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) “Credible threat” means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
(d) “Cyberstalk” means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.
(2) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person, and makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury of the person, or the person’s child, sibling, spouse, parent, or dependent, commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) Any person who, after an injunction for protection against repeat violence, sexual violence, or dating violence pursuant to s. 784.046, or an injunction for protection against domestic violence pursuant to s. 741.30, or after any other court-imposed prohibition of conduct toward the subject person or that person’s property, knowingly, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(5) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks a minor under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(6) Any law enforcement officer may arrest, without a warrant, any person he or she has probable cause to believe has violated the provisions of this section.
(7) Any person who, after having been sentenced for a violation of s. 794.011, s. 800.04, or s. 847.0135(5) and prohibited from contacting the victim of the offense under s. 921.244, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks the victim commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(8) The punishment imposed under this section shall run consecutive to any former sentence imposed for a conviction for any offense under s. 794.011, s. 800.04, or s. 847.0135(5).
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional distress in such person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) “Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, evidencing a continuity of purpose. Constitutionally protected activity is not included within the meaning of “course of conduct.” Such constitutionally protected activity includes picketing or other organized protests.
(c) “Credible threat” means a threat made with the intent to cause the person who is the target of the threat to reasonably fear for his or her safety. The threat must be against the life of, or a threat to cause bodily injury to, a person.
(d) “Cyberstalk” means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.
(2) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person, and makes a credible threat with the intent to place that person in reasonable fear of death or bodily injury of the person, or the person’s child, sibling, spouse, parent, or dependent, commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) Any person who, after an injunction for protection against repeat violence, sexual violence, or dating violence pursuant to s. 784.046, or an injunction for protection against domestic violence pursuant to s. 741.30, or after any other court-imposed prohibition of conduct toward the subject person or that person’s property, knowingly, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(5) Any person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks a minor under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(6) Any law enforcement officer may arrest, without a warrant, any person he or she has probable cause to believe has violated the provisions of this section.
(7) Any person who, after having been sentenced for a violation of s. 794.011, s. 800.04, or s. 847.0135(5) and prohibited from contacting the victim of the offense under s. 921.244, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks the victim commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(8) The punishment imposed under this section shall run consecutive to any former sentence imposed for a conviction for any offense under s. 794.011, s. 800.04, or s. 847.0135(5).
Maliciousness is a legal requirement for stalking. Incidentally, unlike the media, it is quite possible Zimmerman was engaged in the crime of stalking as defined by Florida prior to the killing of Martin.
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MightyHealthy
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Chill, bro, damn.
Going with the tangent and agreeing what Spike Lee did was ignorant ≠ Not caring about Trayvon's senseless murder
late edit: also, I don't always agree with baconsammy, but I don't really see a problem with his posts. no reason to overreact.
I can only imagine what you would have said to the people that got banned in this thread...
Going with the tangent and agreeing what Spike Lee did was ignorant ≠ Not caring about Trayvon's senseless murder
late edit: also, I don't always agree with baconsammy, but I don't really see a problem with his posts. no reason to overreact.
I can only imagine what you would have said to the people that got banned in this thread...
Fantastical
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Oh sorry. Every post after this one better be "Zimmerman should burn in hell" or else we are racists or something. Or at least sympathizers of a murderer.
The Incarnation
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Yeah what Spike Lee did is dumb, it shouldn't even need to be stated.
Even you must realise these are same type of people who were trying to say Trayvon Martin was at fault for his own death, and the minute that story came out that Zimmerman had no cuts or bruises, it's all Spike Lee, Spike Lee..
Oh I'm glad some people are on top of that. Gotta make sure Zimmerman gets a fair shake right? That's a completely valid reason to be interested in this story...
Who, baconsammy? Because while I have argued a few points with him he definitely doesn't think that zimmerman was justified in killing Trayvon.
I think you're either on something or need to lay down for a bit. Nobody in here seems to be combining any of the things you mention. Multiple topics and discussions are happening in this thread.
Baconsammy
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Yeah, I'm guessing he has some kind of reading disorder. But apparently you can't be anti-Spike Lee and pro-Trayvon in his mind. Go figure.
Gordon Shumway
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Ok, since everyone hates outsiders injecting themselves into this story, let's get back on track:
New interview with Zimmerman's father
New interview with Zimmerman's father
Wait, what, here?
No, the Spike Lee thing is a related incident in what is becoming a bigger and bigger mess. Tayvon deserves justice, but you're coming at people here for even mentioning that Spike Lee pulled a dumb fucking move (which, he should probably do a little bit more than apologize for, being that he's now ruined the lives of an elderly couple who had nothing to do with this).
So, were at the point now that Zimmerman has no cuts/bruises per that video. What the new defense force stand?
The Incarnation
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Well all I'm seeing is excuses, excuses excuses.
Zimmerman sounded Hispanic on the phone when he was crying out help.. Even though it wasn't him crying out for help...
Please..
I think that the internet discourse, media coverage, unlimited speculation, lack of actual infos and so on are create more damage for racial divide than the actual murder. I doubt we will ever know what happened that night, but the scrutiny around it spawned more racial hate than anything. Maybe it was just a dude who watched Miami Vice too much and really wanted to take someone down, like a cop, no matter what color he is. Maybe it was really a hate crime; or maybe it was just one idiot losing his mind, a stupid situation getting out of control, a gun being flashed, both sides going into fight or flight mode, and someone ending up shot for a bad reason. We'll never know.
And even if we do know what has happened, maybe it turns out to be racially charged or not, I feel that the situation has reached the boiling point that is reached when racial issues arise.. No side will ever be happy, not matter what the resolution is going to turn out to be.
And even if we do know what has happened, maybe it turns out to be racially charged or not, I feel that the situation has reached the boiling point that is reached when racial issues arise.. No side will ever be happy, not matter what the resolution is going to turn out to be.
Zoe
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They just had his father do an incredibly awkward interview with a Fox affiliate earlier today still using the same argument (linked above you). It will probably take them a little while to come up with something else.
Zimmerman's father is now telling everyone that his whole family believes that's his son's voice.
Did I miss something? Who's recently been making excuses that Trayvon deserved to die? From what I can tell, the vast majority of people keeping up with this thread are on the "Holy shit, PD you really don't do your job right/Zimmerman is a piece of shit" side of the argument.
Did anybody say that a 17 year old boy deserved to have a bullet put in him? Calm dawn, it's a real tragedy but I think you're not following everything that's going on in the thread.
The Incarnation
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When did Spike Lee exactly make these comments, today?
There's no defense force hence the attention on Spike Lee.
MightyHealthy
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What the hell...ABC had verified the girlfriend call, and this guy is saying it did not happen.
What Spike did was stupid as hell, he should apologize personally and stay away from the media, don't need stupid shit he does to detract from the media attention on Trayvon and Zimmerman, not unlike this thread.
No, theres far worse in this thread. Posters saying its perfectly fine for policemen to correct witnesses rather than taking statements and corroborating the evidence for example.
No, theres far worse in this thread. Posters saying its perfectly fine for policemen to correct witnesses rather than taking statements and corroborating the evidence for example.
ThisWreckage
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Ah, the musings of the paranoid.
empty vessel
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For a lawyer, George Zimmerman's father is stupid as hell. These are all effectively statements of George Zimmerman that can be used against him at trial, should it come to that. I suspect Zimmerman's father, having been a judge, feels invincible. He may well be. But stupid he is either way.
Zoe
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I thought that was kind of a stupid question on her part... the volume of someone screaming for help is surely going to be different from heated threats. How far away was the caller?
Squirrel Killer
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Given that you quoted the law, perhaps you could bold the part that covers what Zimmerman did.
Sir,
Spike Lee apologized, today, at 2130 EST, for publicy giving out the address of an elderly couple to his 250,000+ followers.
This thread is still discussing what happened to Trayvon. The Spike Lee incident occurred within the past few hours. Nobody's dropped that to complain about how Mr. Lee did something foolish, it was just brought up because it's related to all this madness.
The Incarnation
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Look, when people continuously keep making rationalizations, and justifications for Zimmerman's actions like they have been doing regardless of what sort of news is coming out, there's only a few things you can be doing.
MightyHealthy
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George Zimmerman has lied to the police, to his father, to "acquaintances."
Hasn't told anyone that he feels any sort of remorse for killing an unarmed teenager.
*smh*
empty vessel
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I didn't say Zimmerman did anything. I said it was "quite possible" he did something. He may have "willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follow[ed] [or] harasse[d] another person." This is pointing out that the Sanford police have announced a readiness (eagerness?) to illegally arrest the media whilst not even charging Zimmerman with so much as stalking, despite the fact that his actions come much closer to it than the media. (Indeed, the media's actions come nowhere close. The Sanford PD will be violating the US constitution if they begin arresting journalists for attempting to interview people.)
I can only assume that people are keeping him away from the media due to how blown up this has become. Also, remorse is for people who feel bad or feel guilt about what they did.
Maybe he does feel remorseful, but I doubt the conservative media wants that message out there. I hope he feels personally guilty. I don't want somebody that's that much of a monster outside of a jail cell.
Squirrel Killer
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What source indicates Zimmerman "repeatedly follow[ed]" Martin?
In response to your edit,
Of course Sanford PD's standards are fundamentally fucked up. Sure Zimmerman's actions come much closer to than the media's actions to the violating the law, but my point is that neither's actions violate the law. The people calling for Zimmerman to be arrested on stalking charges many pages ago only serve to needlessly broaden the scope of a law that invites police to overstep their authority.
ThisWreckage
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I had to
I got a good laugh out of that.
empty vessel
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The 911 call. He followed him once. We know they met again. That's repeated.
I don't think anyone is supporting Zimmerman but it's clear that some people are following this story primarily to critique the reaction and to be contrarians. It's just peculiar to some of us. I'm following this story because it reminds me of experiences that I've had and people that I know have had and I want to see some justice. I just don't understand what is motivating some of you...
Wading through all the ridiculousness of that
Sorry bro, it's been confirmed that she was on the phone. How did he not get called on that? Also I really like how he is trying to pile on more and more 'just causes' for the shooting, with the gun scuffle and the verbal threat now.
travisbickle
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Zimmerman's Father said:
This is what you call the "black fear", and I know it's his son but who the hell would believe this bullshit unless you think all black people have the potential of killing people with their bare hands just for following them?
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