Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

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Angry Fork said:
If Trayvon was white I don't believe Zimmerman would've went after him. I definitely think it was a factor that led to his death, and the way the media is portraying all this makes it clear as day that there's still a huge race issue when it comes to stuff like this. It isn't fabricated there are race links unfortunately.
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Was referring to the "race police" that frequent this thread. We have a couple that pop in just to shoot that angle down, even though they are sick of the story. They fight for what's right!!!
 
Zimmermans Lawyer though, that guy has such an easy job. Seeing as how the police only collected the evidence of his statement, and corrected other witnesses, didn't take any injury photos, or drug test the guy, It does seem like a solid defense.
 
You people won't believe this. I had the TV on just as background noise but what caught my attention was a news story from the local Fox affiliate. They described someone as "a young black male age 16-18" that held up a pizza delivery driver in broad daylight. And there are pictures of the driver handing over the pizza just before they say the man showed a gun and demanded the drivers money, before running off.

In the photo on the screen you can see the suspect is wearing a hoodie.
Now to give you more info, when the police had arrived at the robbery scene and took footage from some security camera in a parking lot, they had a picture and got a basic description. On the screen , there is a picture of him getting handed the pizza right before (allegedly) robbing the guy. It's probably on FOX 10s website, but I don't bother posting pics here anymore since it doesn't accept tinypic. Now it gets more interesting, they report not long after the robbery, he was sitting in someone's driveway. (I'd guess resting.) A neighbor took notice and took pictures of this guy chilling there. He did just stayed on his property and took the photos over a fence. So the police have two sets of photos, one of the deliver, and one of the guy just sitting in a driveway not long after.

But they said the reason be would be caught was because he was wearing a hoodie on a hot day. Like somehow they implied this additional evidence of him sitting in the driveway, would be the Pièce de résistance to help the police in eventually and (presumably) later arresting him for the crime. Maybe they meant because it showed his face better ? But that was not made clear by them. There was a different implication.

An hour later, when the story comes on during the next segment, they started calling him the "skinny jeans bandit". Skinny jeans bandit, skinny jeans bandit. Like over and over again. It was some kind of weird programming. But then they still mentioned with a subtle emphasis HE WAS WEARING A HOODIE. The way they reported the story, it just felt like there was an obvious subtext with the shooting in Florida. It was strange. Like a subliminal message implying Trayvon was a criminal up to no good and Zimmerman was right in confronting him since he was wearing a hoodie.

I watch TV News occasionally but always with a critical eye. It's mostly brainwashing.
 
Foxy Fox 39 said:
Again. This is so much bigger than Treyvon now. Just look at how the right is in a frenzy (and the left).

I hope they go after the hackers. That's messed up.

edit: That's to say that it has ballooned into something crazy.
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If they went after the hackers that leaked all those celebrity nudes, I sure as hell hope they go after these assholes.
 
Oblivion said:
So...ever since Obama's offered his two cents about this issue, I've seen the righties claim things like Martin was suspended for 10 days (for being tardy), and that he had (an empty) bag of weed? And that he has some pictures of himself on facebook where he's flipping off the camera?

Okay. But even if all that's true, how is that supposed to prove that it was okay he got killed?
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Watching various people turn Trayvon Martin into a political tool over the past week has been disgusting. I have literally lost some faith in humanity seeing this story used over the past week.



Death Dealer said:
You people won't believe this. I had the TV on just as background noise but what caught my attention was a news story from the local Fox affiliate. They described someone as "a young black male age 16-18" that held up a pizza delivery driver in broad daylight. And there are pictures of the driver handing over the pizza just before they say the man showed a gun and demanded the drivers money, before running off.

In the photo on the screen you can see the suspect is wearing a hoodie.
Now to give you more info, when the police had arrived at the robbery scene and took footage from some security camera in a parking lot, they had a picture and got a basic description. On the screen , there is a picture of him getting handed the pizza right before (allegedly) robbing the guy. It's probably on FOX 10s website, but I don't bother posting pics here anymore since it doesn't accept tinypic. Now it gets more interesting, they report not long after the robbery, he was sitting in someone's driveway. (I'd guess resting.) A neighbor took notice and took pictures of this guy chilling there. He did just stayed on his property and took the photos over a fence. So the police have two sets of photos, one of the deliver, and one of the guy just sitting in a driveway not long after.

But they said the reason be would be caught was because he was wearing a hoodie on a hot day. Like somehow they implied this additional evidence of him sitting in the driveway, would be the Pièce de résistance to help the police in eventually and (presumably) later arresting him for the crime. Maybe they meant because it showed his face better ? But that was not made clear by them. There was a different implication.

An hour later, when the story comes on during the next segment, they started calling him the "skinny jeans bandit". Skinny jeans bandit, skinny jeans bandit. Like over and over again. It was some kind of weird programming. But then they still mentioned with a subtle emphasis HE WAS WEARING A HOODIE. The way they reported the story, it just felt like there was an obvious subtext with the shooting in Florida. It was strange. Like a subliminal message implying Trayvon was a criminal up to no good and Zimmerman was right in confronting him since he was wearing a hoodie.

I watch TV News occasionally but always with a critical eye. It's mostly brainwashing.
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and now someone has sugggested brain washing is afoot. Someone ring the bell. We've got a new claim to discuss.
 
LuCkymoON said:
As far as we know Martin's only motivation was to get home in time for the second half of the NBA all-star game. So it would absolutely make no sense for Trayvon to seek out a confrontation.
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Your first sentence is more than likely, he went to the store and he was on his way home.

The second sentence? It is not out the realm of possibility that he ran back into Zimmerman in the back walk-way that their was some sort of confrontation.

We know there was a confrontation, we don't know who started it. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman thinking that Zimmerman was trying to get him, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that Zimmerman tried to stop Martin prompting a confrontation.

People keep saying it makes no sense for Trayvon to attack Zimmerman, well it makes just makes even less sense that Zimmerman would just straight shoot Martin without something else happening.

The key is who started the "actual" attacks.

Zimmerman is at fault for following Martin, and he caused this situation to happen. My thing is that I'm not so sure they have a solid case to find him guilty.

It's sad, the police fucked up the night of the shooting. They could have gotten more, they should have held Zimmerman for more questioning that night.
 
BruiserBear said:
Watching various people turn Trayvon Martin into a political tool over the past week has been disgusting. I have literally lost some faith in humanity seeing this story used over the past week.





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I debated whether or not I should even bother responding to this, but here goes.

NervousXtian said:
Your first sentence is more than likely, he went to the store and he was on his way home.
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This isn't likely. This is a fact. He was walking home after leaving the store (and buying skittles for his younger brother) while talking to his friend/girlfriend at the same time.

NervousXtian said:
The second sentence? It is not out the realm of possibility that he ran back into Zimmerman in the back walk-way that their was some sort of confrontation.
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Zimmerman ran into him as he never stopped pursuing. Since Trayvon's girlfriend was documented as being the last person to talk to him alive, a great deal of emphasis is placed on what she said. According to her, Zimmerman caught up to Trayvon and Trayvon asked, "Why are you following me?" and Zimmerman replied, "What are you doing here?" and then a scuffle allegedly broke out.

NervousXtian said:
We know there was a confrontation, we don't know who started it. It's not out of the realm of possibility that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman thinking that Zimmerman was trying to get him, and it's not out of the realm of possibility that Zimmerman tried to stop Martin prompting a confrontation.
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While we don't precisely know what happened, we have enough background information on both of them to determine who was more likely to have initiated a confrontation. On one hand we have Trayvon. He had no history of violence or aggression. He was not carrying any sort of weapon and knew if was relatively defenseless. On the other hand, we have Zimmerman. He has a documented history of violence both against his ex, and a police officer. He also exhibited symptoms of paranoia based on the number of times that he's called 911. He also knew that he was armed, thus giving him a sense that he could definitely walk away from the situation alive. Knowing just these few things (and excluding his racial profiling past), any rational human would surmise that Zimmerman initiated the conflict.

NervousXtian said:
People keep saying it makes no sense for Trayvon to attack Zimmerman, well it makes just makes even less sense that Zimmerman would just straight shoot Martin without something else happening.
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No one has claimed that Zimmerman just walked up to Trayvon and shot him. It's most likely that he attempted to subdue Trayvon, but Trayvon fought back.

NervousXtian said:
The key is who started the "actual" attacks.
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Again, based on all that we know of both of them, there was no incentive for Trayvon to initiate a fight. He was heading back home and was being followed by a strange man. He already avoided Zimmerman once by walking fast/running away. Why would he actively seek out a strange man following him? He wouldn't. He was already going out of his way to avoid a conflict. The incentive for Zimmerman is clear. He would get to be the "hero" in this whole scenario if he managed to subdue Trayvon before the police arrived. This "hero" complex can be seen in his numerous calls to 911 as well as his attempt (and failure) to become a police officer.

NervousXtian said:
Zimmerman is at fault for following Martin, and he caused this situation to happen. My thing is that I'm not so sure they have a solid case to find him guilty.
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The detective on the night of the incident believed otherwise based on what he saw and what he heard from Zimmerman. I think his opinion weighs more than both yours and mine.

NervousXtian said:
It's sad, the police fucked up the night of the shooting. They could have gotten more, they should have held Zimmerman for more questioning that night.
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On this we agree.
 
BobLoblaw said:
Again, based on all that we know of both of them, there was no incentive for Trayvon to initiate a fight. He was heading back home and was being followed by a strange man. He already avoided Zimmerman once by walking fast/running away. Why would he actively seek out a strange man following him? He wouldn't. He was already going out of his way to avoid a conflict. The incentive for Zimmerman is clear. He would get to be the "hero" in this whole scenario if he managed to subdue Trayvon before the police arrived. This "hero" complex can be seen in his numerous calls to 911 as well as his attempt (and failure) to become a police officer.
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Huh? There was great incentive for Trayvon to start a fight, he was being followed by a guy he didn't know and after allegedly ditching him he bumps back into the guy in the back walkway. Not out of the realm of possibility that Martin stood up with violence at that point. Not saying that happened, but it's a very plausible event that could have occurred.

I'm not saying I support Zimmerman, I don't... dude fucked up and Martin is dead because of the actions he took that night. Yet that doesn't mean things didn't escalate to the point of a shooting based on complete non-action from Martin.

The worst part is that during trial, Zimmerman probably won't take the stand, and the only other person who knows what actually occurred that night is dead. Martin's girlfriend's accounts won't be as useful in court as they are to the media, she alleged that Martin was pushed, but she is basing that on the call dropping.. she didn't "see" that happen. Also, all the accounts of police misconduct, they are going to have a very poor case unless Zimmerman confesses to shooting Martin in cold blood.

The thing the messed up the most is not holding Zimmerman longer until they had a better feel of what took place.

This is a mess now, and it's gotten political, and it's pretty much a no-win situation to a horrible tragedy.
 
cousins said:
John Doe for three days, despite knowing his identity. You have to be kidding me.
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Not sure, i've read a couple articles saying that and read another that contradicted it. We do know however that when Trayvons mother filed a missing persons report, they had already identified the body.
 
NervousXtian said:
Huh? There was great incentive for Trayvon to start a fight, he was being followed by a guy he didn't know and after allegedly ditching him he bumps back into the guy in the back walkway. Not out of the realm of possibility that Martin stood up with violence at that point. Not saying that happened, but it's a very plausible event that could have occurred.
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Trayvon didn't "bump" into him. Zimmerman caught up with Trayvon. Why would Trayvon initiate a fight with Zimmerman and during the fight say, "You're going to die now" when there is absolutely NO history that he's ever even been in a fight before? I'm not definitively saying that Trayvon didn't initiate a conflict, but based on what we know, it would make no sense whatsoever. He'd already tried to avoid Zimmerman. Why would he suddenly decide to kill this strange man that he's never seen before just for following him?

I'm not saying I support Zimmerman, I don't... dude fucked up and Martin is dead because of the actions he took that night. Yet that doesn't mean things didn't escalate to the point of a shooting based on complete non-action from Martin.
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Again, no one's said there was complete inaction on Martin's part. I think the general consensus is that he was defending himself from a strange man that was following him. Every person alive would attempt to defend themselves in this scenario.

The worst part is that during trial, Zimmerman probably won't take the stand, and the only other person who knows what actually occurred that night is dead. Martin's girlfriend's accounts won't be as useful in court as they are to the media, she alleged that Martin was pushed, but she is basing that on the call dropping.. she didn't "see" that happen. Also, all the accounts of police misconduct, they are going to have a very poor case unless Zimmerman confesses to shooting Martin in cold blood.
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She also stated that she heard Trayvon say "Why are you following me?" and Zimmerman said, "What are you doing here?" According to Zimmerman, this never happened as Trayvon allegedly confronted him after he started heading back to his truck. As for police misconduct, that's a separate issue. If you honestly believe that the only way there'll be a conviction is based on some sort of confession, then that's your opinion. Based on what I see and know so far, there's more than enough to charge him with manslaughter and the original detective on the case agreed.
 
George Zimmerman’s brother speaks out on national television
Zimmerman, Jr., broke his silence on national television, Thursday night and he said there’s much more to the case than anyone knows.

“Nobody stood there with Skittles and an iced tea. You return with force when somebody assaults you,” Zimmer, Jr. said.

Zimmerman stands by his younger brother’s claim of self-defense in the February shooting death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old. George Zimmerman noticed Martin walking through a gated Sanford community and followed him.

“The fantasy or mythology that he chased a person is absolutely false,” Zimmer, Jr. said.

Zimmerman, Jr. told a national TV audience that his brother could have easily been killed by Martin, who apparently went for his gun.

“He stopped someone from disarming him and shooting him. He didn’t pull out a gun and shoot him,” Zimmerman, Jr. said.

He also claims Martin fought his brother and bashed his head into a sidewalk. In surveillance video from the Sanford Police Department, George Zimmerman doesn’t appear to have any obvious injuries.

“To me his nose looks swollen in that video. I’m his brother,” Zimmerman, Jr. said.

Since the shooting in Sanford, he said his brother has been hiding and is traumatized.

“He has very severe emotional injuries. He’s been diagnosed with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder,” Zimmerman, Jr. said.

The Zimmerman family has received death threats. Some people have mistaken Robert for George because the two look alike.

Zimmerman, Jr. also called his brother a neighbor everybody would want to have. He said the backlash that’s happened is a “carnival of hatred.”
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http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/george-zimmermans-brother-speaks-out-national-tele/nLgcc/
The 911 tapes already proves he was following him lol.

To continue to ignore that will not make it go away.
 
BobLoblaw said:
I debated whether or not I should even bother responding to this, but here goes.


This isn't likely. This is a fact. He was walking home after leaving the store (and buying skittles for his younger brother) while talking to his friend/girlfriend at the same time.


Zimmerman ran into him as he never stopped pursuing. Since Trayvon's girlfriend was documented as being the last person to talk to him alive, a great deal of emphasis is placed on what she said. According to her, Zimmerman caught up to Trayvon and Trayvon asked, "Why are you following me?" and Zimmerman replied, "What are you doing here?" and then a scuffle allegedly broke out.


While we don't precisely know what happened, we have enough background information on both of them to determine who was more likely to have initiated a confrontation. On one hand we have Trayvon. He had no history of violence or aggression. He was not carrying any sort of weapon and knew if was relatively defenseless. On the other hand, we have Zimmerman. He has a documented history of violence both against his ex, and a police officer. He also exhibited symptoms of paranoia based on the number of times that he's called 911. He also knew that he was armed, thus giving him a sense that he could definitely walk away from the situation alive. Knowing just these few things (and excluding his racial profiling past), any rational human would surmise that Zimmerman initiated the conflict.


No one has claimed that Zimmerman just walked up to Trayvon and shot him. It's most likely that he attempted to subdue Trayvon, but Trayvon fought back.


Again, based on all that we know of both of them, there was no incentive for Trayvon to initiate a fight. He was heading back home and was being followed by a strange man. He already avoided Zimmerman once by walking fast/running away. Why would he actively seek out a strange man following him? He wouldn't. He was already going out of his way to avoid a conflict. The incentive for Zimmerman is clear. He would get to be the "hero" in this whole scenario if he managed to subdue Trayvon before the police arrived. This "hero" complex can be seen in his numerous calls to 911 as well as his attempt (and failure) to become a police officer.


The detective on the night of the incident believed otherwise based on what he saw and what he heard from Zimmerman. I think his opinion weighs more than both yours and mine.


On this we agree.
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Bravo.
 
onemic said:
I don't know why they keep denying pretty damning evidence that says totally otherwise.
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Because lying and covering it up is the only way they could prevent the likely consequence of his actions. Aggravated manslaughter of a minor gets you 30 years.

The story isn't the confrontation. The story is the cover up attempt.
 
Loudninja said:
George Zimmerman’s brother speaks out on national television
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When you say chasing after and getting into an altercation, there’s a lot of ways that people get into altercations. I believe that if you wanted to reach over this table and assault me badly enough, you could be armed with Chapstick and a toothpick and still put me in fear, in reasonable fear, of my life. He didn’t get into an altercation, people don’t just get into altercations. There are aggressors.
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Oh, Zimmermans. So Chapstick and a toothpick are adequate to put somebody in reasonable fear of his life, but not following somebody with a firearm?

Aggressors there are, indeed. And let's hope a jury at least gets to determine who was the aggressor.

Zimmerman said if Martin was allegedly close to his home, and was being pursued, “I don’t know how he couldn’t make it home.”
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Something something stand your ground? (Black people need not apply.)

Also claiming self-defense, he said George “prevented his firearm from being taken from him and used against him, and that’s called saving your life.” It “would have been George dead had he not acted decisively and instantaneously,” he said.
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Unfortunately for George (and assuming this aspect of his story true), his options by this point might have been prison or death. Saving one's own life isn't sufficient in and of itself to avoid committing non-justifiable homicide. His fate may have been sealed when he made a decision to follow Trayvon while armed.
 
Every time someone tries to say "hey now, we don't know all the facts let's not get hasty lol come on" someone immediately puts them in check with facts that basically prove Zimmerman has no defense. And then they retreat and are like 'well okay look I'm not defending Zimmerman lol man this case huh, gotten really bad huh... *slowly backs out of thread*'

Come on. You're not winning trying to play devil's advocate for a guy that doesn't deserve it. Zimmerman fucked up in every sense of the word I don't understand this 'we don't know all the facts' shit. We know enough that Zimmerman started the confrontation, has a bad past, was told not to chase, the 9/11 calls, no injuries on him despite lying about it etc. and so on. Stop bullshitting. Trayvon DOESN'T HAVE TO suddenly surrender himself to some guy he doesn't know, some stranger with a gun. I don't understand you get the impression people are like 'well hey why didn't he just comply with the orders of Zimmerman like he should've'. So dumb.
 
Angry Fork said:
Every time someone tries to say "hey now, we don't know all the facts let's not get hasty lol come on" someone immediately puts them in check with facts that basically prove Zimmerman has no defense. And then they retreat and are like 'well okay look I'm not defending Zimmerman lol man this case huh, gotten really bad huh... *slowly backs out of thread*'

Come on. You're not winning trying to play devil's advocate for a guy that doesn't deserve it. Zimmerman fucked up in every sense of the word I don't understand this 'we don't know all the facts' shit. We know enough that Zimmerman started the confrontation, has a bad past, was told not to chase, the 9/11 calls, no injuries on him despite lying about it etc. and so on. Stop bullshitting. Trayvon DOESN'T HAVE TO suddenly surrender himself to some guy he doesn't know, some stranger with a gun. I don't understand you get the impression people are like 'well hey why didn't he just comply with the orders of Zimmerman like he should've'. So dumb.
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It's because they're trying to make it fit what they want to believe.
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...martin-grainy-proves-lawyer-article-1.1052713

A 13-year-old who is one of two key witnesses in the Trayvon Martin shooting felt “pressured” by cops to tailor what he saw, his mom told the Daily News Thursday.

The revelation comes as shooter George Zimmerman’s father went public with new claims, including that Trayvon told his son “you’re going to die tonight.”

Police in Sanford, Fla., have said that Austin Brown, who went out to walk his dog on Feb. 26 near where Trayvon was shot, saw Zimmerman lying in the grass crying for help just before the slaying.

But Austin’s mom, Cheryl Brown, told the News that when cops interviewed her son eight days after Trayvon’s death, he told them he saw only one person lying in the grass and he couldn’t tell who it was.

“He kept telling them he couldn't see anything because it was too dark,” she said. “He said he couldn't see the race or anything. He never saw a second person. ”

“Then they asked him if he saw what the man was wearing. They gave him a multiple choice question and gave him three colors. He said, ‘I think it was red.’”

Zimmerman, 28, was wearing a red and black jacket. Trayvon, 17, was wearing a grey hoodie.

“Knowing my son, I believe he felt pressured to give the color,” Brown said.

“He really couldn't see anything,” she said. “I think when interviewing a 13 year old you don't give them three options.”

The new account is another blow to the case that grows increasingly contradictory.

One person has told police he saw a man lying on the ground calling for help with an attacker on top of him - an account that backs Zimmerman’s version of what happened.

The witness, identified only as “John,” told Tampa Bay Fox affiliate WTVT-TV last week: “The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘help, help.’”

Others have said the cries for help sounded like they came from Trayvon.
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I'm not an investigator but I'm pretty sure leading questions are a bad way to find out the truth.
 
so, when ( if ever) will charges be filed? something with the police report ( and a bunch of other stuff)doesn't add up, doesn't that automatically make it suspicious?
 
Branduil said:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...martin-grainy-proves-lawyer-article-1.1052713

I'm not an investigator but I'm pretty sure leading questions are a bad way to find out the truth.
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If the above stories are accurate about the State attorney declining charges against Zimmerman on day one, then, eight days later, I certainly would expect the police to be shaping evidence to support that decision. Police are not neutral investigators (despite all the tv shows trying to brainwash you into believing they are). They are advocates for particular outcomes. It'd be great if policemen were scientists, but they're nowhere close.
 
Htown said:
But why?

Why the special interest in backing Zimmerman?

I don't get it.
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Contrarian arguments. They get you attention and you can try out those new fangled debate techniques you learned in highschool.

A lot of the people who have been backing zimmerman in this thread have just been contrarians who originally stated that they think zimmerman should go to jail.
 
Eric Walton said:
Conservative white people notice black people getting upset, and a defense force will be erected by whatever means necessary. "Grounds" for justification will be found, because if minorities ever have legitimate grievances paired with the ability to get attention (human interest story), then the status quo is threatened.

I've seen "sensible" people jump to defend Zimmerman because they don't want to be viewed as siding with the media/establishment. Anecdotal evidence, admittedly.
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This is a good answer to the question.
 
bob_arctor said:
Meh. She can do whatever the hell she wants, considering. More tacky is the hoodie abuse going on right now. Some of these stiff-shirted politicians really can't pull it off. It's like, yeah, we appreciate the sentiment but damn do you look so silly.

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The old man in the suit and hoodie is awesome. That's how you make a statement.
 
No matter what I do, I can't seem to find my reply here from a few days ago so maybe it never posted. Tried many different searches.

So, hopefully I can ask this again and apologies if this did already post.

But, my question was how can this Black Panther leader get away with publically putting a bounty on Zimmerman's head? Isn't this against the law? Can't he himself be arrested for this and if so, why hasn't he?
 
onemic said:
It just keeps getting worse.

I really need to take a break from this thread, but more and more shit like this keeps piling up.
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You should probably just accept right now that Zimmerman has already won because his family has connections.

That's how the world works.
 
Darkmakaimura said:
No matter what I do, I can't seem to find my reply here from a few days ago so maybe it never posted. Tried many different searches.

So, hopefully I can ask this again and apologies if this did already post.

But, my question was how can this Black Panther leader get away with publically putting a bounty on Zimmerman's head? Isn't this against the law? Can't he himself be arrested for this and if so, why hasn't he?
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I think it's because it was just to give him a citizens arrest, which is dumb in and of itself considering the police already know where he's at. The NBP is just using the event as publicity for themselves and oddly it worked as CNN and other news groups were fixated on their stupid little crusade for a while.


jaxword said:
You should probably just accept right now that Zimmerman has already won because his family has connections.

That's how the world works.
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I know it's a big possibility that he'll just get off, but I can't in my right mind just give up on the fact that justice(lol) needs to be served and zimmerman should be arrested and tried at the very least. I think I'll just start watching from the sidelines until something substantial happens though.
 
onemic said:
I know it's a big possibility that he'll just get off, but I can't in my right mind just give up on the fact that justice(lol) needs to be served and zimmerman should be arrested and tried at the very least. I think I'll just start watching from the sidelines until something substantial happens though.
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Probably not a bad idea for sanity's sake. But when you look at what Zimmerman and family have said happened (with each new iteration of their story) and when you look at what we've seen and know to be true, the two don't match up. If Zimmerman were telling the truth, every single thing would match up down to the last detail, but they don't. That gap in what's been said and what we know means there will be charges filed and there will be a trial. All of the things that we know and don't know about (autopsy, ballistics tests, photos taken after his arrest, etc) will be laid out and hopefully a jury of his peers makes the right decision. Of course, this is the same state that acquit Casey Anthony...
 
Zimmerman isn't getting off. There would be riots. It's way too big and obvious now they can't sweep all this shit under the rug.

I could see him avoiding some kind of heavy murder conviction though. They'll sentence him something just big enough not to cause a row with the people, but not enough to really call it justice.
 
George Zimmerman lost job as party security guard for being too aggressive, ex-co-worker says

George Zimmerman was fired from his job as an under-the-table security guard for “being too aggressive,” a former co-worker told the Daily News.

Zimmerman, at the center of a firestorm for shooting an unarmed black teenager a month ago, worked for two different agencies providing security to illegal house parties between 2001 and 2005, the former co-worker said.

“Usually he was just a cool guy. He liked to drink and hang with the women like the rest of us,” he said. “But it was like Jekyll and Hyde. When the dude snapped, he snapped.”

The source said Zimmerman, who made between $50 and $100 a night, was let go in 2005.

“He had a temper and he became a liability,” the man said. “One time this woman was acting a little out of control. She was drunk. George lost his cool and totally overreacted,” he said. “It was weird, because he was such a cool guy, but he got all nuts. He picked her up and threw her. It was pure rage. She twisted her ankle. Everyone was flipping out.”

The year 2005 was a bad one for Zimmerman: he was arrested for fighting with a cop trying to arrest his friend for underage drinking, and he and his ex-fiancée took out protective orders against each other.

The former co-worker, who is no longer in touch with Zimmerman, said he was shocked to hear what happened Feb. 26 in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.

“He definitely loved being in charge. He loved the power. Still, I could never see him killing someone. Never,” he said.
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